What is your favourite type of Supergirl?

tsuper wrote:

I think I also enjoyed the whole early run of Miss Marvel when it was like a werewolf situation. I think that could be an interesting character to have. I do also kind a like the idea of someone knowing who Supergirl is being turned into her and being amazed that they have all of the powers.
 

Agree re: earliest Ms. Marvel comics. The fact that she didn’t control her transformation from Carol to Ms. Marvel was pretty wild. She’d get these 6th sense rushes of insight that would overwhelm her with almost orgasmic Werewolf intensity, and she’d then wake up as Ms. Marvel — with blank spots in her memories going both ways. 

A lot of ground for some interesting and dramatic situations. Shame that book didn’t last very long. The whole Ms. Marvel / Captain Marvel thing got all mucked up down the road. 

Shadar

In all honesty…..blonde, muscular and with Kyrptonian-type powers. As for personality, 100% utterly evil and sadistic.

The works of conceptfan, Dru1076 and papayoya1 are masterpieces.

Part of that is rogue absorbed mrs marvels soul basically see my idea is a weresupergirl it would be really neat

Do you want to write a were supergirl story together?

somedude1 post=76675 userid=24524

In all honesty…..blonde, muscular and with Kyrptonian-type powers. As for personality, 100% utterly evil and sadistic

ALOT like Tetsuko then...

 

(Many Thanks once more to David C. Matthews for the above story!, where Tetsuko's body becomes accidentally Super-Endowed, Enhanced and Generated by an injection and overflow internally of what would be called a SuperStrength Serum Formula.)



Her Mammoth Muscles Swell to an Extent that her entire body is capable of stopping Tons of a speeding runaway truck with her bare arms and hands!

   

Definitely more into the bad girls, but I agree that they should have some sort of motivation. A woman gaining powers and spontaneously turning sadistic, just because they have the power to get away with it, tends to pull me out of a story.

Yeah, you could say the same about Lana in the episode 'Wrath' in Smallville. A promising concept, but it didn't really play out well when she turned into some sort of SuperPsycho after gaining a duplication of Clark's powers.
The producer's obviously felt Lana couldn't keep her New-Found Abilities and Powers due to continuity in the series, and it was a bit of a lame ending to that episode.

Monty wrote:

somedude1 wrote:

In all honesty…..blonde, muscular and with Kyrptonian-type powers. As for personality, 100% utterly evil and sadistic

ALOT like Tetsuko then...
 

Apart from Tetsuko being incredibly kind and caring rather than sadistic and evil of course.

It has been interesting reading everyone’s replies and I’m glad to see a lot of people are not keen on evil superwomen. Personally I don’t mind selfish or criminal characters of the type who would rob a bank by tearing out the vault but sadistic mass murders just don’t appal to me.

However I am a little disappointed than when it comes to appearance most people just seem to go for ‘slim hot blond’. I thought there would be a little more variation.

Yes, I realised that when I posted. Tetsuko's a good soul who goes out of her way to help good, innocent people with her unique abilities.
It was more the 'Blonde, Muscular with Kryptonian-Type Powers' I was angling towards.   

The Highlander wrote:

I don't exactly object to those characters, but sometimes their actions don't add up.  Suppose she goes into a bank, walks past all the tellers, rips the door off the vault, packs a few bags full of cash, struts out the front door, laughs at the police, and waves at the news cameras.  What is she going to do with the money?  If she could bully her way into a bank, she could steal anything she might want to buy.  A super-powered character doesn't need an expensive car or a plane.  I can't see a character like that going through the whole escrow process to buy a house.  If her face is all over the news, no one would want to do business with her, anyway.

Selfish and hedonistic is not a deal breaker, but be smart about it.  Use x-ray vision to blackmail some billionaire, or telekinesis to manipulate a lottery drawing, something like that.  A public persona seems like more trouble than it's worth.

The oversized bad girls who smash and slash are good for some escapism of the wanking kind, no problem there, but what is interesting to me is portraying the complex dynamics of a superbeing actually living among ordinary folks. The kinds of things they could really do to change the world, and to explore the kinds of relationships they form with regular people. The whole secret identity thing too, given that the media reaction to an actual superhuman would make their lives unlivable. The papparazzi alone would be insufferable. 

The ups and downs of being essentially a goddess who chooses to live largely hidden among us, revealing what she really is to a very few people who can help her. Clearly it would not be the usual relationship. Plus she'd need a private Intel operation that collects and feeds her information about threats and problems that only she can deal with, combined with some kind of personal relationship -- assuming she wanted to change the world (my favorite fantasy is always ridding Earth of nukes before we destroy ourselves). 

Those are human stories involving someone who isn't human. It's fascinating to imagine what would really happen if you were in a relationship with such a person?

Agree on Pepper's comment that money would be the least useful thing for a Supergirl to have. Maybe some here and there to fund a Watchtower kind of surveillance system that talks to her via a buried earpiece or whatever. That might take a few people and some fancy equipment to stay one step ahead of the News so she can get involved to save lives. But cash and other stolen goods are useless given large amounts of it are regarded very suspiciously and requires tons of paperwork and associated trails, at least when living in modern countries. Showing up with a few bales of $100 dollar bills is guaranteed to queer any deal, unless they want to live like drug cartel members or whatever. And they launder their money via elaborate schemes to turn it into useable funds themselves. 

Maybe Bitcoin might work, but you don't break into bank vaults to steal that.

But, the nature of fantasy is that it can operate on many levels. The fun of SWM is that it embraces them all. 

Shadar

I think a few people, especially Shadar, have touched on a really interesting point. Amidst the age-old discussion about good girls/bad girls/I like it when/I don't like it when etc. there's another dimension entirely: what do each of us actually "get" from our interest in supergirls. There's philosophical and moral fascination, social and anthropological theory, there's power worship and fetish, there's fantasy, escapism, thinking and wanking. Perhaps unsurprisingly, each individual has their own unique mix of the different aspects, and in unique proportions to make up their own, personal, unique-as-a-fingerprint, preferences. None can possibly be "right" and none could possibly be "wrong".
As mentioned above, what's great is we can all share what we have in common - a love of supergirls, even though it's for different kinds of supergirls and for different kinds of reasons because there are so many overlaps amongst our individual takes/preferences.

I like a Supergirl to have ambition suited to her power level. Having her pointlessly torture some guy who ghosted her after her first date is just petty. She has the powers (and looks) of a goddess, a mortal, however much he offended her, is pretty much an insect. You don't torture insects, you step on them. If evil is her preferred alignment, let her at least have the gravitas to carry it off, not just be a high school mean girl with powers. Pettiness does not suit a Supergirl.

I tend to prefer good Supergirls, but it's harder to write a good story about good girls with the kind of power levels we prefer here on SWM. Not enough out there to challenge her, she has the powers to solve most normal problems that easily, except the ones that can't really be solved by using super powers, and are thus not much fun to read about being solved. World hunger is a worthy problem for a Supergirl to solve, but it would be a challenge to make a story about solving it a good read.

I also definitely prefer "good girl" Supergirls. So it's harder to write a Girl Scout, whatever.

marcoasalazarm2 post=76690 userid=24123I also definitely prefer "good girl" Supergirls. So it's harder to write a Girl Scout, whatever.

Maybe that is where the writer's went wrong with Melissa's character. She was Miss Goody two shoes most of the time (apart from when she went Ballistic after being affected by Kryptonite radiation, and sorting out the bank robbers, she was everyone's friend = taking on and defeating some no-mark aliens didn't really count for me. I suppose the writer's were trying to appeal to a specific demographic of audience.)

To be honest from most CW shows have a problem and the one that really didn’t have this problem was Riverdale because it could do basically whatever it wanted. The superhero CW shows are kind of locked in a pattern but I think it’s also because the writers weren’t any good.On top of that  I don’t like Katt Grant the way she’s written makes her so unlikable. Then essentially Kara Danvers just has the same job as Clark Kent and Supergirl was more interesting when she had to go to like college.

There is a myriad reasons why the CW superhero shows are the red-headed step-child of superhero media. Kara being a Girl Scout (or at least the writers trying to present her as one) is, if one of the cogs of that machine, a tiny cog.

I meant more like kara is more interesting when she’s a student rather than the same exact job as Clark Kent. But I like that concept of her being a student because I also like the idea of her being human before she’s turned into Supergirl.

Agree. Although she was never portrayed as being truly 'human', probably one of the best episodes was Kara using her Powers to 'take the mickey' as an adolescent out of her new sister at Riverdale High, only for her true identity to be discovered by a fellow student. ​​​​​


(E.T.A. I would have used the quote function on the post above, but for some reason, the replies keep merging with the original post - it may be my iPad causing problems, or a site issue.)

There are so many ways to portray Kara Zor El, and the comics, movies and TV have tried a bunch of them. 

My favorite settings, out of the ones that the comics tried with mixed success, are:

1) A coming-of-age story where she's trying to fit into a 1970's/80's/90's-era High School of the USA type. She was raised and educated on Krypton, with its hyper-advanced science, so the academics and social structure of an Earth high school is radically different, and would make her kind of an innocent at first. Maybe a location where she also hangs out with surfers (rebellious outsiders and stoners in some eras) to ride the waves.  (Tricky given the 'over 18 only' rules of SWM. But then, she was born before Kal El, even if most of that was spent hibernating. So technically...)

2) As a new college student at a University, and dealing with the various alien/enhanced/biological freak characters that are somehow drawn to her, along with the usual issues of being a college Freshman combined with the public sensation of being Supergirl. The way the media and police and military would react to someone who was super but didn't do things like Superman. A bit more of a vigilante and a wild-card.

3) As a grown woman, in her thirties but looking younger, who has a rich history as not only Linda Danvers, but as Supergirl. I'd enhance what the comics did along those lines by having her married and with daughters who are doing the insane coming-of-age thing and are also super like their mom and look like her. Lots of interesting themes to explore in that world. But has even worse SWM age limitations of Option 1.

I did NOT like settings in the comics where she was a TV camera operator for a News station or an actress on a soap opera or a counselor on a college campus. Those were poor and dull roles for someone who had to fly off without notice to do her Supergirl thing. Nor did I like the role where she was part of the entertainment media ala the Supergirl TV show. Clark was a reporter back in the waning days of the great newspapers (50's), and that worked, especially with Lois, but the whole TV show CatCo thing, with a newsroom staff full of the kind of people who would never actually be in a newsroom, with Kara working as a personal assistant (and dumping ground) for an arrogant, narcissistic woman -- it basically sucked. I know what they were trying to do -- to show that the greatest of all could also be the least of all -- but it was painful.

Shadar




 

BrokenIron wrote:

I tend to prefer good gorls, but I want my supergirl grounded in real psychology.  I don't care for evil girls because people don't kill just because they can.

There are hundreds of thousands of highly trained, combat experienced warriors all over the United States today and they are almost never implicated in murders.  No one kills because they have the ability or even the skill to likely get away with murder.

People are motivated to kill. So, if an evil girl has the right motivation I will read her story.  Bad Becky and from  "Blind Date" was good and there are others.  Arions make sense and I can imagine anyone breaking. 

But mostly i like Good Girls because i think it is more realistic.  Most US presidents have risen to the office and tried very hard to wield their power responsibly.  And it would be damn lonely.  A lot of the best stories cover these aspects.  

Being a Good Girl is just harder and end the end sexier.  
 

Totally agree here. While I prefer "good girls" I think the right term would be realistic girls. A newly minted ubergirl would not immediately put on a cape and save kittens from trees just because she can. But she's even less likely to just go on a killing spree because she can't be stopped.
Bad Becky was my attempt at a villainess that's locked in that role even though she's long since grown tired of it. Funny how she was built on the "A ubergirl changes sides" workshop theme and every other entry on that had a ubergirl turn evil instead.

Another example of a "realistic" ubergirl would be Yosh's Serena. The story doesn't really go too far, but if you look at her actions, she's actually quite selfish during the story. But in a very understandable way as nobody would react that different in her situation. She feels like a rather tame Spiderman before the Uncle Ben incident and probably wouldn't even need one in order to go down a heroic path. But I guess she's considered a good girl in this discussion by the lack of a bodycount alone.

Perhaps millionaire - possibly billionaire - Bruce Wayne, under the disguise of batman would step in with funds and say "Anything you want, my Supergirl, anything you wish for you can have! as I will provide."

tsuper wrote:

I meant more like kara is more interesting when she’s a student rather than the same exact job as Clark Kent. But I like that concept of her being a student because I also like the idea of her being human before she’s turned into Supergirl.

Interesting because I see it the other way. I like that Kara wasn’t raised on Earth, that she reached her mid-teens (more or less) while living on Krypton and very close to the seats of power and privilege. She was bound for greatness  in science on a highly advanced world, just like her parents and extended family.

Yet when she arrives on Earth as a lost and lonely orphan, her entire world literally gone, Kal sticks her in an orphanage to live as the lowest of the low. Imagine that shock on top of losing her entire planet, her species destroyed, one of the last survivors. Plus Earth is so backward and strange, its people simple and uneducated by her standards. And she discovers that she has immense powers, that she mostly hides except when they are needed to save lives and do good.

That could have gone very wrong given her abilities, but the fact that it mostly didn’t is a credit to her character, along with some good advice from Kal. She learned to be human in many ways, and to love the Earth, living much of her life as Linda, who is not a powerful or important person. Quite the opposite.

That is what continues to endear her to me as a character. Her duality… a goddess who mostly wants to be human.

Shadar

although like superfemales my favourite supergirl orginal kara i like used about bionic woman slendar female who knockout most powerful man in world and faster than anyone, i guess it hidden superstrength and speed from femmie delicate looking lady hidden strength and super powers

my two cents and thoughts dave