She makes it look so straightforward...

...straightupwards and so damn easy for her!...


 

Mental powers over physical. Impressive as hell. 

But not nearly as visceral as the scene would have been with Kryptonian-esq powers, IMHO. Bullets bouncing from her skin, face, her hair flying, punches and kicks demolishing the bad guys, crushing their guns in her bare hands, and then a flying tackle to grab the guy with the case while smashing through the end of the hallway. And then the final bit with her retrieving the bag of drugs with her clothing mostly shot off... and then that kiss. 

Ah well... we take what we can get from Hollywood.

Shadar

shadar wrote:

Mental powers over physical. Impressive as hell. 

But not nearly as visceral as the scene would have been with Kryptonian-esq powers, IMHO. Bullets bouncing from her skin, face, her hair flying, punches and kicks demolishing the bad guys, crushing their guns in her bare hands, and then a flying tackle to grab the guy with the case while smashing through the end of the hallway. And then the final bit with her retrieving the bag of drugs with her clothing mostly shot off... and then that kiss. 

Ah well... we take what we can get from Hollywood.

Shadar

I suppose the closest we may have seen of that was in tv's version of Supergirl where Kara is in prison and manages to get from one end of the cell block to the other whilst taking on and easily taking out the mob of p'd off prisoners in her way and along her way (no guns, of course - not that it would matter to her.)
She then ripped open the steel gates before welding them shut tight behind her with her heat vision.

The scene's cool, but the overall movie is incredibly stupid!!

Besson (writer/director auteur) took a couple of incredibly STUPID ideas and smashed them together. Like a particle accelerator making anti-protons, the collision sucked intelligence out of the universe, spreading a wave of stupidity across the realm of the Big Bang. When this crap hits Arcturus, the little green guys are gonna give up on humanity!

He then half-baked them in a toxic stew of even more incredibly STUPID ideas. Which have nothing to do with each other.

And also, nothing to do with the original stupid premise. No logical connection at all, despite the assurances of Professor Nowitellyou, PhD in Bullshit Exposition.

To prove that he's a very French Artiste Auteur, he then padded out the crappy little tale, not enough there for even a short story, with leftover Animal Documentaries.

The only two good things about Lucy are some impressive effects around Scarlet. And that it's all over really fast, under an hour and a half.

And this comes from someone who has The Fifth Element as one of my all-time favorite films!
There are many FAR better Mega-Superwoman Origin Stories right here. I praised a new one earlier this week!

Monty wrote:

shadar wrote:

Mental powers over physical. Impressive as hell. 

But not nearly as visceral as the scene would have been with Kryptonian-esq powers, IMHO. Bullets bouncing from her skin, face, her hair flying, punches and kicks demolishing the bad guys, crushing their guns in her bare hands, and then a flying tackle to grab the guy with the case while smashing through the end of the hallway. And then the final bit with her retrieving the bag of drugs with her clothing mostly shot off... and then that kiss. 

Ah well... we take what we can get from Hollywood.

Shadar

I suppose the closest we may have seen of that was in tv's version of Supergirl where Kara is in prison and manages to get from one end of the cell block to the other whilst taking on and easily taking out the mob of p'd off prisoners in her way and along her way (no guns, of course - not that it would matter to her.)
She then ripped open the steel gates before welding them shut tight behind her with her heat vision.

Said "fight" scene for those who may have missed it. The action starts about a minute into the clip.

murdough wrote:

 

Said "fight" scene for those who may have missed it. The action starts about a minute into the clip.
 

Thanks for posting that. Again, lousy writing! The eye beam welding is cool. Why wouldn't she just fly up to the ceiling of the hall, and over the heads of the prisoners?

AUphoric wrote:

The scene's cool, but the overall movie is incredibly stupid!!

Besson (writer/director auteur) took a couple of incredibly STUPID ideas and smashed them together. Like a particle accelerator making anti-protons, the collision sucked intelligence out of the universe, spreading a wave of stupidity across the realm of the Big Bang. When this crap hits Arcturus, the little green guys are gonna give up on humanity!

He then half-baked them in a toxic stew of even more incredibly STUPID ideas. Which have nothing to do with each other.

And also, nothing to do with the original stupid premise. No logical connection at all, despite the assurances of Professor Nowitellyou, PhD in Bullshit Exposition.

To prove that he's a very French Artiste Auteur, he then padded out the crappy little tale, not enough there for even a short story, with leftover Animal Documentaries.

The only two good things about Lucy are some impressive effects around Scarlet. And that it's all over really fast, under an hour and a half.

And this comes from someone who has The Fifth Element as one of my all-time favorite films!
There are many FAR better Mega-Superwoman Origin Stories right here. I praised a new one earlier this week!

It's fantasy, which is what this genre is all about. Deal with it.

Monty wrote:

It's fantasy, which is what this genre is all about. Deal with it.
 

I enjoy a lot of fantasy stories. Including superwomen stories. With a veneer of pseudo-science on top, to make it a kind of science fiction. Or without that, for it all to just be mysterious magic, or the ways of the gods.

If my "dealing with it" skills were defective, I'd not have shared tens of thousands of words I wrote myself in a fantasy genre, working pretty hard at trying to have my stories add up, make sense, follow through on structure, payoff, character and theme. I'd have not farted around with quite a few silly, very imperfect but fun for me fantasy photo edits to share here.

My problem is with nonsensical, bad storytelling in any genre. Bad storytelling that takes dumb worthless premises, and that glues them together in a way that makes no sense within the fantasy rules of the fantasy storytelling.

It's no just me. Look up review of Lucy, compared to reviews of, say Avengers Endgame.

For Lucy, reviews said, exact quotes here: Silly. Logic gaps. Improbable turns. Inane. Idiotic. Goofy. Mindless. Mixed up. Strains suspension of disbelief. Ideas are laughable. Limited payoff. Goes completely off the rails.
Audience poll: C+. Rotten Tomatoes average: 67%. Nominated for 8 awards, won a 2nd place and a 3rd place actress award for Johansson.
Not my words here, the critical consensus. Most people also said it is fun, despite the plot holes.

For Endgame, reviews said things like: Emotionally impactful. Rewarding loyalty. Emotional punch. Climactic surge of feeling. Heartfelt and satisfying.
Audience poll: A+. Rotten Tomatoes: 94%.
Again, not my words here.
Over one hundred award nominations, won dozens, including several Best Movie awards (action, science fiction & fantasy, fantasy adventure, Hollywood blockbuster), best hero, best villian, some more actor awards. As well as won a lot of special effects and technical production awards.
And of course, some people didn't like it.

It's not that I or the people who think Endgame is better than Lucy need to "deal with" Lucy being a sci-fi-fantasy.

It's that we've recognized, along with most viewers, that Lucy's a cool looking but pretty bad movie, with the writing being especially bad, while Endgame's a cool looking and unusually good movie, with the writing being especially good.

I can point out that a McDonald's hamburger is pretty bad, nutritionally, without that making someone who hates restaurants. Lucy is the refrozen soy-patty of epic fantasy-sci-fi. Entertaining for a moment, but within two hours, the emptiness is obvious.

Deal with that!

Agree that Lucy was a bad movie with a few good moments and that Fifth Element is a masterpiece, although I had to grow into Chris Tucker as Ruby Rhod. It’s hilarious watching Chris trying to play off Bruce Willis. But Milla steals the show.

Despite loving fantasy, there are still good and bad fantasy depictions. 

Shadar

shadar wrote:

It’s hilarious watching Chris trying to play off Bruce Willis.
 

Shameless meets Awkward. That whole sequence cracks me up.

"Milla steals the show." (I haven't figured out how to do multiple quotes.)

Oh yeah! A wonderfully hot superwoman, even though Multipass is her biggest power until the ending.

AUphoric wrote:

shadar wrote:

It’s hilarious watching Chris trying to play off Bruce Willis.

 

Shameless meets Awkward. That whole sequence cracks me up.

"Milla steals the show." (I haven't figured out how to do multiple quotes.)

Oh yeah! A wonderfully hot superwoman, even though Multipass is her biggest power until the ending.

Her effortless backhand sends the most dangerous aliens flying backwards, out of the fight. And Mangalore's never quit until they are out cold. But getting punched by one of the Supreme Beings is nothing to sneeze at.

Milla was only 19 when filming, but she seemed to have a lot of fun with the role.

Oh, and she started sleeping with much older Luc during the film, very French, and then married him. All while he was seeing the fantasy he'd started to write when he was barely 16 finally realized on the screen, creating his fantasy heroine. I suspect Luc remembers this movie and all its trappings very fondly. 

Shadar



Shadar

AUphoric wrote:

Monty wrote:

It's fantasy, which is what this genre is all about. Deal with it.

 

I enjoy a lot of fantasy stories. Including superwomen stories. With a veneer of pseudo-science on top, to make it a kind of science fiction. Or without that, for it all to just be mysterious magic, or the ways of the gods.

If my "dealing with it" skills were defective, I'd not have shared tens of thousands of words I wrote myself in a fantasy genre, working pretty hard at trying to have my stories add up, make sense, follow through on structure, payoff, character and theme. I'd have not farted around with quite a few silly, very imperfect but fun for me fantasy photo edits to share here.

My problem is with nonsensical, bad storytelling in any genre. Bad storytelling that takes dumb worthless premises, and that glues them together in a way that makes no sense within the fantasy rules of the fantasy storytelling.

It's no just me. Look up review of Lucy, compared to reviews of, say Avengers Endgame.

For Lucy, reviews said, exact quotes here: Silly. Logic gaps. Improbable turns. Inane. Idiotic. Goofy. Mindless. Mixed up. Strains suspension of disbelief. Ideas are laughable. Limited payoff. Goes completely off the rails.
Audience poll: C+. Rotten Tomatoes average: 67%. Nominated for 8 awards, won a 2nd place and a 3rd place actress award for Johansson.
Not my words here, the critical consensus. Most people also said it is fun, despite the plot holes.

For Endgame, reviews said things like: Emotionally impactful. Rewarding loyalty. Emotional punch. Climactic surge of feeling. Heartfelt and satisfying.
Audience poll: A+. Rotten Tomatoes: 94%.
Again, not my words here.
Over one hundred award nominations, won dozens, including several Best Movie awards (action, science fiction & fantasy, fantasy adventure, Hollywood blockbuster), best hero, best villian, some more actor awards. As well as won a lot of special effects and technical production awards.
And of course, some people didn't like it.

It's not that I or the people who think Endgame is better than Lucy need to "deal with" Lucy being a sci-fi-fantasy.

It's that we've recognized, along with most viewers, that Lucy's a cool looking but pretty bad movie, with the writing being especially bad, while Endgame's a cool looking and unusually good movie, with the writing being especially good.

I can point out that a McDonald's hamburger is pretty bad, nutritionally, without that making someone who hates restaurants. Lucy is the refrozen soy-patty of epic fantasy-sci-fi. Entertaining for a moment, but within two hours, the emptiness is obvious.

Deal with that!

I do not care for your thoughts. When you see a good juxtaposition, you should recognise and appreciate.

AUphoric wrote:

murdough wrote:

 

Said "fight" scene for those who may have missed it. The action starts about a minute into the clip.




 

Thanks for posting that. Again, lousy writing! The eye beam welding is cool. Why wouldn't she just fly up to the ceiling of the hall, and over the heads of the prisoners?

Ha … because that would be boring.  I take scenes featuring women showcasing superhuman strength and invulnerability where I can get them as they aren’t exactly frequent these days.  If she had just flown over the guys we would not have seen her toss and throw men around like it’s nothing for her.  So for that I am grateful.  We all have different preferences, but mine has always been for superwomen to defeat men using raw super strength rather than “powers.”

ballen wrote:

AUphoric wrote:

murdough wrote:

 

Said "fight" scene for those who may have missed it. The action starts about a minute into the clip.





 

Thanks for posting that. Again, lousy writing! The eye beam welding is cool. Why wouldn't she just fly up to the ceiling of the hall, and over the heads of the prisoners?

Ha … because that would be boring.  I take scenes featuring women showcasing superhuman strength and invulnerability where I can get them as they aren’t exactly frequent these days.  If she had just flown over the guys we would not have seen her toss and throw men around like it’s nothing for her.  So for that I am grateful.  We all have different preferences, but mine has always been for superwomen to defeat men using raw super strength rather than “powers.”

For Kara to take them all out by sliding through them all on the floor was pretty awesome. She had already carried out the 'hard' part of her journey by smashing the unfortunate few back into their cells. She was probably bored by then!

Monty wrote:

For Kara to take them all out by sliding through them all on the floor was pretty awesome.
 

Alright, I can go for that! I guess even a Supergirl likes some variety now and then!

 

Edited

At first I was defensive against the obvious, and obviously unfounded, ad hominem attack on me. But I gave it more attention than deserved.

It's not just my opinion. Millions of ticket buyers, thousands of polled audience members, hundreds of film awards associations, a statistically valid sampling of opinion, shows that in exacly the same genre, some films are acclaimed, some criticized, for their writing.

If your point is, "I don't care if the film is bad overall, I just like this scene." - Fine with me!
If your point is, "Despite the very widespread disparagement of Lucy, I loved every moment of it. Animal footage, Professor Psychobabble, logic leaps, it's all great entertainment for me!" - Fine with me!

If your point is, "I'm in a discussion forum about personal opinions in a fiction genre that's all about personal taste and opinions - but, I hate it when someone has personal taste and opinions different than mine - refuse to have good natured dialogue in good faith - refuse to enjoy exchanging perspectives - I don't get it! What the hell is the point of a discussion that consists of one person (that would be you) sticking fingers in ears and shouting, "I can't hear you because your opinion is different than mine!"

If your point is, "I'm your moral superior, the psychic revealer and judge of your thoughts, feelings, and inadequacies, here to scold you until you destroy your own opinions and replace them what I order you to believe" - HELL NO.