Crisis on Infinite Earths air dates

Neither this week's Supergirl or Batwoman made mention of the Crisis. However, the stinger to tonight's Flash season 6 premiere had this little tidbit, including the date(in universe) of the final battle. The countdown begins. Spoiler warning.

I think Flash and mainly Arrow, will be the shows that set up Crisis.  Legends doesn't start til AFTER Christmas, with its first episode being the final part of Crisis.

Supergirl's episode was "ok", though tbh, not to sure what Lena's motivation is, apart from just spite now.  Which I think would be a disservice to her, but its only been one episode.

I couldn't even make it through Batwoman tbh.  I started, I really did.  But I made it about 5 mins in, and turned it off.

The crossover is probably the most interesting thing left with these shows (apart from Legends, which is awesome fun )

Peace.

/K

Group shot on the Waverider set, including our first look at the ever versatile Tom Cavanagh as Pariah. From all indications, he's doing triple duty(at least), playing the newest version of Harrison Wells to join Team Flash, Eobard Thawne aka the Reverse Flash, and a Harrison Wells who comes to call himself Pariah, a key character from Crisis on Infinite Earths

 

Seeing some of these characters really makes me smile.

Hard pass on Supergirl's new look and costume though.

And boy did they miss on Harbinger.
It's like they are afraid of the source material.

I've given up on pretty much ANY female superhero having a costume that:

a) looks like their comic book counterpart
b) shows ANY skin at ALL

Dressing them in burkas is probably the next step.

Those days of Lynda Carter being in that awesome bathing suit costume are long gone.

Just like Supergirl's skirt.

Peace.

/K

kikass2014 wrote: I've given up on pretty much ANY female superhero having a costume that:

a) looks like their comic book counterpart
b) shows ANY skin at ALL

Dressing them in burkas is probably the next step.

Those days of Lynda Carter being in that awesome bathing suit costume are long gone.

Just like Supergirl's skirt.

Peace.

/K

I agree completely. Times and acceptable social customs always change over the generations. Live long enough, and you won't understand anything that young people are thinking, even when you try. 

But it's always been this way. It was just way more fun when I was young and was part of the changes, and I was complaining about the "old farts and their outdated ideas". Now I am one of them, pining for tiny skirts and sexy costumes stretched tightly over outrageously exaggerated figures because that's how comics used to be when they were great (IMHO). 

Imagine how much it would suck to live forever. 

Shadar

Huge mistake on the part of the producers.

www.kryptonsite.com/laura-vandervoort-ha...z96hhlLvdtr_NntCsNo4

While it would have been nice to see her in crossover, I'm guessing there were probably any number of factors as to why she wasn't asked.

Cost, scheduling, or maybe the CW didn't want Melissa as Supergirl being overshadowed.

She has been on Supergirl the show (as Brainiac in season 1 if i remember right), so I'm guessing its a conscious decision, rather then an oversight.

Additionally, the cast for the crossover seems enormous as it is, so maybe that was a consideration also.

Would be fun if she does make an appearance and they are keeping it under wraps

Just my 2 cents.

Peace.

/K

kikass2014 wrote: While it would have been nice to see her in crossover, I'm guessing there were probably any number of factors as to why she wasn't asked.

Cost, scheduling, or maybe the CW didn't want Melissa as Supergirl being overshadowed.

She has been on Supergirl the show (as Brainiac in season 1 if i remember right), so I'm guessing its a conscious decision, rather then an oversight.

Additionally, the cast for the crossover seems enormous as it is, so maybe that was a consideration also.

Would be fun if she does make an appearance and they are keeping it under wraps

Just my 2 cents.

Peace.

/K

Laura dressed in a traditional SG costume standing next to Melissa in her new body-suit would be radical. Melissa has an interesting personality, but Laura was born to play a Kryptonian. 

Shame we won't get to see her. I mean, how do you beat this?




Shadar

Yup, totally agree. An awesome looking woman.

Love her

Peace.

/K

It's a shame Vandervoort was not invited to join in the Crisis story line. Maybe there was no room for her in the story - fine - but I'd like to know if the writer's considered her and what their reasons were for not including her if they did consider her. I have my own prejudices I'm trying to manage. She looks fantastic today (just check out her Instagram) and would be great with a "S" on her chest ( www.deviantart.com/artofsw/art/Supergirl...andervoort-252427615 ) skirt or no skirt. However, maybe that worked against her as some have suggested.

I've enjoyed the first two episodes of SG this season well enough as a "waste of time/watch the NASCAR wreck" show. I will say it's like watching "some other" superhero - not "my" Supergirl or even Superwoman. Nothing absurdly preachy yet. The plot holes are still gaping chasms - but it's a hero show - whatever. Dreamer is worthless. Brainy is wasted. Guardian is/was back. There has been some retread on themes and acting - but it's season 5.

I've not watched Batwoman - I'm also a Batman universe fan - but I'll pass.except for maybe on Crisis night.

As far as the new outfit: First I just have to say: Long live the skirt! As Shadar has alluded to - this show just wasn't meant for me. I feel like a broken record but I could actually handle the new suit if it wasn't for the even *more* muted S/ and the bangs. What burns me the most was being fed the early line that the suit was because Melissa was cold. I call complete and utter bull. One: She's still cold - as seen my the heavy jackets in on set photos and two articles that have come out with first person interviews: www.themarysue.com/supergirl-new-costume-bangs/ www.insider.com/cw-supergirl-costume-des...nts-interview-2019-9

Melissa wanted a "sophisticated" supergirl? Maybe she should look up the definition. However, we've sure got a sophisticated sophisticant of a Supergirl.

In a distressing to me trend and commentary on society worldwide villains continue to carry shows and movies. In this case the Luthor family caries Supergirl and gets the best writing, story, and presence.

[Edit] I'll also say in an attempt to maybe make this show for everyone they've made it for almost no one (even by CW standards) and the ratings are showing it. tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/supergirl-season-five-ratings/ Batwoman is doing even worse for a new/fresh show. Will it even make it to/past Crisis!

I have no idea what CW is up to, but it doesn't seem to work re: Supergirl. 

I thought at first it was because I was too damn old, but I've ALWAYS been a fan of superheroiines, now as much as when I was a kid, with DC characters more than Marvel, and Supergirl most of all. So why would a Supergirl show be in Season 5 which always always irritates me and rarely pleases me, and only the Luthors delight me? That makes no sense, generational sensitivities or not.

I mean, I truly enjoyed the WW movie, so I'm not off in some odd corner of fandom.

It breaks my heart the way they are squandering opportunities to bring one of the great comic book heroines to life 

The only way I can enjoy the show these last few seasons is to lose myself in the terrible degenerate splendor of the Luthors, and root for them. I do believe that the scripting and characterization for the Luthor family is the best that has ever made it to the big or small screen. That's something.

I say, keep it honest and rename the show The Luthors and it would make perfect sense. The strongly-drawn Luthor characters and a bunch of flawed good guys surrounding them to make it dramatic. Make a minor tweak where the Luthors win the battle of good and evil, and the show could be great fun. 

There were several depictions in previous work where Supergirl was aligned with the Luthors, one way or another. We had Laura V/Kara working as Lex's bodyguard when he was President in Smallville. We had Mae/Supergirl in a romantic and business relationship with Luthor in the books. Both those depictions were fun. Not to mention the Elseworlds issue I've attached an image from below. I wouldn't mind seeing another take on that, given we aren't going to see a true Supergirl show.  

Maybe in this day and age the Luthors are a stronger message anyway. 

Here's Kara, arriving with the limo containing her boss, Lex Luthor. 

 
Shadar 

Random321 wrote: [Edit] I'll also say in an attempt to maybe make this show for everyone they've made it for almost no one (even by CW standards) and the ratings are showing it. tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/supergirl-season-five-ratings/ Batwoman is doing even worse for a new/fresh show. Will it even make it to/past Crisis!

Batwoman did worse in the 18-49 target demographic than Supergirl (they were the two worst shows in that regard on Sunday night), but Batwoman got 1.46 million overall viewers against Siupergirl's 0.97.  

Which says Batwoman is stronger in either the under 18 or the over 49 segments. 

In any case, both are very weak, whether that's the show or the competition.  

Heck... Bob's Burgers had more viewers than either. Bob's Burgers?

Shadar

shadar wrote: I mean, I truly enjoyed the WW movie, so I'm not off in some odd corner of fandom.

That is actually a fantastic gut check that I/we are not completely off our rockers and something really is weird about it all... ...I mean I'm a border line millennial for crying out loud I'm only half dust.

At the risk of perhaps derailing the thread a bit, the reason Supergirl and Batwoman basically suck, is they are not shows written to entertain.

As spoken about, ad nausem I would imagine by now, on these forums, they are shows written to push an agenda.  Supergirl in particular.

Hmm, election happening in Supergirl, I wonder where else an election is taking place soon?  "Get out there and vote kids, but only vote for the person Supergirl tells you too vote for!"

Dreamer is worthless. Brainy is wasted. Guardian is/was back. There has been some retread on themes and acting - but it's season 5.

This to a tee.  What was the point of introducing Dreamer if you aren't really gonna do anything with the character?  Oh, gotta tick that trans box on the checklist.

Brainy I imagine was there to replace Winn as the "tech guy".  But again, there isn't really a character there.

Alex Danvers OMG.  An interesting character in season 1, with what looked like a deep history with Jonn, nah, shes a lesbian now and thats all.  Move along.

Batwoman is even worse.  I mean, geez, just look at the marketing and build to it before it launched.  "Women are amazing, we can do everything, we don't need no man!"*

The problem with Batwoman is, on top of that message (alienating 50% of your target audience), the show is just complete trash.  Crap story, crap characters, and a main character who is a super Mary Sue.

There is literally nowhere for that character to go.  There is no room for growth, development, tension, etc.  She can be anywhere, do anything, no problem.

Couple that with the fact that you have an incredibly awful actress in Ruby Rose (THE MAIN CHARACTER), who can't even emote past "smug glare", and yup,  your show is in trouble.

But never fear, I guarantee the CW will renew Batwoman for 50 seasons in the next few weeks lol   Can't be seen canceling a show that is headlined by a woman.  A LESBIAN woman at that.  No sir.

I could go on for a lot longer, but I will stop there.

I know people don't like discussing politics, ideology, etc.  and that's fair enough.

But if you want to know why these shows suck, its right there.

Peace.

/K


*Except when you steal all his stuff and pass it off as your own.

kikass2014 wrote: At the risk of perhaps derailing the thread a bit, the reason Supergirl and Batwoman basically suck, is they are not shows written to entertain.

As spoken about, ad nausem I would imagine by now, on these forums, they are shows written to push an agenda.  Supergirl in particular.

Hmm, election happening in Supergirl, I wonder where else an election is taking place soon?  "Get out there and vote kids, but only vote for the person Supergirl tells you too vote for!"

Dreamer is worthless. Brainy is wasted. Guardian is/was back. There has been some retread on themes and acting - but it's season 5.

This to a tee.  What was the point of introducing Dreamer if you aren't really gonna do anything with the character?  Oh, gotta tick that trans box on the checklist.

Brainy I imagine was there to replace Winn as the "tech guy".  But again, there isn't really a character there.

Alex Danvers OMG.  An interesting character in season 1, with what looked like a deep history with Jonn, nah, shes a lesbian now and thats all.  Move along.

Batwoman is even worse.  I mean, geez, just look at the marketing and build to it before it launched.  "Women are amazing, we can do everything, we don't need no man!"*

The problem with Batwoman is, on top of that message (alienating 50% of your target audience), the show is just complete trash.  Crap story, crap characters, and a main character who is a super Mary Sue.

There is literally nowhere for that character to go.  There is no room for growth, development, tension, etc.  She can be anywhere, do anything, no problem.

Couple that with the fact that you have an incredibly awful actress in Ruby Rose (THE MAIN CHARACTER), who can't even emote past "smug glare", and yup,  your show is in trouble.

But never fear, I guarantee the CW will renew Batwoman for 50 seasons in the next few weeks lol   Can't be seen canceling a show that is headlined by a woman.  A LESBIAN woman at that.  No sir.

I could go on for a lot longer, but I will stop there.

I know people don't like discussing politics, ideology, etc.  and that's fair enough.

But if you want to know why these shows suck, its right there.

Peace.

/K


*Except when you steal all his stuff and pass it off as your own.

All I'll say is that if CW is a propagandist (and that's what you are describing), they are really, really, really bad at it. The election is 13 months away and they are currently losing chunks of their primary demographic. 

Which means if they continue on this path they will also lose advertising revenue (the show earns via their market share) over that period and have less influence (fewer viewers) and will probably get cancelled. 

Like all corporations, CW has a fiduciary responsibility to their stock holders, which is managed by their Board. They are going to have to prove these shows make money to keep them on the air. And with Amazon and Disney and Apple about to flood the Net with immense amounts of new streaming shows, CW is going to have a very tough time the next year or two. Too tough to carry shows that aren't earning their way. 

Shadar

All I'll say is that if CW is a propagandist (and that's what you are describing), they are really, really, really bad at it. The election is 13 months away and they are currently losing chunks of their primary demographic.

Oh I totally agree with you Shadar.  They are terrible at it.

In my mind though, I don't see it changing.  If anything, I would imagine they would double down and try and "spin it" in the shill media.  I mean, Batwoman had appalling ratings for a:

1) Comic book show
2) A NEW show
3) Linked to already established shows

By comparison, Arrow got around 4 million viewers on its debut; Flash got around the same, and even Supergirl pulled in 3 million.  Yet all the articles after the pilot of Batwoman came out, spun it as "that's a solid rating".

The truth is, no its not a "solid" rating. And it will go down.  The pilot nearly always gets the most views, primarily down to the "curiosity factor".

And certainly with Apple+; Disney and a whole host of other streaming services coming out soon, yeah, that is a very real problem for the CW.

Peace.

/K

kikass2014 wrote:

The truth is, no its not a "solid" rating. And it will go down.  The pilot nearly always gets the most views, primarily down to the "curiosity factor".

And certainly with Apple+; Disney and a whole host of other streaming services coming out soon, yeah, that is a very real problem for the CW.

/K

Yea, those #'s for a new show are pathetic.  Supergirl's ratings pretty much scream that they show is on the wrong track and that people aren't even giving it a chance this season.  I've yet to watch it.  I was told by a friend that I "had" to watch the first Flash episode ... and it was ok, meh.  And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.   (I'm a huge fan, and stupid though the entire thing was, I was smiling throughout that.  Probably not enough to make me keep up with Flash but...)

And there is too much competition.  I've got a lot of things in my queue to watch, and all of it's better than Supergirl.   If Supergirl, wasn't _Supergirl_ I'd have no interest, but my obsession keeps me paying attention.

I'd rather watch Titans S2 than Supergirl, and Titans S1 was far from perfect.  Honestly, someone posted about the anime Magical Spec Ops Girl Asuka, which led me to picking up VRV and watching a LOT of anime.  They tend to be silly-fun,and that goes a long way with me, I don't need grim-dark entertainment when I can turn on the news.  I honestly have no interstest in the new Joker movie for that reason, but will probably force myself to go see it so I can judge it for myself.  Personally, I'm mad that I forgot that this week was the Fathom Event for Jay and Slient Bob Reboot as that is probably two hours of STUPID STUPID STUPID fun.  + Melissa Benoist in a super-heroine costume with Pants as Kevin Smith did it first.)

Which is why Doom Patrol and Legends are my favorite DC shows (and Legends was losing it's steam last year.)

Crisis OTH,I'm tuning in for it.  (CW: Please don't screw it up.)

.... And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.

That was one of the best and most hilarious Flash sequences I've seen the entire series  

I love the show, though it certainly has gone downhill a lot since the amazing 1st and 2nd season imo.

Twice I recommend watching Joker for NO other reason then Phoenix's performance.  It really is a masterclass.  The film is meh tbh, but his performance elevates the whole thing.

Totally agree that there is a LOT of competition now, even in the comic book genre.  I'm not really a grim and dark man either tbh, but The Boys is pretty good.  Plus, you have Disney's Mandelorian coming out, which looks great imo.

Also, I'm really digging Stumptown atm.  LOVE Cobbie Smulders, and will forever be bummed out that she never got to play Wonder Woman in Whedon's planned version.  But the series is also good fun, based on the graphic novels bu Greg Rucka for you comic book nerds  

Peace.

/K

Ladies and gents, our first official image of the Anti-Monitor

kikass2014 wrote:

.... And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.

That was one of the best and most hilarious Flash sequences I've seen the entire series  

I love the show, though it certainly has gone downhill a lot since the amazing 1st and 2nd season imo.

Twice I recommend watching Joker for NO other reason then Phoenix's performance.  It really is a masterclass.  The film is meh tbh, but his performance elevates the whole thing.

Totally agree that there is a LOT of competition now, even in the comic book genre.  I'm not really a grim and dark man either tbh, but The Boys is pretty good.  Plus, you have Disney's Mandelorian coming out, which looks great imo.

Also, I'm really digging Stumptown atm.  LOVE Cobbie Smulders, and will forever be bummed out that she never got to play Wonder Woman in Whedon's planned version.  But the series is also good fun, based on the graphic novels bu Greg Rucka for you comic book nerds  

Peace.

/K

I’m sorta surprised they waited until this season to pull that stunt on Flash... but it will be one of my favorite scenes for the show for it’s entire run.  Flash does seem to have a lost some of it’s spark.  Not sure what it is.  When thinking about that scene I thought “That’s the most Cisco thing Cisco has done in a long while...”  and somewhere in that thought is a thread on what’s wrong with Flash I think.  Maybe it had too many characters on the show, a bit too much drama, and too much focus on bringing Barry down.  They do seem to be shedding people.  (No Wells this year?)

Stumptown is on my list due to Smulders!  I  hadn’t read the Greg Rucka Graphic Novel but it’s sitting on my desk right now. Rucka is generally pretty good,  And I do like non-superhero comics (Brubaker’s Criminal is really good).  Maybe I’ll queue Stumptown up this weekend.  (Rucka also seems pretty pleased with the show and the casting and that also makes me think better of a show when they can make the creator happy.)

Pheonix is really the only reason I think I can watch Joker. He’s always awesome and it looks like he is doing his job on the trailers.   Stumptown might win over it this weekend though.

I loved the Boys. It’s the right blend of dark/humor/twisted/creepy.  (I”ve also read the comic back in the day.) That’s saves it from feeling too dark to me.

 I found a lot of Supergirl last year depressing... a show about Supergirl should not be depressing!!   Now Lex.  Lex was fun.

In a conversation about misc things, a friend and i bought up a Jim Carrey movie that is years before Ace Ventura, the movie “Once Bitten”.  I just remember it being wonderfully silly (very 80’s).  Things not only have to compete with new stuff, but with the advent of Netflix/Hulu/WB/Amazon, a lot of old shows and movies are now easily available and ... spending time watching them might be more enjoyable than watching something new.  And while I thought that I was pretty good at keeping up with all the things I liked, I constantly find some movie/tv show that somehow slipped by my radar back in the day, or is finally now streaming.

I remember i was upset that the only copy of WIllow I could find was a bootleg import from Germany ... until they re-released it for it’s anniversary.  That’s a movie it’d tell anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch for the sheer fun (and Joanne Whalley!).  There are 100’s of things like that.

Our first teaser.

couple new stills including our first look at Clark and Lois's newborn child. Also for those unaware, the blond woman with Oliver Queen in the third image is Mia Smoak, as played by Katherine McNamara, his daughter. She was born during the Arrow season 7 finale and had been featured in the flashforwards taking place in 2040 that had ran during that season. Last week, she, her half brother William Clayton, and Connor Hawke(son of Bronze Tiger and eventually adopted by John Diggle) arrived in the present, presumably at the hands of the Monitor. She's also slated to star in a backdoor pilot for a new spinoff titled Green Arrow & the Canaries, which will air as Arrow's second-to-last episode.

And on a somewhat somber note, filming on Arrow has come to an end this week. They've finished filming the final episode and the stars have been leaving their farewells, including this one from Stephen Amell. Say what you will about the occasional lapse in quality. Trust me, there are moments that damn near made me quit watching. But did anyone ever expect to see a live action Crisis on Infinite Earths, or anything like we've seen over the last 8 years? Smallville paved the way, but Arrow got it going.