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kikass2014 wrote: Quite a few people have called this happening for a while, myself included.
Like you say, mainstream comics has been dying a slow death for a long time now. It was only a matter of time before this happened.
When you put out shit like this -
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- and no one is buying it, what did they really expect? (This is supposed to be Wonder Woman btw - an AMAZONIAN PRINCESS, and the PREMIER female superhero, not just of DC, but the WORLD!)
This does not come as a surprise to me at all.
Marvel Comics MIGHT be able to stave off this, due its "bigger brothers". But as soon as AT&T entered the picture, the clock was ticking for DC.
Markiehoe wrote: And BOOM!
The hammer came down yesterday.
What does this mean for the future of DC Comics and Comics in general?
We all know comics have been suffering a slow death for years.
DC. Has many problems, this cover is a rounding error on that list.
kikass2014 wrote: Ah Twice, the white knight of the comics industry.
I am well aware of the story behind the cover, and actually, it says "Wonder Woman 1984" right ABOVE the picture. So, if I were a layman, I would naturally assume, that the picture is indeed Wonder Woman.
kikass2014 wrote:Yes, that is exactly the reason I used that image as an example. It is the latest in a long line of problems with the industry.
DC. Has many problems, this cover is a rounding error on that list
Look, we've been through this with each other before. You think the comics industry is fine, yet actions recently seem to show the opposite.
kikass2014 wrote: You say the industry is doing fine, yet indicators show that this is not the case. They bundle in scholastic with regular floppies to inflate the amount of revenue generated. But sales of major titles are down, and have been on a downward trend, for a while now.
kikass2014 wrote: You say comics are not attracting new readers. Ok, why? I, and I assume others here, point to the fact that the stories in them are SJW drivel, filled with identity politics and agenda driven. People don't want that in their entertainment. They want escapism form the real world.
What is your reasoning for the collapse then?
kikass2014 wrote: You say Kickstarter (or to be more specific, crowd-funded) comics aren't the future. Yet sales of crowd-funded comics are up by 25% on last year. And while it may not be the savior of the industry, at least comic book readers can find books that don't shit on them. Instead, they can find stories that entertain. Manga sales are also up, showing, again, that people want to be entertained, not given sjw propaganda.
kikass2014 wrote: So I ask again, what do you see as the problem with the mainstream comic industry? Why is it having a hard time, not only pulling new readers (as you state), but also holding onto existing ones (as sales figures show)?
Like any business, they they can either find new ways to market (not through shops, apparently) more interesting content to the customers they want to develop for the long-term, or they can ultimately shrink and go out of business.
Either way, many of us here won't be their target audience. It's one of the worst things about getting a bit older -- not being the target audience for something you love.
oogber wrote: Speaking from the fringe, and note that I am not a heavy reader of neither comics nor manga...
I tried a little to get into comics after I discovered shadar's (at the time, Sharon Best) writing. I really could not get into it. The stories, if you can call it that, were really poorly written, a villain du jour would pop up and get resolved unsatisfyingly in three issues, they did crossovers that I did not give a shit about...
It really strikes me as a huge difference to the storytelling in manga. There, we have huge arcs with what feels like much more organic pacing and movement and growth. I suppose graphic novels are more like the counterpart to manga than comics. I don't know where to put comics then. Just... junk food storytelling with (sometimes) pretty pictures?
I know I am definitely not the target audience, but I'm even the kind of guy who doesn't quite understand who the target audience is.
To be clear, I have no stake in the matter and am definitely not looking to argue or start a stupid flame war Just that the comic storytelling has always genuinely confounded me.
TwiceOnThursdays wrote: Here’s an interview with Jim Lee over what is happening at DC. He gets at a lot of the basic questions people had and what the stated plans are for DC in the future. (Of course, what they say they’re going to do and what they actually do might not be the same.)
Does anyone know why local variety shops stopped being the main place kids bought comics from 1930s-1980s? I have't seen them in those places in decades. It all goes to comic book and other specialty stores.
From the publisher perspective (Marvel and DC), there is an elemental difference between the direct market and the newstand market: The newsstand market could return comic books, the direct market can't. (The direct market got discount for doing that.)
I think those are the real gateways for younger readers now. I could spend a tremendous amount of time, effort and energy trying to get comics back onto spinner racks in 7-Elevens. But that would be a waste of resources because the reason there aren't any spinner racks in 7-Elevens anymore is because they were no longer fiscally feasible. The amount of money those racks generated for the amount of space and maintenance they required was not worthwhile for that organization. All the wishing in the world on my part is not going to change that. I think it's imperative for us to reach out to the youngest possible demographic and appeal to their sensibilities to draw them into this world, but I think you're going to see that through digital and animation more than traditional comic book publishing