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A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
12 Aug 2016 13:25 - 17 Aug 2016 10:30 #49557
by five_red
A big song and dance (about nothing..?) was created by five_red
[ I thought I'd post this in a separate thread, so not to pollute someone else's thread with any possible feedback. ]
Personally I'm not a big fan of people on forums who exclaim "...because of X I'm never watching this show ever again! That's it. It's dead to me!" (Strangely, said people hardly ever stop commenting about new episodes!) But, with grave regret, I suspect I'm going to have to write one of those forum posts myself, because recent news and rumours about the Supergirl show has made me think twice about my commitment to the series.
I'm no longer certain who the intended audience is for "Supergirl", but I've become increasingly concerned that said audience probably doesn't include the likes of me.
There was much to commend about season one: the show has an absolutely first rate cast, and the special effects (although not perfect) did their job despite what must have been some major challenges. But, as many have pointed out on numerous forums (including this one), the thing that let the season down time-and-time-again was some seriously choppy writing. What I was hoping for -- nay, fully expecting -- from season two was that the writers would knuckle down and give us some bloody good plots. Sadly, as news has filtered in about the second season, they seem to be taking the route of gimmick laden episodes designed to get cheap ratings spikes -- the televisual equivalent of click bait, one might call it.
News of the musical episodes and four part crossover was what finally did it for me.
Now, I'm not against musical episodes per se, but I do think that before a show does self-referential episodes that spoof or otherwise subvert their usual form (novelty episodes, in other words!), they need to build a backlog of solid storytelling and a lot of trust from the audience first. This is what I believe happened with Buffy when it did a musical show, and to some extent Doctor Who when it did the Love & Monsters comedy episode. Audiences didn't mind both shows having fun at they own expense for one episode, because both shows had earned the right to do something off-the-wall and out-of-left-field.
I'm not sure Supergirl, with its hit-n-miss first season, has really banked enough trust with the audience to afford it the luxury of a novelty episode. (Maybe The Flash has, but I'm pretty certain Supergirl hasn't.)
When a successful show with a track record of delivering good episodes does a novelty episode, it is seen as stretching the show into new territory, trying new things, mixing up the formula. When a struggling show does a novelty episode, it looks like they're not taking themselves seriously.
And if Supergirl isn't taking itself seriously, why should I..?
Sure, almost all the cast are good singers, but so what? As I said to Fats when I found out about the musical episodes: John Barrowman used to work in kids tv, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do Arrow with sock puppets..!!!
The problem is I only have so much time I can devote to watching tv drama per week, and there's been an explosion of great shows of late thanks to money from cable channels and services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. I'm already watching The Americans, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, Deutschland 83, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Homeland, Humans, The Musketeers, etc... plus various one-off series (eg. the BBC's The Secret Agent)... and I have shows backing up that I'd like to watch (Mr. Robot, Outcast, Stranger Things...)
Supergirl is one of my favourite comicbook characters, and all-time favourite superheroine, but even so... there comes a point when you need to ask yourself: "am I really the audience for this show?" With Supergirl what I wanted was something that was fun and lighthearted, but with engaging plots and characters. It looks, however, like the show might be going down a more gimmick-of-the-week driven route, with Superman, multiple crossover episodes, musicals... The solid, consistent, well-thought-out storylines I was hoping for from the writers in season two look an ever more dim possibility with each new announcement. Now might be a good point to bail out.
It's a gamble: perhaps season two will be totally amazing, but right now I think the show seems an uncomfortable fit for me. I will, however, continue to post announcements and new episode threads on this forum, as part of my duties as a mod. And I'll continue to discuss the show, but obviously not with the authority of actually having seen any of the new episodes. Perhaps I can we won around in the weeks leading up to the first episode, but I hold out little hope.
Oh well.
R5
Personally I'm not a big fan of people on forums who exclaim "...because of X I'm never watching this show ever again! That's it. It's dead to me!" (Strangely, said people hardly ever stop commenting about new episodes!) But, with grave regret, I suspect I'm going to have to write one of those forum posts myself, because recent news and rumours about the Supergirl show has made me think twice about my commitment to the series.
I'm no longer certain who the intended audience is for "Supergirl", but I've become increasingly concerned that said audience probably doesn't include the likes of me.
There was much to commend about season one: the show has an absolutely first rate cast, and the special effects (although not perfect) did their job despite what must have been some major challenges. But, as many have pointed out on numerous forums (including this one), the thing that let the season down time-and-time-again was some seriously choppy writing. What I was hoping for -- nay, fully expecting -- from season two was that the writers would knuckle down and give us some bloody good plots. Sadly, as news has filtered in about the second season, they seem to be taking the route of gimmick laden episodes designed to get cheap ratings spikes -- the televisual equivalent of click bait, one might call it.
News of the musical episodes and four part crossover was what finally did it for me.
Now, I'm not against musical episodes per se, but I do think that before a show does self-referential episodes that spoof or otherwise subvert their usual form (novelty episodes, in other words!), they need to build a backlog of solid storytelling and a lot of trust from the audience first. This is what I believe happened with Buffy when it did a musical show, and to some extent Doctor Who when it did the Love & Monsters comedy episode. Audiences didn't mind both shows having fun at they own expense for one episode, because both shows had earned the right to do something off-the-wall and out-of-left-field.
I'm not sure Supergirl, with its hit-n-miss first season, has really banked enough trust with the audience to afford it the luxury of a novelty episode. (Maybe The Flash has, but I'm pretty certain Supergirl hasn't.)
When a successful show with a track record of delivering good episodes does a novelty episode, it is seen as stretching the show into new territory, trying new things, mixing up the formula. When a struggling show does a novelty episode, it looks like they're not taking themselves seriously.
And if Supergirl isn't taking itself seriously, why should I..?
Sure, almost all the cast are good singers, but so what? As I said to Fats when I found out about the musical episodes: John Barrowman used to work in kids tv, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do Arrow with sock puppets..!!!
The problem is I only have so much time I can devote to watching tv drama per week, and there's been an explosion of great shows of late thanks to money from cable channels and services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. I'm already watching The Americans, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, Deutschland 83, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Homeland, Humans, The Musketeers, etc... plus various one-off series (eg. the BBC's The Secret Agent)... and I have shows backing up that I'd like to watch (Mr. Robot, Outcast, Stranger Things...)
Supergirl is one of my favourite comicbook characters, and all-time favourite superheroine, but even so... there comes a point when you need to ask yourself: "am I really the audience for this show?" With Supergirl what I wanted was something that was fun and lighthearted, but with engaging plots and characters. It looks, however, like the show might be going down a more gimmick-of-the-week driven route, with Superman, multiple crossover episodes, musicals... The solid, consistent, well-thought-out storylines I was hoping for from the writers in season two look an ever more dim possibility with each new announcement. Now might be a good point to bail out.
It's a gamble: perhaps season two will be totally amazing, but right now I think the show seems an uncomfortable fit for me. I will, however, continue to post announcements and new episode threads on this forum, as part of my duties as a mod. And I'll continue to discuss the show, but obviously not with the authority of actually having seen any of the new episodes. Perhaps I can we won around in the weeks leading up to the first episode, but I hold out little hope.
Oh well.
R5
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12 Aug 2016 14:20 #49561
by TwiceOnThursdays
As someone who just got around to Mr. Robot, it's great. Made me buy Season 2 (1 is streaming free on Amazon Prime). Stranger Things is up next I think. Need to finish it before Luke Cage in September. (I have so many things I've not gotten to yet it's not funny.)
I will say, this entire post is well though out. OTH, it also is filled with a lot of what I call "borrowing trouble". That is making assumptions, and then positing from those. Now, I think I AGREE with most of what you said, but they're still guesswork analysis. One life lesson I learned is "don't borrow trouble" -- that is don't get too invested in things that haven't happened yet. Works better on a altercation with a person -- we often ascribe motives to people that just aren't there and get all worked up about it instead of just talking it out. The resolution is harder as you're extra upset over things that were never meant (etc).
You do this a bit here, adding in good analysis, but still, not having seen the real result, we have no idea what is actually happening.
You do bring it around in the end -- the "wait and see". I'm a bit concerned myself, but figure that my current plan is fairly simple:
- i'm not stressing about it.
- I won't pay up front for Supergirl like I did last year.
- if I can't stream it (free) to my TV, my plan is to wait until the season block hits Netflix 8 days after the finale.
- IF I find that people are raving about the show or it's at lest better than S1, I'll purchase a streaming rights to the show from Amazon/Apple and start to watch it. If I find it's "not good", I can just cancel and not be out much.
If I wait until it hits Netflix, I can watch at my own pace, and give up/binge as I see fit. It'll also take up less of my time, because I won't feel motivated to squeeze in 45 minutes of TV viewing (among all the other shows) and can instead modulate to when I want (so maybe I'd write more...). But it does make me really appreciate the British/Netflix/other short seasons. 6-12 REALLY strong episodes are better than 24 where 10 are good. I might not watch the 10 then!
Re: Limitless (Tv not movie, movie is better/different) which I finally watched on Netflix. I did like the show, but it had several blah episodes mixed in with some where everything seemed to work really well and I thought the episode was great. So I took to just reading the plot of the episode and skipped a few. If the opening "what happened" made the skipped episodes seem great, I'd go watch them. Sometimes I watched 10m and skipped. Probably watched < 60% of the episodes. Probably missed out on some good TV, but also, I'd not have finished otherwise. It didn't help that the show was ... almost as bad as Supergirl with the character. "I am super-smart and have a perfect memory, and can do impossible things. Oh, this doesn't work." (complex device made from markers and a colander, etc) Fumbles around a bit. "Oh, I forgot to plug it in!" From a character who is billed as "can remember everything". I mean I GET forgetting (human) but he'd find it by flashing for a second and then plugging it in not fumbling around and discovering it. (re: Supergirl and lift a super heavy key, fly a space station to space, but has trouble lifting one cable car.)
But then, that's why I like binging, sometimes I just hop ahead. I can always go back.
I'll probably do this with ALL the CW shows. Flash/Supergirl/Legends are up in the air though. Flash/LoT are fun, and might make the cut so I have something to kill some time with during the year. Supergirl I'm going to let the people here convince me one way or the other. (I'm hoping it's "good enough" to convince me to buy, so they get a S3 to maybe pull things around -- though I can't think of show where it takes three seasons to get good.
Replied by TwiceOnThursdays on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
five_red wrote:
The problem is I only have so much time I can devote to watching tv drama per week, and there's been an explosion of great shows of late thanks to money from cable channels and services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. I'm already watching The Americans, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, Deutschland 83, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Homeland, Humans, The Musketeers, etc... plus various one-off series (eg. the BBC's The Secret Agent)... and I have shows backing up that I'd like to watch (Mr. Robot, Outcast, Stranger Things...)
Supergirl is one of my favourite comicbook characters, and all-time favourite superheroine, but even so... there comes a point when you need to ask yourself: "am I really the audience for this show?" With Supergirl what I wanted was something that was fun and lighthearted, but with engaging plots and characters. It looks, however, like the show might be going down a more gimmick-of-the-week driven route, with Superman, multiple crossover episodes, musicals... The solid, consistent, well-thought-out storylines I was hoping for from the writers in season two look an ever more dim possibility with each new announcement. Now might be a good point to bail out.
R5
As someone who just got around to Mr. Robot, it's great. Made me buy Season 2 (1 is streaming free on Amazon Prime). Stranger Things is up next I think. Need to finish it before Luke Cage in September. (I have so many things I've not gotten to yet it's not funny.)
I will say, this entire post is well though out. OTH, it also is filled with a lot of what I call "borrowing trouble". That is making assumptions, and then positing from those. Now, I think I AGREE with most of what you said, but they're still guesswork analysis. One life lesson I learned is "don't borrow trouble" -- that is don't get too invested in things that haven't happened yet. Works better on a altercation with a person -- we often ascribe motives to people that just aren't there and get all worked up about it instead of just talking it out. The resolution is harder as you're extra upset over things that were never meant (etc).
You do this a bit here, adding in good analysis, but still, not having seen the real result, we have no idea what is actually happening.
You do bring it around in the end -- the "wait and see". I'm a bit concerned myself, but figure that my current plan is fairly simple:
- i'm not stressing about it.
- I won't pay up front for Supergirl like I did last year.
- if I can't stream it (free) to my TV, my plan is to wait until the season block hits Netflix 8 days after the finale.
- IF I find that people are raving about the show or it's at lest better than S1, I'll purchase a streaming rights to the show from Amazon/Apple and start to watch it. If I find it's "not good", I can just cancel and not be out much.
If I wait until it hits Netflix, I can watch at my own pace, and give up/binge as I see fit. It'll also take up less of my time, because I won't feel motivated to squeeze in 45 minutes of TV viewing (among all the other shows) and can instead modulate to when I want (so maybe I'd write more...). But it does make me really appreciate the British/Netflix/other short seasons. 6-12 REALLY strong episodes are better than 24 where 10 are good. I might not watch the 10 then!
Re: Limitless (Tv not movie, movie is better/different) which I finally watched on Netflix. I did like the show, but it had several blah episodes mixed in with some where everything seemed to work really well and I thought the episode was great. So I took to just reading the plot of the episode and skipped a few. If the opening "what happened" made the skipped episodes seem great, I'd go watch them. Sometimes I watched 10m and skipped. Probably watched < 60% of the episodes. Probably missed out on some good TV, but also, I'd not have finished otherwise. It didn't help that the show was ... almost as bad as Supergirl with the character. "I am super-smart and have a perfect memory, and can do impossible things. Oh, this doesn't work." (complex device made from markers and a colander, etc) Fumbles around a bit. "Oh, I forgot to plug it in!" From a character who is billed as "can remember everything". I mean I GET forgetting (human) but he'd find it by flashing for a second and then plugging it in not fumbling around and discovering it. (re: Supergirl and lift a super heavy key, fly a space station to space, but has trouble lifting one cable car.)
But then, that's why I like binging, sometimes I just hop ahead. I can always go back.
I'll probably do this with ALL the CW shows. Flash/Supergirl/Legends are up in the air though. Flash/LoT are fun, and might make the cut so I have something to kill some time with during the year. Supergirl I'm going to let the people here convince me one way or the other. (I'm hoping it's "good enough" to convince me to buy, so they get a S3 to maybe pull things around -- though I can't think of show where it takes three seasons to get good.
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12 Aug 2016 15:38 #49567
by TwiceOnThursdays
Replied by TwiceOnThursdays on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
Let me reiterate the "but I'm not stressing about it".
I'm currently at the "I don't think I need to buy this", but taking a wait and see approach. Fortunately, the people here will let me know if it's worthwhile or not. (Just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't mean that I won't read what they say and decide I need to check it out for myself.)
re: musical episode. If the season is good, no one will care that it's "filler". IF it's well written/super fun, no one will care either. People will only care if the season is "meh" and the particular episode isn't that good either.
I tend to find most musical shows (if it's 100% musical) annoying. I'd rather just see a SG/Flash duet. Maybe in costume. But just them goofing around would really do it for me. I found the entire ice cream/doughnuts scene in the Flash/SG crossover worth the entire episode so I really didn't get bothered by the cheesy ending. A Kara/Barry karaoke night sounds super fun. Or is that Kara-oke? Karaoke with Barry while Arrow simmers in the background trying to be serious. Hell yeah. Them finding a song and forcing arrow through force of happy/bubbly to gamely sing his part. Fantastic. Just the thought of those two being super happy/excited and Arrow trying to deal with that makes me happy. I guess that's why some might hate crossover episodes, as you give me that scene and I really don't care if the rest of the episode is shit (but would prefer it not to be).
But after that, I'll have to see it. At worst, I'll be binging it, so if I don't like it, I can "next". I'll likely have lots of people telling me scene X is where it's at, so I can FF and not miss the good parts.
I'm currently at the "I don't think I need to buy this", but taking a wait and see approach. Fortunately, the people here will let me know if it's worthwhile or not. (Just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't mean that I won't read what they say and decide I need to check it out for myself.)
re: musical episode. If the season is good, no one will care that it's "filler". IF it's well written/super fun, no one will care either. People will only care if the season is "meh" and the particular episode isn't that good either.
I tend to find most musical shows (if it's 100% musical) annoying. I'd rather just see a SG/Flash duet. Maybe in costume. But just them goofing around would really do it for me. I found the entire ice cream/doughnuts scene in the Flash/SG crossover worth the entire episode so I really didn't get bothered by the cheesy ending. A Kara/Barry karaoke night sounds super fun. Or is that Kara-oke? Karaoke with Barry while Arrow simmers in the background trying to be serious. Hell yeah. Them finding a song and forcing arrow through force of happy/bubbly to gamely sing his part. Fantastic.
Just the thought of those two being super happy/excited and Arrow trying to deal with that makes me happy. I guess that's why some might hate crossover episodes, as you give me that scene and I really don't care if the rest of the episode is shit (but would prefer it not to be).But after that, I'll have to see it. At worst, I'll be binging it, so if I don't like it, I can "next". I'll likely have lots of people telling me scene X is where it's at, so I can FF and not miss the good parts.
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13 Aug 2016 12:26 #49581
by five_red
Replied by five_red on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
Thinking about this for twenty-four hours...
Based on the announcements so far, season two is clearly pitching for the fan service audience (I believe the British terms is "fanwank"?) Andrew Kreisberg is a man who adores his cheap thrills over solid plots, and that's being reflected in the show. Superman in two episodes, a multi-episode crossover, and a musical -- and those are just the things they've announced thus far about the first half of the season.
I have to come clean: I had my doubts about Supergirl from the end of season one, but I was optimistic that the scriptwriting problems would be fixed in season two. (Someone on here, forgotten who, commented that the show looked like it was scripted by writers who weren't on the same page about who Supergirl was!) Sadly, I'm not a fan of fan service -- I prefer good stories over cheap thrills -- so each fresh announcement just reinforced the idea that Supergirl probably isn't a show aimed at me. The writers aren't just taking the show seriously enough.
In a way it could be argued that Kreisberg's approach is closer to the Silver Age storytelling of Kara's origins -- come up with an eye catching cover idea, then cobble together an excuse of a story to justify your sensational cover. In the oldern days when tv shows strayed towards gimmicky it was always a symptom that they were close to the end. To give two superheroine examples: The Bionic Woman's final season swung heavily towards UFOs, aliens, and monster-of-the-week; while Wonder Woman's final season themed stories around skateboarding, roller coasters, disco, teen pop idols, and 'star wars'. Maybe Kreisberg's penchant for fan servicing is right for this digital age(?) Maybe modern CW audiences just want the superficial and disposable, not the engrossing and thought provoking..? (But then why are streaming services chock-full of shows that are heavily plot/character driven..?!?)
If there were infinite hours in the day then I'd probably stick with watching Supergirl 'live' -- but there aren't. The show hasn't established a strong enough ethos of good solid storytelling, with consistent characterisation, to be afforded the luxury of goof-off episodes. It's a real shame that a show about my favourite superheroine seems to be being written in such a shallow way, but hey... when all said and done, it's just a bloody tv show. Worse things happen at sea... apparently. Maybe it's my own fault for being spoiled by shows like Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Mad Men, etc... I expect too much.
R5
Based on the announcements so far, season two is clearly pitching for the fan service audience (I believe the British terms is "fanwank"?) Andrew Kreisberg is a man who adores his cheap thrills over solid plots, and that's being reflected in the show. Superman in two episodes, a multi-episode crossover, and a musical -- and those are just the things they've announced thus far about the first half of the season.
I have to come clean: I had my doubts about Supergirl from the end of season one, but I was optimistic that the scriptwriting problems would be fixed in season two. (Someone on here, forgotten who, commented that the show looked like it was scripted by writers who weren't on the same page about who Supergirl was!) Sadly, I'm not a fan of fan service -- I prefer good stories over cheap thrills -- so each fresh announcement just reinforced the idea that Supergirl probably isn't a show aimed at me. The writers aren't just taking the show seriously enough.
In a way it could be argued that Kreisberg's approach is closer to the Silver Age storytelling of Kara's origins -- come up with an eye catching cover idea, then cobble together an excuse of a story to justify your sensational cover. In the oldern days when tv shows strayed towards gimmicky it was always a symptom that they were close to the end. To give two superheroine examples: The Bionic Woman's final season swung heavily towards UFOs, aliens, and monster-of-the-week; while Wonder Woman's final season themed stories around skateboarding, roller coasters, disco, teen pop idols, and 'star wars'. Maybe Kreisberg's penchant for fan servicing is right for this digital age(?) Maybe modern CW audiences just want the superficial and disposable, not the engrossing and thought provoking..? (But then why are streaming services chock-full of shows that are heavily plot/character driven..?!?)
If there were infinite hours in the day then I'd probably stick with watching Supergirl 'live' -- but there aren't. The show hasn't established a strong enough ethos of good solid storytelling, with consistent characterisation, to be afforded the luxury of goof-off episodes. It's a real shame that a show about my favourite superheroine seems to be being written in such a shallow way, but hey... when all said and done, it's just a bloody tv show. Worse things happen at sea... apparently. Maybe it's my own fault for being spoiled by shows like Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Mad Men, etc... I expect too much.
R5
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13 Aug 2016 16:26 #49586
by shadar
Well said. There is an unavoidable tendency for those of us who like the character to want to see a serious, well-written and meaningful series of storylines. It's what we try to write as best we can. She has enormous potential to be a dramatic character with great stories, even better than Superman. Smallville TV came closer to than anyone else.
Unfortunately, most of the world wouldn't put "Supergirl" and "Serious" in the same sentence. So we are very much in the minority.
Instead, we see things like the 1984 Supergirl movie, which could have been great but wasn't. The comics who keep reinventing her with limited success and lots of dumb ideas. Fan fiction which largely tends to be exploitive. And now a TV show that is a bit goofy and schizoid. She doesn't really get much respect
I long ago gave up on having people see her as a serious character (outside this forum at least) and try to enjoy whatever I'm offered in whatever media, knowing that her story, as it lives in my head and many of yours, will always be far better than we'll ever see on a screen. I can live with that.
Shadar
Replied by shadar on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
five_red wrote: Thinking about this for twenty-four hours...
Based on the announcements so far, season two is clearly pitching for the fan service audience (I believe the British terms is "fanwank"?) Andrew Kreisberg is a man who adores his cheap thrills over solid plots, and that's being reflected in the show. Superman in two episodes, a multi-episode crossover, and a musical -- and those are just the things they've announced thus far about the first half of the season.
I have to come clean: I had my doubts about Supergirl from the end of season one, but I was optimistic that the scriptwriting problems would be fixed in season two. (Someone on here, forgotten who, commented that the show looked like it was scripted by writers who weren't on the same page about who Supergirl was!) Sadly, I'm not a fan of fan service -- I prefer good stories over cheap thrills -- so each fresh announcement just reinforced the idea that Supergirl probably isn't a show aimed at me. The writers aren't just taking the show seriously enough.
In a way it could be argued that Kreisberg's approach is closer to the Silver Age storytelling of Kara's origins -- come up with an eye catching cover idea, then cobble together an excuse of a story to justify your sensational cover. In the oldern days when tv shows strayed towards gimmicky it was always a symptom that they were close to the end. To give two superheroine examples: The Bionic Woman's final season swung heavily towards UFOs, aliens, and monster-of-the-week; while Wonder Woman's final season themed stories around skateboarding, roller coasters, disco, teen pop idols, and 'star wars'. Maybe Kreisberg's penchant for fan servicing is right for this digital age(?) Maybe modern CW audiences just want the superficial and disposable, not the engrossing and thought provoking..? (But then why are streaming services chock-full of shows that are heavily plot/character driven..?!?)
If there were infinite hours in the day then I'd probably stick with watching Supergirl 'live' -- but there aren't. The show hasn't established a strong enough ethos of good solid storytelling, with consistent characterisation, to be afforded the luxury of goof-off episodes. It's a real shame that a show about my favourite superheroine seems to be being written in such a shallow way, but hey... when all said and done, it's just a bloody tv show. Worse things happen at sea... apparently. Maybe it's my own fault for being spoiled by shows like Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Mad Men, etc... I expect too much.
R5
Well said. There is an unavoidable tendency for those of us who like the character to want to see a serious, well-written and meaningful series of storylines. It's what we try to write as best we can. She has enormous potential to be a dramatic character with great stories, even better than Superman. Smallville TV came closer to than anyone else.
Unfortunately, most of the world wouldn't put "Supergirl" and "Serious" in the same sentence. So we are very much in the minority.
Instead, we see things like the 1984 Supergirl movie, which could have been great but wasn't. The comics who keep reinventing her with limited success and lots of dumb ideas. Fan fiction which largely tends to be exploitive. And now a TV show that is a bit goofy and schizoid. She doesn't really get much respect
I long ago gave up on having people see her as a serious character (outside this forum at least) and try to enjoy whatever I'm offered in whatever media, knowing that her story, as it lives in my head and many of yours, will always be far better than we'll ever see on a screen. I can live with that.
Shadar
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14 Aug 2016 07:50 #49595
by AuGoose
((raises hand)) I'd watch that
. In part because I believe deep down Oliver Queen is actually incapable of resisting super happy/bubbly. Mostly because as much as he's carved his 'mask' into grim and formidable lines, his soul isn't dead.
Replied by AuGoose on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)
TwiceOnThursdays wrote: I tend to find most musical shows (if it's 100% musical) annoying. I'd rather just see a SG/Flash duet. Maybe in costume. But just them goofing around would really do it for me. I found the entire ice cream/doughnuts scene in the Flash/SG crossover worth the entire episode so I really didn't get bothered by the cheesy ending. A Kara/Barry karaoke night sounds super fun. Or is that Kara-oke? Karaoke with Barry while Arrow simmers in the background trying to be serious. Hell yeah. Them finding a song and forcing arrow through force of happy/bubbly to gamely sing his part. Fantastic.
((raises hand)) I'd watch that
. In part because I believe deep down Oliver Queen is actually incapable of resisting super happy/bubbly. Mostly because as much as he's carved his 'mask' into grim and formidable lines, his soul isn't dead. Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
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