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01 Aug 2009 21:15 #16304 by julievelor
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Not a story idea as such, but a minor stumbling block in one I'm working on.

What would be a generic term for supergirls or superwomen in French, Italian, Russian, and Spanish?

"supergirl" works fine for English, "ubermadchen" (with the proper umlauts) for German. Perhaps "superfemme" for French, but I'm drawing a blank on the other major European languages.

Any ideas or suggestions?

And if you have suggestions for Basque or Greek, I won't turn them down ;-)

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01 Aug 2009 22:43 #16305 by argonaut
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My English-French dictionary translates "superman" as surhomme. Sur is a preposition meaning "above" or "over," so surhomme might be more literally translated as "over-man." I'm guessing that the word is used in speaking of Nietzsche's philosophy, as a close translation of the German word Ubermensch. The word superhomme might conjure up an incongrous image of Nietzsche's "superman" flying around in tights and a cape.

My guess is that Superman is so well known, by that name, all over the world that you could translate "supergirl" into any European language by prefixing "super" to the word for "girl" or "woman." In an upcoming chapter of "The Supergirl of Smallville," a Russian submarine captain will refer to our heroine as "Superdevotchka."

Still, the question remains: If the comic-book character hadn't provided such a handy prefix, how might you convey the idea of a superhumanly powerful woman in other languages? It would be interesting to hear from native speakers on this.

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02 Aug 2009 04:09 #16306 by szasstam
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super ragazza for the italians

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02 Aug 2009 09:26 #16308 by Woodclaw
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Well, since this is my field I'm giving a littel contribution. The suffix "super-" came from the latin "Super", which has a double meaning: it can be used as a locative or as a superlative.

- As a locative the worls means "above" or "over"

- Otherwise the world is a superlative

These meanings haven't passed in all the present languages, for example in spanish the locative value is almost completly disappeared replaced by the word "sobra", which came from the same root.

Moreover in certain languages (italian for example) the translation is considered not always necessary.

Anyway the most likely translation of Supergirl are:

- French: Superfemme (actually this is the translation of Superwoman, but the French translation for "Girl" are quite awkward)
- Spanish: Superchica
- Italian: Super-ragazza (otherwise is also possible to keep it as it is, since in Italy many superheroes' names, including Superman and Supergirl, remain untranslated)
- German: Übermädchen (a fine translation)
- Russian: превосхо́дный-де́вушка (a very approximative translation, I haven't practiced my russian since I left my college course 6 years ago, keep in mind that in Russia, Superman is called Супермен, which is just the transliteration of his name in Cyrillic)

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02 Aug 2009 12:59 #16312 by argonaut
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Julie:

If you're creating a Soviet superwoman for an alternate-history story, here's a possibility:

"Stalin," the name adopted by the Russion dictator, means "steel." In Russian, "a" is added to a surname when it refers to a woman. (In Tolstoy's novel, Anna Karenina is married to a man named Karenin.) So "Stalina" might be an appropriate name for a Soviet "woman of steel."

I've only taken one year of Russian, so if my suggestion doesn't work for any reason, a better-informed member might set me straight.

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03 Aug 2009 23:34 #16324 by eavatar
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in portuguese a supergirl would be called Super-moça and a superwoman would be called Super-mulher. In spanish would be Superchica and Supermujer

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