Suicide Squad

lfan wrote: Just passed 630M worldwide, as per BoxOfficeMojo:

www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=dc2016.htm

ElF

oh you beat me to it!! Darn you!!!

Said i would update my stats and i have



Suicide Squad has now made more money then Half of Marvel movies. its made more money then Thor, AntMan and yes the First Two Iron movies that started it. Its made more domestically then Winter Solder though foreign sales means its overall a bit less overall.

Its right now in its forth week about 10 million dollars from Thor 2: Dark World-and is almostly certainly going to pass it by next week(the big story in the second week was a drop off, but its actually keeping its money well in the last 3). There is a decent chance its going to make more then the First Man of Steel., maybe a small chance it does as well as Winter Soldier.

Profitiability wise-its made more then any of the DC movies-which is still just okay compared to the Marvel tends, but good. Its close here to Iron Man 2 (which had a lower budget)


But yes it is a more profitable movie overall then the First Iron Man Movie that started the series.

Going to see where this keeps going, especially as foreign markets lag in. Its probabbly not going to make top top numbers-there is a big ways before it makes avengers money-but as the first movie in a series its done pretty damm well-the only movie that really beats it is GOTG.

All this on a movie that was largely sold on A Female Protaginist.

Certainly admirable, and most definatly more then I thought it would pull in. But not without precedent

Transformer: Revenge of the Fallen ---- (RT Score) 19% ---- (BO Gross) = $836,303,693

Transformers: Age of Extinction ---- (RT Score) 18% ---- (BO Gross) = $1,104,054,072

Castor called it pretty good, saying it would probably reach $100 million in profit. And depending on what source you believe, it is either in the black or slightly in the red (a source from WB has been quoted as SS needing $750 million to break even, but that depends on if you believe the source as legit).

Peace.

/K

I'm probably in the minority, but I think Transformers is probably the crappiest and worst movie franchise of all time.

I am right there with you buddy. Transformers is a stinking pile of horseshit and Micheal Bay is probably one of the worst directors ever

While I'm certainly not in the boardroom, I find it very hard to believe that almost any movie would have to do 4X of BO-Budget to "break even".

Determining the break-even point of a film from the outside is most certainly guess-timation territory for sure, as there are so many variables to account for. One thing is to assume that with big films like this, the production budget, as listed, is just to make the film. More than likely the advertising budget for a film like this (according to some sources) is in the region of $175 – 200 million.

With that in mind, you are looking at the film needing to recoup (let’s take the high end) $375 million to break-even. So at $700 million that’s only 2X its production cost, not 4X (I’ve met investors that required a 10x return on projects before they invest).

Like you say, the studio does not get the entire takings. Domestic is 50% (approx.) and foreign varies from 40% to 25% (approx.) depending on region. Let’s assume 50% both home and away, ignoring regional variation.

It also gets slightly more complicated with certain actors/directors/producers. Like Tom Cruise, for example, gets 1-2% of the total box office gross. I don’t know what Will Smith’s contract states, so this could be moot point. But it would mean they make less at the box office in terms of profit if he does have a similar clause. The rest of the cast and crew I would imagine don’t have the star power to demand such a clause.

So, assuming no actor/director/producer clauses, napkin math shows $700,000,000 / 2 = $375,000,000

Thus, SS, at this moment in time, is on the break-even point or slightly in the black. Which is good in that it did not lose money, but bad in that it did not return any money to the investors.

Factoring in DVD/BR sales, merchandise licensing, etc. (again studios do not get the entire share), let’s say they make $100,000,000 - $200,000,000. That’s the profit from the SS film. Which is why I said Castor was pretty close when he called it.

Again, this is not science, just guesses and logical deductions based on known facts.

Peace.

/K

P.S.

Except Gravity.....no one can convince me that Gravity wasn't as bad as I thought it was. ::

An interesting discussion I would like to have with you one day about how bad you thought it was and why

This is what I call "Hollywood Accounting"

How is it possible for a movie that makes over what you spent on it to be considered a flop?

Years ago there was a Eddie Murphy movie called "Coming to America"
It was a huge hit.
A famous journalist, whose name escapes me, sued the producers claiming they stole the idea he pitched to them.
The production company accountants "proved" the movie made no money and the case was dropped.

How is it possible for a movie that makes over what you spent on it to be considered a flop?

Investor thinking goes something like this:

As an investor I have $10 to invest. Product A says I will make $50 return if I invest $10. Product B says I will make $100 return if I invest $10.

1) I invest $10 in Product A and make $50. Success.
2) I invest $10 in Product B and make $30. Fail.

In both cases I made more then I put in. But if I had invested in Product A I would have made MORE, even though the top end return was lower.

A crude example for sure, but I hope it illustrates the point.

Peace.

/K

Again, it's all how Warner Brothers DECIDES to look at it. I have a feeling they'll look at 700-800M worldwide and count that as a "success" 9 times out of 10.

Totally agree.

And yes, when it comes to taxes and stuff, yes, studios use "creative accounting" to show how much they should pay.

With regards to this thread, the underlying question and answer is:

"Will WB continue to make DCEU films?" Answer: "Yes" ($700,000,000 is still bank)

And really that's pretty much all that's left to say I guess. \O/

Peace.

/K