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I'm also worried about other characters, especially Power Girl and Zatanna. After decades of bad writing these two characters were finally able to have some good time, if a reset comes there's no telling how things will end for them. I fear a return to the "I'm not sure where I came from" version of PG.
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On the one hand, my five year old little girl is a very good reader and I was thinking about buying her some DC comics. However, where in the heck would you start? The past is so complicated and it would take much too long to explain to her what happened, why that superhero did that, etc... With them rebooting to #1 it might be a chance for her to pick it up. For my daughter's sake, I like the idea of females wearing "practical" costumes (i.e. pants) also so she doesn't get the wrong idea about what type of clothing is "appropiate." (<-Call me a prude if you want, it's my daughter I'm talking about here.)
On the other hand, it just seems wrong to throw away decades of history. If I was a long time subscriber of one of the DC books and found out that all the books I've spent years collecting suddenly were "retconned" out and never happened, I think I might be more than a little upset. Plus, can you imagine Wonder Woman without her star spangled "swimsuit" costume? Or worse, Powergirl without her white, cleavage inducing costume? As a guy, I don't think I want to...
It certainly looks like a desperate gambit to lure new readership to the titles (I wonder how the digital versions are going to work?). I just don't know if it is going to work...
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It seems like a cheap parlor trick and a quick and dirty way to nab as many readers right away, just for curiosity sake. I hate the Superman/WW romance and the fact everyone gets the new costumes. Even worse, the fact that they are releasing the comics digitally the same day is yet another nail in the coffin of your local comic book shop retailers who are already suffering!
Finally, and this might be a good thing, is the announcement of 52 titles!?!? OK, they have roughly 30-35 titles now and they plan to add another 20+?? And that is assuming that ALL the current titles continue. While I relish seeing some characters (e.g. Wondergirl, Lois Lane, Legion of Super Villains) getting there own titles, I'm hard pressed to think of another 15 or so. I certainly they don't go the Marvel route and just fill the title bin with more "Xmen books" (using probably GL or Batman). Of course, it also could be some temporary marketing trick to pull readers in and then they are gonna trim it back. You know, the old "52 titles for 52 weeks" trick!
Anyways, my pull list consists of about 12 regular titles -- 11 of them being DC, so I'm invested in their characters. I just hope Lee & Co. doesn't screw it up like I think they might.
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Wonder Woman's cover (and costume) looks horrendous.... and the cover of JLI has all the girls in, yep, long pants (though two of them already had them)!
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Catwoman. Showing that just because your female character is wearing pants, doesn't mean you can't do a cheesecake cover.
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Birds of Prey. Black canary has swapped her fishnet tights for diamond-patterned armored leggings that somewhat suggest the idea of fishnet.
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Batgirl. Apparently Barbara Gordon is getting out of the wheelchair and back into a batsuit. Opinion is divided on this, to say the least.
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Awful new costumes (haven't seen one I like more than the original), Babs --> Oracle, strange new Birds of Prey Team, new titles, no Superman and Lois....its almost like Jim Lee & Co. are trying to purposefully fuck up the DC Universe. It remains to be seen and good writing will win out, but not liking it at all!
I'm dreading the next round of announcements/releases which should show Supergirl's new costume. Also, I got a bad feeling that Powergirl's title run is over as well (though I hope I'm wrong)...
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lfan wrote: Can't agree more...this is almost literally NOTHING that I've heard about the "reboot" that I'm looking forward to except maybe Gail Simone's run on Firestorm and/or seems like we'll another Legion Book.
Same here and for me it's really a shame since I loved what the DC authors did in these last few years.
lfan wrote: Awful new costumes (haven't seen one I like more than the original), Babs --> Oracle, strange new Birds of Prey Team, new titles, no Superman and Lois....its almost like Jim Lee & Co. are trying to purposefully fuck up the DC Universe. It remains to be seen and good writing will win out, but not liking it at all!
I will abstain to comment about the costumes (even if I hate Nightwing's new look), but some ideas, like pulling Babs out of the wheelchair and removing Lois from the picture, are intollerable for the geek in me.
lfan wrote: I'm dreading the next round of announcements/releases which should show Supergirl's new costume. Also, I got a bad feeling that Powergirl's title run is over as well (though I hope I'm wrong)...
Please be very wrong...
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"Tim Drake is forced to step out from behind his keyboard when an international organization seeks to capture or kill super-powered teenagers. As Red Robin, he must team up with the mysterious and belligerent powerhouse thief known as Wonder Girl and a hyperactive speedster calling himself Kid Flash in TEEN TITANS #1, by Scott Lobdell and artists Brett Booth and Norm Rapmund.
Lee says of Teen Titans that it has "the most variety of what existed before," and that Lobdell is crafting a "mythology that gives you a family feel."
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Next up with the crap-fest announcements. Extra bonus is the cover looks like Image Comics circa 1990...oh joy! :
Ha! That was a good one LFan. Laughed out loud when I read that.
By the way, after seeing more previews, I don't think this will be the right series to introduce my little girl to the world of comics.
So let's see, DC wants new readers. They go about getting new readers by alienating all current readers first and foremost. Kids, who might like a chance to jump on a character from the beginning, can't because the themes are still to mature for them. Teenage boys who aren't current readers won't pick it up because of the stupid "all pants on females" edict. That leaves teenage girls as their target audience as far as I can tell. However, from what I remember from my teenage years, girls aren't very interested in super heroes or comic books in general.
But hey, good luck with that DC. Let me know how this works out...
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Latest rumor from bleeding cool is that a couple titles will no restart as far as story - just in number.
The other rumor around the possible SG creative team also gives me some hope for the story and art - I just hope the 80's/Matrix costume is still the base for whatever they do and let’s drop the bob hair cut while we are at it.
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Words can't convey how sick I feel just for looking at this cover art.
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Re-launches are tricky things to handle at the best of times and prone to mis-management if done for the wrong reasons (incorporating 'trendy' things to boost sales rather than focussing on character, script, plot, substance) but 52 in one go, their entire stock, with no graded test-run ....this bangs of desperation. This has 'marketing research' written all over it. I fear that buzzwords like demographics, target-markets and key spend-groups were used rather than character, direction or integrity.
If this relaunch fails and profits plummet further will they revert to the old course or are we destined to see 'dynamic' relaunch after dynamic relaunch (ie new costumes, new gimmicks, less substance, no story arc longer than 149 characters because otherwise it'll be too complex for the new readers) until the characters are beyond saving?
I dunno lads and lassies, I really don't know if this is going to work for them or me.
I got a bad feeling about this.
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CaptainIrishman wrote: ...If this relaunch fails and profits plummet further will they revert to the old course or are we destined to see 'dynamic' relaunch after dynamic relaunch...
This has the scent of the comic equivalent of "New Coke" to me, personally....
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lfan wrote:
CaptainIrishman wrote: ...If this relaunch fails and profits plummet further will they revert to the old course or are we destined to see 'dynamic' relaunch after dynamic relaunch...
This has the scent of the comic equivalent of "New Coke" to me, personally....
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I'm too young to know about that.
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New coke was just a conspiracy to drop “old coke” with regular sugar, bring in “new coke” to ensure people hated it, and then ultimately bring back “classic coke” with high fructose corn syrup so no one would feel full and everyone would get fat on it.
So what are they trying to sneak in on each character or the DC universe?
The CEO of Coke said something like: We're not that dumb, and we're not that clever.
I suspect DC falls on one of those extremes even if Coke did not (cough).
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For the most part, the character design makes me want to never stop puking.
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Tim Drake is forced to step out from behind his keyboard when an international organization seeks to capture or kill super-powered teenagers. As Red Robin, he must team up with the mysterious and belligerent powerhouse thief known as Wonder Girl and a hyperactive speedster calling himself Kid Flash in TEEN TITANS #1, by Scott Lobdell and artists Brett Booth and Norm Rapmund.
Oh goody, they're meddling with Wonder Girl again. Sigh.
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Oh goody, they're meddling with Wonder Girl again. Sigh.
Uh...sorry which one is meant to be Wonder girl? Is that meant to be her with the lasso-looking stuff?
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CaptainIrishman wrote:
DietSnapple71 wrote:
Oh goody, they're meddling with Wonder Girl again. Sigh.
Uh...sorry which one is meant to be Wonder girl? Is that meant to be her with the lasso-looking stuff?
I believe so. She's a "mysterious and belligerent powerhouse thief".
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"Oh cool....Image Comics is rebooting their line as well!"
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DietSnapple71 wrote:
CaptainIrishman wrote:
DietSnapple71 wrote:
Oh goody, they're meddling with Wonder Girl again. Sigh.
Uh...sorry which one is meant to be Wonder girl? Is that meant to be her with the lasso-looking stuff?
I believe so. She's a "mysterious and belligerent powerhouse thief".
Powerhouse theft is on the rise in the DC universe then?
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