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06 Aug 2021 19:24 #71993 by Sarge395
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Gal Friday.  Excellent older sci fi.  I remember reading it in Junior High and the librarian questioning the cover and that it was not appropriate.  

Cover art for the novel of the same name by Robert Heinlein

 

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06 Aug 2021 20:50 #71998 by Woodclaw
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One borg and one Cylon.
 

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06 Aug 2021 21:00 #71999 by shadar
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Gal Friday.  Excellent older sci fi.  I remember reading it in Junior High and the librarian questioning the cover and that it was not appropriate.  

Cover art for the novel of the same name by Robert Heinlein

 
This was one of my favorite old SF books as well. And that bit of cover art captured me completely. An enhanced woman, clearly superhuman in some ways, raised to be a tool and a weapon, but in the end, becoming so very human as well. 

A very pivotal book for me... other people may not agree, but I think it was Heinlen's best. And this from someone who also loves Starship Troopers. 

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06 Aug 2021 21:30 #72000 by anonxyzus
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I also read Gal Friday in high school and liked it very much.

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FYI, I'm married to a retired librarian. Questioning covers or anything else about content is not something they do. If it's in the library, then it was acquired by a librarian. If the librarian didn't like it, it should never have been added to the collection in the first place. [Soapbox off]

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07 Aug 2021 15:07 #72011 by Sarge395
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It wasn't a library book. I bought all my books from the local mall book store. Instead of study hall I went to the library to read because the seats were more comfortable. This particular librarian was a prude but tolerated me because I kept my mouth shut and just read the whole hour.

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07 Aug 2021 18:16 #72013 by slim36
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Our new android helper does an amazing job at auto recycling.   Tasks like engine removal are almost effortless.  The operator can be a sexy female transformed into a steel ripping machine with a little time at the controls. 

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07 Aug 2021 21:31 #72019 by anonxyzus
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I want one.

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07 Aug 2021 23:16 #72020 by slim36
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Human vs Cylon 

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07 Aug 2021 23:52 #72022 by shadar
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Human vs Cylon 
And the hottest is the Cylon. 

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08 Aug 2021 15:28 #72031 by kikass2014
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Tricia Helfer is gorgeous 

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  Along with her friend Katee Sackhoff :)

Both of them are also quite funny (especially Katee).

There's a couple of vids of them together on her youtube channel of them goofing around :D  

Also they appear in a calender, which they started and produce, once per year for charity.

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Yes, they are both aware of what they are doing and why they are doing it - sex sells, and in this case helps raise money for charity :)  

Great women both of them imo :)

Peace.

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08 Aug 2021 19:44 #72035 by jay_manus
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Our new android helper does an amazing job at auto recycling.   Tasks like engine removal are almost effortless.  The operator can be a sexy female transformed into a steel ripping machine with a little time at the controls. 


 
I've had a story line in the back of my head for years about a female "construction bot" whose specialty is demolition.  Actually it's just the setting - I don't really have a story line :-).  Anyone who wants the idea, it's yours, free, no strings or suspension bridge cables attached.

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09 Aug 2021 05:59 #72037 by shadar
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Nice thing about superpowered Androids-- you can easily make duplicates. If one is great, then two is better. 

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09 Aug 2021 15:36 - 23 May 2022 11:44 #72040 by slim36
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A powerful android (Zoie Palmer) is awakened in Dark Matter

Compilation of android scenes

 
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09 Aug 2021 22:29 #72041 by Raa
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Always enjoyed Dark MAtter. To bad it got canceled.

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10 Aug 2021 03:33 #72048 by willow
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I enjoyed Dark Matter a lot but always felt the show's universe was ill defined and fell back on overused tropes (i.e. evil Space Megacorporations). People appeared in places immediately because they needed to be there. A space empire went from being feared across the galaxy for their warriors and fleets to being on the verge of collapse in the span of a single episode.

Same thing that always bugged me about the show Revolution. Great concept but written by idiots. For example, there is no electricity and few people seem to have horses but they can easily cross dozens (maybe hundreds) of miles in an afternoon on foot because the plot requires them to be somewhere before their friend is killed by the show's villain that same day. Sometimes I don't think people realize just how big the United States actually is, especially without the luxury of modern transportation.

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11 Aug 2021 10:49 #72059 by slim36
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A lesser known Terminator T-1001 Shirley Manson from Sarah Connor Chronicles
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11 Aug 2021 10:58 #72060 by slim36
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Cameron and Rosie from Sarah Connor Chronicles

 
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11 Aug 2021 12:14 - 12 Aug 2021 23:07 #72064 by slim36
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A Russian series available on Netflix



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_than_UsThe story takes place in 2029, where androids serve humans in various positions, even replacing them in many menial jobs. China's one-child policy has led to a critical shortage of marriageable women, so an engineer designs an advanced robot named Arisa. She is programmed to be a wife to a man and mother to adopted children, and she does not abide by Isaac Asimov 's Three Laws of Robotics . She is designed to protect her family, which includes herself. However, her creator dies and Arisa is sold to the Russian robotics firm CRONOS. [7] Arisa accidentally kills a man at CRONOS who tried to use her as a sex robot, and she then flees. She encounters little Sonia and automatically bonds with her and makes herself the child's guardian.The series follows three storylines: that of Arisa and the family she adopts; the family's son Egor Safronov and his girlfriend Zhanna as part of the anti-droid militant group called the "Liquidators"; and the secrets of Viktor Toropov, the head of CRONOS, as he tries to hide the fact that they cannot make another Arisa. [8]

A second season 
variety.com/2020/streaming/asia/netflix-...d-season-1234833683/
 
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21 May 2022 22:17 #74319 by AUphoric
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I think in the rest of my lifetime, a lot of money will go into developing conversational AI for all kinds of business situations.

There will be better and better looking simulated people to talk with onscreen, for web, tablet, and smartphone based ecommerce and virtual/augmented reality.

But, with one exception, there won't be any interest in trying to make humanoid robots/androids.

An obviously mechanical arm, like in a car factory, could be put on a wheeled base. With a conversational AI that has a task based vocabulary. This could do a lot of basic tasks in a hospital, shop, office. "Robot, please pick up five boxes of standard inventory from aisle 15 in the warehouse, drop them off at bay 8 of the the loading dock, then bring me a chicken salad sandwich, a diet soda, and the latest TPS report. I'll be at my desk."

The one exception will be sexbots as a form of porn. The synthetic body made as vivid as possible for erotic scenarios, with the latest versions of heating filaments and hydraulics, under latex and cloth. The conversational AI just good enough to act out some very basic scenarios chosen by the user, to Penthouse Letters level of realism. With downloadable content to buy additional scenarios. And a very enthusiastic fan community sharing their online mods and scripts.

For science fiction, Star Trek's holographic doctor makes sense to me. All the r&d work to make Data walk around doesn't make sense to me. If you can eventually add a mobile holographic emitter to a tricorder, you've got Selma from Time Trax. Why mess around with positronic data nets inside a bipedal body?

For superwomen stories, personally I have no interest at all in artificial people. No offense, but the female superbot part of the AU is one of the few total misses for me. I think of that as not part of the canon, but a what-if variation that doesn't belong in what I like about the setting and stories.

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22 May 2022 02:21 #74321 by shadar
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I think in the rest of my lifetime, a lot of money will go into developing conversational AI for all kinds of business situations.

There will be better and better looking simulated people to talk with onscreen, for web, tablet, and smartphone based ecommerce and virtual/augmented reality.

But, with one exception, there won't be any interest in trying to make humanoid robots/androids.

An obviously mechanical arm, like in a car factory, could be put on a wheeled base. With a conversational AI that has a task based vocabulary. This could do a lot of basic tasks in a hospital, shop, office. "Robot, please pick up five boxes of standard inventory from aisle 15 in the warehouse, drop them off at bay 8 of the the loading dock, then bring me a chicken salad sandwich, a diet soda, and the latest TPS report. I'll be at my desk."

The one exception will be sexbots as a form of porn. The synthetic body made as vivid as possible for erotic scenarios, with the latest versions of heating filaments and hydraulics, under latex and cloth. The conversational AI just good enough to act out some very basic scenarios chosen by the user, to Penthouse Letters level of realism. With downloadable content to buy additional scenarios. And a very enthusiastic fan community sharing their online mods and scripts.

For science fiction, Star Trek's holographic doctor makes sense to me. All the r&d work to make Data walk around doesn't make sense to me. If you can eventually add a mobile holographic emitter to a tricorder, you've got Selma from Time Trax. Why mess around with positronic data nets inside a bipedal body?

For superwomen stories, personally I have no interest at all in artificial people. No offense, but the female superbot part of the AU is one of the few total misses for me. I think of that as not part of the canon, but a what-if variation that doesn't belong in what I like about the setting and stories.
When life-like and seemingly sentient androids become available, I'm assuming a major market will be porn. 

But there is one big difference (beyond the obvious): Most people are very private about their porn. Privacy is easy when we're talking a video feed on a computer and headphones. But how does privacy work when you've got a life-sized sexbot? It doesn't disappear when you turn it off. Or maybe you actually want your very hot girlfriend to go places with you and travel around. Or maybe just jack it into the wall charger until you come home. 

Surely people will fall in love with their androids. If dogs can be your best friend, what could a sentient android become?  A spouse?
In one unpublished story, I introduced the concept of an Asimov Wedding, where a human and an android can marry. It got complicated, but it was fun to think about. Still have loose ends, but I should finish it.

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22 May 2022 05:37 #74324 by MackTheMouse2
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See the film "Cherry 2000" for falling in love with an android... sadly, no superheroics.

See the film "Deadly Friend" for turning a girl into an android... with super-strength. Very disturbingly gory superstrength.

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22 May 2022 21:33 #74333 by AUphoric
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I'm sure at the start, people would just partition a small corner with its own lock, where the android can stand, get turned off, and get locked away from prying eyes or theives when not in use.
But over time, the manufacturers would want to add value with software upgrades: Domestic Chores, Dog Walking, Gardening, Household Guard Patrol. Mail Sorting (separately sold upgrade for Bill Paying and Customer Service Hold Waiting). Anything to have them running more of the day, involved more in the user's life. From a business checklist, "enhanced functionality increases user engagement and brand preference loyalty."
Until one day, the auto-updates bring the new Gossip module. While their owners are out, sexbots have conversations about them with their fellow sexbots. Could be an entertaining story, but I don't think I'll want to flesh it out myself. So to speak.

"the concept of an Asimov Wedding"
Go for it, I think that could be a lot of fun! I would guess separate from the AU, since a Supremis would immediately see by tachyon vision that the android is a machine, not a human.

"Senator, I have always maintained that marriage is an institution of either one man and one woman, or one human being and no more than one sexbot! You can see the depraved road that my colleagues across the aisle want to drag this country down, and I for one will not stand for it! Order! The gallery will be quiet, or I will clear this room for the remainder of these hearings!"
 

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22 May 2022 22:34 #74338 by shadar
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I'm sure at the start, people would just partition a small corner with its own lock, where the android can stand, get turned off, and get locked away from prying eyes or theives when not in use.
But over time, the manufacturers would want to add value with software upgrades: Domestic Chores, Dog Walking, Gardening, Household Guard Patrol. Mail Sorting (separately sold upgrade for Bill Paying and Customer Service Hold Waiting). Anything to have them running more of the day, involved more in the user's life. From a business checklist, "enhanced functionality increases user engagement and brand preference loyalty."
Until one day, the auto-updates bring the new Gossip module. While their owners are out, sexbots have conversations about them with their fellow sexbots. Could be an entertaining story, but I don't think I'll want to flesh it out myself. So to speak.

"the concept of an Asimov Wedding"
Go for it, I think that could be a lot of fun! I would guess separate from the AU, since a Supremis would immediately see by tachyon vision that the android is a machine, not a human.

"Senator, I have always maintained that marriage is an institution of either one man and one woman, or one human being and no more than one sexbot! You can see the depraved road that my colleagues across the aisle want to drag this country down, and I for one will not stand for it! Order! The gallery will be quiet, or I will clear this room for the remainder of these hearings!"

 
Actually, it's in a full-blown AU story about a future billionaire playboy type who bought a super-advanced sexbot to travel with him on his private space yacht, except she turns out (unknown to him) to be a recycled combat android that the hyper-advanced Vendorians made centuries earlier when they were fighting the Arion Empire. Her initial programming was to seduce her way into the core Arion military command structure (after having been supposedly captured by the Arions) and decapitate the leadership. Who tend to turn captured Velorians into sex slaves. She has a masking field that makes her look Velorian inside and out, even to a Velorian or Arion's Tachyon vision, despite being a bot. Nobody but the Vendorians ever figured out how to do that, and that technology ended with their defeat in the war. She was the last built of her kind.

The problem is that the Vendorians lost the war before she could be deployed, so she wound up on the same scrap heap that many weapons land on after a lost war. 

Centuries later, she is found by a robotics/android company and spiffed up and partially reprogrammed and secretly put to use to satisfy its Elon Musk-like founder's desire to kill Arions. To avoid drawing attention his way, he sells her to this billionaire playboy type who travels all around on his own yacht to pleasure worlds and the such. Nobody thinks much of him or takes him seriously given he just goes from sex club to sex club, so they plant this recycled combat bot with him so she can sniff out Arions and kill them without his even knowing what she's up to. He knows she's vastly smarter and more 'human' than any bot he's seen before, but he thinks that's just because she's an experimental high-end model with advanced AI. And in the end, he falls totally in love with her and Asimov marries her. 

Problem is, most of the time she doesn't know what she is either. Normally she just thinks she's a high-end sexbot who was made to crudely imitate a Velorian and who is married. She generally behaves accordingly. But when she gets close enough to a Prime, her stealth programming kicks in.

All unknown to her clueless Asimov husband, who just thinks she 'malfunctions' periodically and disappears for a bit. He can handle the glitches until he has a chance to get her checked out and fixed back at the factory, but that all changes when she astonishes and horrifies him by brutally killing a mighty Prime during sex in a way even a mighty Protector couldn't do. Which says her power levels are off the charts. 

Now he has a big problem, given she denies doing the very thing he saw her do. And all bots are incapable of deception. Supposedly. And given they are married, she's no longer his property but considered a sentient being by law and his lawful wife, and since nobody can prove otherwise, things get complicated. 

Anyway, there are other subplots and characters, but this is where it starts.

It's one of several large projects that I want to finish before I post anything, in the hope that I'll actually finish it. This one's been underway for several years and is planned to be novel length. It's already novella length.  Might get it done in 2022, but this is why I have a special interest in future android and human interactions.

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22 May 2022 22:51 #74339 by AUphoric
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"She has a masking field that makes her look Velorian inside and out, even to a Velorian or Arion's Tachyon vision, despite being a bot. Nobody but the Vendorians ever figured out how to do that, and that technology ended with their defeat in the war."

See, this is the kind of problem-solving that keeps me coming back to the AU!

The premise sounds like a lot of fun. Despite my initial lack of enthusiasm for robot stories, if you do finish and post, I'll be next in line to read it! My attitudes could well get reprogrammed by the end of the story...

"And all bots are incapable of deception. Supposedly."

Who does that remind me of? Oh yeah...
"The HAL 9000 has a perfect operational record. I'm sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that. This conversation can no longer serve a purpose..."


 

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23 May 2022 12:30 #74343 by slim36
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A long list of female robots en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_gynoids

Wasn't aware of Deadly Friend.  Am not a real fan of androids that just like killing.  Several deal with robots rebelling against humans when they become self aware.  That could be a big issue in the future as services like alexa, siri or g**gle now getting embedded in robots, constantly sharing data with servers to fulfill requests for ordering food or product.   Humans might like that these digital companions learn to know their preferences and become more accurate in predicting what will be requested.    This could be used to make ordering more efficient by better inventory.    As more and more activity occurs over the internet.  When would people become replaceable by an AI bot that can accurately produce all the system inputs and responses produced by a selected person.  I think thats the premise of a Turing test.
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