Politics and SWM

As I’m not aware of any other political content, other than the comments I made about the  Supergirl TV show. And that the point of those comments were complaints, that the Supergirl TV show had too much political content. I am about to go on a wicked rant that will likely result in the deletion of my account and the omission of my stories. Before I do that, I’ll leave it to you, Fats? Were my comments inappropriate? What other comments were made, on what other thread, that resulted in this thread? What specifically did you find inappropriate?

I am demanding? Christ.....what’s wrong with you? 

I am a long term lurker of this site. And I very much appreciate the content that people put up here stories and posts. 

Not saying that anyone is doing this but generally speaking; treat other members like a new aquiantance or work colleague. Would you talk politics and religion with an acquaintance or colleague.

Hate to see people leave or get upset over of all things POLITICS. 

I couldn't care less about politics. In the end politics mostly serves self interests and lobby groups. 

Can we all kiss and make up now and be friendly aquiantances again.

As someone that talks about politics all day long, I have to say I really appreciate this attitude. This place needs to be a escapist safe haven, where the only thing that matters and on subject is our love for superpowered women. I completely support this

Imagine two girls, who happen to be very super and very sexy, are filmed having a conversation.  A very controversial conversation. A fictional fight breaks out, and it has all the Super hero dressings on top. Heat Vision to the chest, Uppercuts that send the other girl to the upper stratosphere. Super breath that turns the back ground things and people into ice cubes. This goes on for some time.

Now I'm completely happy commenting on the girls, how they look, and acted....But your saying i'm not allowed to comment on what the girls were discussing, prior to their fight?

The conversation happening on SWM was so tame...so mild....no one was fighting, simply expressing a point of view. The only argument, if you could call it that...Was, does Supergirl inject politics in their show....A fucking fair question...ANd on topic!

What year is this? Where Am I? Who are you people?

What Imbecile complained? Who's the SJW...Show yourself!

And Ironically, regards to the political theme, of what was being discussed....Was, that if you say anything, about the brand of politics that's being routinely forced down your throat. Some SJW creep, will DEMAND that you stop.

Even more Ironic, is that by posting this thread....YOU MADE IT POLITICAL!.

Ok....Because, I haven't even started yet....I'm sure I'll be getting the boot. After that happens, i'm hoping that my stories be deleted from story bank. 

Sorry to those I spoke to regarding the next few stories I intended on posting...but....I die on this hill

You made the right call Fats. 

As the old electrical engineer in me might have once said, "we got too much Q in that circuit".    

A high-Q oscillator (underdamped) will ring very loudly and for a long time with only a small input. Think electric guitar with too much feedback. 

That's what is so dangerous about talking politics. The Q is very high. 



Shadar

I'm here to escape into a world of beautiful women with superpowers. Nothing more.

d_k_c wrote: Sorry to those I spoke to regarding the next few stories I intended on posting...but....I die on this hill

veggicidal wrote: I'm here to escape into a world of beautiful women with superpowers. Nothing more.

I am with you Fats.
I am not going to die on this hill.
However it is not us injecting politics into our gender.
I just want to see beautiful women with superpowers.

- Rant Mode Activated! -

Lastly, this is not an attack on anyone or a group of members nor is this an attack on people's free speech,

No matter how much you tell yourself this, doesn't make it true. But hey, if it helps you sleep at night.

Ironically enough, this was exactly what one of the topics discussed in the thread that caused you to post this was.

"Quick,, opposing views.  SHUT IT DOWN!"

I get if the thread itself was started as a political one, but the discussion was in relation to a TV SHOW called Supergirl.  You know, the alter you all bow down too.

Some people come here to look at Japanese schoolgirls with a caption describing how super they are.  Some come to read about women who can lift a bajillion tons of weight and not break a sweat.

I enjoyed coming here to discuss superhero themes and stories of superheroines in film and tv.  Guess you can only do that if singing its praises, 'cause you believe they are all amazing and stellar.

Not gonna bother doing that if I have to watch what I say.  Plenty other forums out there.

Which incidentally, I have NEVER come across a forum where such a request was DEMANDED.  Congratulations on breaking new ground.

You sir, are then ENEMY of free speech.  Rather then engaging in discourse, you just shut it down.

And if I am being honest, the discussion was quite civil and well reasoned, as many such discussion that have, apparently, lead you to this action were.

So, enjoy your safe space.

Peace.

/K

P.S.  This will probably be delete and/or my account suspended.  But it needed to be said.  Good day all.

Partisan politics these days is all heat and no light.

--Brantley

@ Fats

Thank you and I appreciated the fact that you posted and clarified your position.

In fairness, I (personally), have not come across any hostility towards anyones point of view.  I've never been hostile towards anyone, and I've never really felt anyone be hostile to me.

In a discourse, certainly one which is a critique, we are not all going to be singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak.  Just because we disagree on something, doesn't mean we hate the person per se.  Ofc I can only speak for myself in this regard.

When discussing things like story, or aesthetics in general, I MUCH prefer the person whos view differs from mine to debate WHY they differ.  Sure, we might not come to an agreement, but its better then saying "nah lets not talk about that".  Hell, I may be the one that changes to your point of view with regards to the topic.  It happens

Which brings us to Supergirl the TV Show.  I would be hard pressed to extract the political messaging embedded in that show from its story.  Woodclaw mentions Black Panther and Wonder Woman, and I would say they fall into the same category.  Every work of art has political subtexts - its the nature of the medium.  I think it gets focused on so much now, BECAUSE it is no longer a subtext, but overt and in your face.  Particularly in regards to the texts mentioned.  As such, it occupys more of the discourse on that particular work.

I think a sub forum for political discussion is a good idea in theory.  But I don't think it would a) see much use; and b) be necessary.   The topic arises out of the piece being discussed.  Its not always the case.  I've written many reviews on Supergirl episodes over the years, where I focused more on the aesthetic of the piece.  However, when the messaging is so dominant in an episode, its hard to avoid it.  So you're gonna get discussions of that nature from time to time, due to the nature of the beast.

I'll leave with this quote, that perhaps best sums up what has been discussed so far:

"“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”  - George Orwell

Peace.

/K

Thank you for this, Fats.

As a suggestion: why don't you go ahead and do as you suggested? Make a separate section for people who have political laundry to air. Then, when someone decides to go off the rails, you can simply move their post/topic into the political section. Generally, I don't see any reason to delete posts unless they become personal attacks. Attacks on a political position may get heated, but, provided there's a space for them, I can avoid them with impunity by simply not sticking my face into the grinder.

Dear Fats: I totally agree with you. Politics should not be found in any of the threads.

I agree that Politics, by itself, has no place on SWM mania. The politics that had been discussed was in relation to the Supergirl show. 

I love discussing the inner workings of a story, the politics of the story, if you will. A good example of this is DS9, and the Federation opting to use chemical weapons to entirely wipe out a civilization, because they were losing a war. There's a good debate to be had there.....One such debate, is how much of a loser I sound like for debating the politics of Star trek =) As my friends are always be quick to remind me. But, like I tell them....I can't help myself.

Unfortunately, when discussing Supergirl - you can't help but tread into real life territory. Another point to this is Supergirl's Red Son theme they're going with....Are they going to stick to the Superman comic line (I already know they wont) Or, is Russia going to engage in election meddling? Seeing as, USA needs a new president......Who wants to bet that, that's where their going?

Fats, one of the first things I thought when I read this was, why hadn't you sent me a PM. You clarified. That it wasn't about me, and it'll never be about me. Perhaps I haven't read enough threads to notice that this was a problem. I completely agree, if I were to open a thread, with the intent of discussing and engaging in real world politics. This is not the forum for it. So I apologize if I grossly misinterpreted your remarks.
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Would call it a good use of admin superpowers.  Thanks for maintaining an environment free from problems that are not likely to be solved by online discussion.  

Hoping the policy is applied equally on issues and individuals in which case it's all good.

I have been around a long time (as my Medicare card will confirm.).  Most people have a hard time understanding complex issues so they break very grey issues down to black and white ones because it is simple and easy to do so.  TV is no different.  I remember how Dragnet 1967 and 1968 portrayed anti war protesters and hippies.  Turns out the left wingers were correct.  The US government had been less than fully candid with Americans about how the war was going. TV tends to mirror what's hot at the moment and what is current at the time.  Supergirl is no different than Dragnet. Sgt. Friday was extremely to the right, and Supergirl leans to the left.  

It is no Secrect that we are having some serious issues here in the states in terms of freedom of speech and civility towards those who share different viewpoints.  To have these issues spill over into my favorite haven to temporarily escape them is devistating, especially when it concerns two individuals that I know pretty well and have tremendous respect for, Fats and D_K_C.  One has spent an enormous amount of time and money on this site and the other is an incredibly talented storyteller who happens to be my favorite author along with being a friend and motivator.  I think that 
the best thing to do here is take a big breath and take a step back  I know very well what fats  is afraid of and I think that D_K_C was dead on with his analysis of where the Supergirl series is going.

Is the site in need of financial support?  If so I'd rather discuss that than politics here.  

No reason politics cannot be discussed in relation to specific shows, films, art, stories.  Just has to be kept civil.  I love to discuss current events and history.  But when the other party is obviously not going to do go back and forth with an intent to learn what is the point.  

So, I'll stand up to what I feel might be censorship to a ridiculous degree....And I thought that, Fats remarks were intended for me, and primarily in response to my comments of the Supergirl show.

I deliberately used, i'd say, strong language to emphasize my point. But although, that language was used....I'm not upset at all. I don't think I've ever been upset with someone or something I can't see, hear or touch. But perhaps that diminishes the feelings of those who do, or can get, upset.

Fats has put a lot of time and effort into this site, and you could remove my stories, and about a thousand others and he, and he alone can still make this site work. I lost sight of that, and may have disrespected FATS. For that I apologize.

I fully intend to make my comments known...especially when it comes to Supergirl. If I ever cross a line please PM me Fats, and I will certainly stop, out of respect for you and the members here.

See, Now I sound Bi-polar LoL...I assure you, I am not =)

"Politics" may have no place but we should be able to call out racism and other forms of bigotry.