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Rumors now circulating after the casting of Zod is that Ursa will not be a Kryptonian female that will align with Zod. Rather, Faora (or Zaora) will be the mysterious female lead. For those not familiar with her, she is the ultimate man-hating Kryptonian. Some say the character of Ursa in Superman II was based originally on her, so I guess they are kinda one in the same.
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Faora To Be Villainess in MAN OF STEEL? Redesigned Krypton to Look Like Coruscant? - Collider.com
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From #473-#499 "Superman's Action Comics" became "Faora's Action Comics", for a two-year story arc that became known as the "Earth Empress" arc. Faora declared herself Empress Faora, Dictatrix of Earth. Stories during this period mostly revolved around plots by the human resistance (aided by Lex Luthor) to undermine the rule of Empress Faora. These plots would always be foiled, with the humans defeated and humiliated by a triumphant Faora, her grip on Earth stronger than ever. A backup feature during this time focused on Supergirl travelling the universe, trying to find somebody who could train her in the fighting techniques needed to defeat Faora.
In issue #500, the series was renamed "Supergirl's Action Comics". This issue was double-sized and showed Supergirl's triumphant return to Earth, at the end of which she defeated Faora and sent the villain back to the Phantom Zone. This issue came out at the same time as 1979's "Supergirl: The Movie", which was a world-wide sensation, establishing Supergirl as the most popular superhero in popular culture.
Supergirl continues to star in Action Comics to this day. Superman (an alternate universe version) returned briefly during the Crisis On Infinite Earths; his heroic sacrifice being the centerpiece of issue #7.
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A recent attempt by DC to re-introduce Superman has floundered due to a revolving door of writers; apparently people are less than willing to work on a character who seems a pale shadow of his more popular cousin. Meanwhile, Supergirl's popularity goes from strength to strength, with everyone anticipating the latest movie, directed by James Cameron and starring Scarlett Johansson to be the biggest yet.
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And of course who can forget the double-page spread in issue #500, when Supergirl's punch sends Faora hurtling against the moon, shattering it into thousands of frgagments?
I'm surprised that DC hasn't reprinted this arc in a trade paperback format.
Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...
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The Avengers were relaunched as the New Avengers, featuring Iron Lady, Ms. Marvel, Valkyrie, American Dream, and She-Hulk as the core of the team. They kept a few token male heroes around to placate the vocal minority of weirdos who are interested in that kind of thing, but they have not been the focus for a long time. After the success of the Iron Lady movies, which have done so much to rehabilitate Amy Winehouse's image after her bravura performance as Antonia Stark, the long-awaited New Avengers movie is now in pre-production. Once Natalie Portman has wrapped filming "Valkyrie" and Amanda Seyfried has finished work on "American Dream: The First Avenger", they will join Winehouse, Keira Knightley as Ms. Marvel and Gail Kim as She-Hulk in the ensemble piece.
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argonaut wrote: Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...
But then we would have to talk about the awful Flash TV series from 1990 and the crimes they committed against the classic Flash costume.
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argonaut wrote: Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...
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The idea of replacing Hal with Carol Ferris was pretty good, but we all know where they went from there. First they offed Carol at the beginning of the 90s when she tried to resurrect Hal and replaced her with Anya Savenlovich (which wasn't bad character by herself, although very cliché-heavy at first), but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!
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Anon wrote: The idea of replacing Hal with Carol Ferris was pretty good, but we all know where they went from there. First they offed Carol at the beginning of the 90s when she tried to resurrect Hal and replaced her with Anya Savenlovich (which wasn't bad character by herself, although very cliché-heavy at first), but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!
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I think they did a better job, plot-wise, with Green Arrow. Replacing Oliver Queen with his younger sister, Olivia (really guys, you just changed two letters and called it a day?), seemed like a cheesy move at the beginning, but Olivia quickly established herself as a strong character in her own right. I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.
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DietSnapple71 wrote: I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.
haha! Nice one!

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Anon wrote: , but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!
Yeah, Major Force is a stone cold bitch, that’s for sure. She also choked Arisia’s friend Guy Gardner to death after making him beg for his life.
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When it comes to “men in refrigerators”. It’s true that men get the short end of the stick in the DC universe, but so much of that is because of economic and story reasons. Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne get shot and crippled by the Joker instead of Batwoman/Barbara Gordon? Because Batwoman was and is one of the most popular characters in the world and Batman did not even have his own book at the time. Yes, Jason Todd was disposed of in a brutal manner, but he was a deeply unpopular character at the time, and Stephanie Brown, his replacement as Robin, has done such a good job that nobody batted an eyelid when she temporarily replaced Gordon as Batwoman after the events of Final Crisis.
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The harsh fact is that male characters are more likely to be disposable in current DC stories. When Supergirl-Prime or Black Mary go on a rampage and kill or main a bunch of Teen Titans, who do you think is more likely to be a victim: popular characters like Pantha, Terra, Ms. Martian, or Aquagirl; or second-stringers like Beast Boy, Aqualad, Nightwing, or Kid Devil? You guessed it: RIP, boys! The boyfriends or husbands of big DC heroines are ideal targets for a villain when you want to raise the stakes.
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The same applies to the other end of the spectrum: resurrection. How come Carol Ferris was resurrected at the end of ‘Blackest Night’, but Hal Jordan remains resolutely dead? Because nobody but the most die-hard fans even know who Hal Jordan is!
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Lex Luthor’s cousin, Nasthalthia Luthor restored a lot of the menace of the Luthor name that had been lost due to Lex’s bumbling over the years. With her power armor and ruthless deployment of Kryptonite, she has nearly bested the Girl of Steel on a number of occasions. Getting herself elected President strained even my suspension of disbelief, but you have to admit that a woman of her restless genius would be able to achieve almost any goal she desired.
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Brainiac-2 has proved more vicious and intelligent than the original Brainiac. She has nearly destroyed the sun, briefly destroyed all technology on Earth, and came close to stealing Metropolis itself. Only Supergirl’s constant struggle has kept humanity intact in the face of this technological horror, often at great cost to herself. One has to wonder how the recent alliance between Brainiac-2 and Nasthalthia Luthor will play out and how far the Girl of Steel will have to go to prevail over them.
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Supergirl-Prime, younger than Supergirl, but endowed with the incredible powers of the pre-Crisis Supergirl has proved to be a polarizing figure in fandom. Some see her as a petulant caricature, not worthy of association with the ‘S’ shield. The sickening violence that accompanies her every appearance is a sign of the darker direction that comics have taken in recent years. She is currently exiled from mainstream DC continuity, but is rumored to be making a “shocking” return soon. Given her well-established hatred for the new Superman and low sales of the current Superman book, it would not be surprising if the Man of Steel were to die for a third time. As one of the few characters in the DC universe capable of and willing to destroy entire planets, it would be entertaining to see Supergirl-Prime toying with the hapless Superman.
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Bizarro is a character who has trodden a fine line between drama and pathos, depending on who is writing for her. An imperfect duplicate of Supergirl, her actions run the gamut from mindless mayhem, to childlike villainy, to a kind of heroism as the self-appointed protector of the cube-shaped Bizarro world.
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Black Mary is another character who has walked the line between heroine and villainess, depending on her mercurial whims. She fought to save the world in both Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, for her own reasons, but between those two events she committed genocide in Bialya and killed a number of heroes during the rampage following the death of her consort. Her powers make her a match for Supergirl and her changeable nature always makes for an interesting twist in the tale.
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Then there is Maxima. The near-invincible warrior from beyond the stars whose narrow defeat during the ‘Death of Supergirl’ saga cost Supergirl her life (albeit temporarily). DC have struggled to recapture the menace of Maxima in subsequent appearances, but she remains a formidable foe nonetheless.
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I think they did a better job, plot-wise, with Green Arrow. Replacing Oliver Queen with his younger sister, Olivia (really guys, you just changed two letters and called it a day?), seemed like a cheesy move at the beginning, but Olivia quickly established herself as a strong character in her own right. I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.
Well Green Arrow never suffered of mayor love among the authors (just take a look at her rogue gallery), pretty much until Kevin Smith resurrected the character her only two meaningful stories were Mike Grell's Detroit era and the legendary "Thelma & Louise" storyline, when Olivia and Carol Ferris went cross-country looking for a new meaning for their lives.
DietSnapple71 wrote: Going back to the Girl of Steel, part of the reason for Supergirl’s popularity has to be the way that they have filled out her rogue’s gallery with memorable villainesses.
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Lex Luthor’s cousin, Nasthalthia Luthor restored a lot of the menace of the Luthor name that had been lost due to Lex’s bumbling over the years. With her power armor and ruthless deployment of Kryptonite, she has nearly bested the Girl of Steel on a number of occasions. Getting herself elected President strained even my suspension of disbelief, but you have to admit that a woman of her restless genius would be able to achieve almost any goal she desired.
My personal favourite was when the DC establish Ms. Luthor as thee first female president of the U.S. even if the conclusion of that storyline, with Batwoman destroying the Luthor Industries was very underwhleming.
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Supergirl-Prime, younger than Supergirl, but endowed with the incredible powers of the pre-Crisis Supergirl has proved to be a polarizing figure in fandom. Some see her as a petulant caricature, not worthy of association with the ‘S’ shield. The sickening violence that accompanies her every appearance is a sign of the darker direction that comics have taken in recent years. She is currently exiled from mainstream DC continuity, but is rumored to be making a “shocking” return soon. Given her well-established hatred for the new Superman and low sales of the current Superman book, it would not be surprising if the Man of Steel were to die for a third time. As one of the few characters in the DC universe capable of and willing to destroy entire planets, it would be entertaining to see Supergirl-Prime toying with the hapless Superman.
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Black Mary is another character who has walked the line between heroine and villainess, depending on her mercurial whims. She fought to save the world in both Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, for her own reasons, but between those two events she committed genocide in Bialya and killed a number of heroes during the rampage following the death of her consort. Her powers make her a match for Supergirl and her changeable nature always makes for an interesting twist in the tale.
Black Mary and Supergirl Prime are two attempts to make a decent opposite colored villain (something that they were only abel to do with Karu Sil and Lyssa Drak as opposite of Green Lantern). Of the two I prefer Mary for 3 reasons:
- She's an already established character (hell she was the first femal flying powerhouse) rather than something cocked up to satisfy a story need
- Her dual nature makes her a lot more intersting under the psychological P.O.V. (too often Supergirl Prime looks simply like a spoiled little tyrant)
- I don't care what many people said her good version is as hot as her evil one (albeit ina different way)
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Then there is Maxima. The near-invincible warrior from beyond the stars whose narrow defeat during the ‘Death of Supergirl’ saga cost Supergirl her life (albeit temporarily). DC have struggled to recapture the menace of Maxima in subsequent appearances, but she remains a formidable foe nonetheless.
The big problem with characters like Maxima (and by extension Bane, after he crippled Barbara Gordon back in an attempt to recreate a legitimate male villain whihc wasn't basicly a rapist) is that after such an incredible introduction any attempt to write a story with her will always be plagued by the need to define who's the strongest.
It doesn't help that there are tons of slash fanfiction out there having Maxima and Supergirl ina lesbian relationship.
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DietSnapple71 wrote: Action Comics #472 was, of course, the last issue to feature Superman as a regular character. After tormenting Superman for most of the story, Faora finally put the man of steel out of his misery with a massive blow to the jugular which killed him almost instantly.
From #473-#499 "Superman's Action Comics" became "Faora's Action Comics", for a two-year story arc that became known as the "Earth Empress" arc. Faora declared herself Empress Faora, Dictatrix of Earth. Stories during this period mostly revolved around plots by the human resistance (aided by Lex Luthor) to undermine the rule of Empress Faora. These plots would always be foiled, with the humans defeated and humiliated by a triumphant Faora, her grip on Earth stronger than ever. A backup feature during this time focused on Supergirl travelling the universe, trying to find somebody who could train her in the fighting techniques needed to defeat Faora.
In issue #500, the series was renamed "Supergirl's Action Comics". This issue was double-sized and showed Supergirl's triumphant return to Earth, at the end of which she defeated Faora and sent the villain back to the Phantom Zone. This issue came out at the same time as 1979's "Supergirl: The Movie", which was a world-wide sensation, establishing Supergirl as the most popular superhero in popular culture.
Supergirl continues to star in Action Comics to this day. Superman (an alternate universe version) returned briefly during the Crisis On Infinite Earths; his heroic sacrifice being the centerpiece of issue #7.
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A recent attempt by DC to re-introduce Superman has floundered due to a revolving door of writers; apparently people are less than willing to work on a character who seems a pale shadow of his more popular cousin. Meanwhile, Supergirl's popularity goes from strength to strength, with everyone anticipating the latest movie, directed by James Cameron and starring Scarlett Johansson to be the biggest yet.
It's really amazing that the Superman character lasted as long as it did. You'd think that the DC would have figured out sooner how much more powerful and dynamic female super heroines and villains are than their male counterparts, though they do provide some comic relief as they desperately try to prove they are in the same league as the females.
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clyde wrote: It's really amazing that the Superman character lasted as long as it did. You'd think that the DC would have figured out sooner how much more powerful and dynamic female super heroines and villains are than their male counterparts, though they do provide some comic relief as they desperately try to prove they are in the same league as the females.
I remember after the "Death of Supergirl" when they gave each of the four super-books to a different character.
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Cyborg Supergirl , who was first believed to be the real Supergirl, but who was later revealed to be monstrous villain when she single-handedly destroyed Coast City.
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Tomorrow Woman, who has carved out a place for herself in the DC universe, most recently having joined the Justice League.
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Mrs. Superman, who turned out to be an insane woman, obsessed with the idea of finding and marrying a "super" man. Her powers were obtained by hooking Supergirl's body up to a piece of Kryptonian technology; this technology was later responsible for Supergirl's resurrection.
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Everybody now remembers that Power Girl was the fourth of the replacements for Supergirl, but what few people now know is that they first tried to headline "Adventures of Supergirl" with Superboy. Comic book stores refused to stock the book because they knew that they would not be able to sell a male-centered comic to fans who had become used to dynamic, beautiful superheroines. The Superboy issues were scrapped and pulped and the story was rapidly rewritten to feature Power Girl as the lead, with Superboy reduced to a comic relief sidekick. His main role was to get himself into trouble and be rescued by Power Girl.
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DietSnapple71 wrote: I remember after the "Death of Supergirl" when they gave each of the four super-books to a different character.
There was also the so-called "fifth supergirl", Natasha Irons introduced after the concept of Mrs. Superman tanked.
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She was (and still is) a good character, but with three major drawbacks: first she was never a "real" Supergirl but rather a power-armor user os many fans discounted her as the DC version of Beth Cabe (the War Machine); second - due to her ghetto origins - she never really get around her reputation of "Jobber to the Stars" especially after her introduction to the JLA (Justice League of Amazons); third she got a decent male support in the form of her uncle John, which so many fans saw as a drawback (pretty much Big Barda has the same problem).
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DietSnapple71 wrote: Everybody now remembers that Power Girl was the fourth of the replacements for Supergirl, but what few people now know is that they first tried to headline "Adventures of Supergirl" with Superboy. Comic book stores refused to stock the book because they knew that they would not be able to sell a male-centered comic to fans who had become used to dynamic, beautiful superheroines. The Superboy issues were scrapped and pulped and the story was rapidly rewritten to feature Power Girl as the lead, with Superboy reduced to a comic relief sidekick. His main role was to get himself into trouble and be rescued by Power Girl.
I think I remember those issues. It was always fun to see how Superboy was always trying to prove he was as much of a hero as Power Girl, though he was neither as strong or as smart as her. He never seemed to learn from his mistakes no matter how many times Power Girl saved his but. It was especially fun when Superboy got himself outclassed and captured by a super villainess who Power Girl would then defeat with relative ease.
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DietSnapple71 wrote: Everybody now remembers that Power Girl was the fourth of the replacements for Supergirl, but what few people now know is that they first tried to headline "Adventures of Supergirl" with Superboy. Comic book stores refused to stock the book because they knew that they would not be able to sell a male-centered comic to fans who had become used to dynamic, beautiful superheroines. The Superboy issues were scrapped and pulped and the story was rapidly rewritten to feature Power Girl as the lead, with Superboy reduced to a comic relief sidekick. His main role was to get himself into trouble and be rescued by Power Girl.
I think I remember those issues. It was always fun to see how Superboy was always trying to prove he was as much of a hero as Power Girl, though he was neither as strong or as smart as her. He never seemed to learn from his mistakes no matter how many times Power Girl saved his but. It was especially fun when Superboy got himself outclassed and captured by a super villainess who Power Girl would then defeat with relative ease.
I have very few memories of those issues, but I found them pretty sad, while I can understand that the heroic business at the time was basicly a girl playground (with few notable exceptions like Mr. Miracle), but the characterization of Superboy at the time was so limited that the character felt as flat as a cardboard stand.
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