New Ms. Marvel....umm......

They're retconing her. In a horrible way. Hopefully this'll be a short lived retcon.

How is this a retcon? A newly emerged mutant always liked Ms. Marvel and knows that her alias has been unused for weeks, months or whatever (don't know how much time went by in the marvel universe since the name change). So what does she do? She gets a shirt that looks like her costume and calls herself Ms. Marvel.
If any retcon has happened to Ms. Marvel, at least in my opinion, it happened when she changed her name. And well, if I change my Forum name to AliasMcRetcon or something, that is not really a retcon, is it?

On the religious issue... Well, I think I'm an atheist. But in contrast to the more outspoken atheists out there, I have accepted the fact that mankind is deeply stupid. So I don't give a damn about what invisible friend someone believes in and tries to propagate, as much as most people won't care about my thoughts on humanity's chances of survival or what should be done about it.

Of course I should shut up about that part, since, due to working in ecological and climatological research by now, it's pretty much my job to win people over to my view of these things.

If you believe in Global warming, your not an atheist....Its the worst offending theology currently out there

Usually I'm trying not to respond to trolls, but well...
Beside the point that that would exclude me from being an agnostic, not an atheist, you're right. Global Warming is the worst offending theology currently out there.

And I can say that, because no researcher worth his salt has been talking about Global Warming for at least a decade, except to tell people that it's not about Global Warming. It's called climate change. Some regions get warmer, some get colder, some get floods, some get draughts, some get storms on a unprecedented scale, some see a decline in those.
One problem is that most regions getting warmer have a lot of surface ice and most that get colder are still to warm to form new glaciers and/or don't get sufficiently significant precipitation to matter, so even if the rise in global average temperature will be lower than expected decades ago, we're probably still going to get a rise in sea levels. (Just to address what you were probably thinking about. If you'd like to continue this discussion, we should move to another thread or something.)

You hit the nail on the head Skye...You shouldn't respond to trolls.

Unlike many in SWM, I'm never offended. So I actually appreciate that comment. Its an acknowledgment that, clearly, I offended you. So I apologize for that...And clearly...we are in agreement.

Climate change? You mean that thing that been happening for a billion years...Yeah...I agree with you on that as well

d_k_c wrote: That's even worst

To designate a character to a particular religion means that you'll have to address the Religion in your story line. Obviously you are going to show your religion in a positive light. Considering that the majority of people who buy comics are under 20, what exactly is the intention?

But lets put this in prospective...This is offensive no matter what color you paint it.

Introducing, Super Catholic Girl? Republican Liberty? Jehovah's Marvel? Democratic Justice....He's a man but with a donkey head!

Cmon! Really?

I haven't been this upset since somebody suggested Squirrel girl would be a great movie.

Comics have been pretty good at that over the years:

Huntress is for example a character who has cross on her costume, and has never shyed away from saying "Shes Cathloc". Also Punisher, and a couple of other characters have been speicifically cathloc. A lot more speicifically Christian.

This is true for other stuff to. The Thing for example is jewish(he doesn't look jewish but). Less big but there have been muslim characters before-though i can't think of any that have there own book. Can't think of any Jehovahs Witness characters, but it is kind of a small sect. And Batman, and the Question are both specifically atheists.


As for politics, yes you rarely get democrats or republicans other then jokes, but i think thats more to do with fear of people saying "He wants to vote a certain" way which is verbotem in american pop culture(except in political movies- and even then-its rare for characters to be part of this or that political party).


And this is true in books, TV and movies. Lot of stuff for children deals in this kind of stuff. What is intresting is that this a character from New Jersey. Islam isn't a religion off in the exotic east. its american, which you know good for them for showing.

This is diversity-in addition to religion, you get race, sexual orientation, what have you. Also on Superwomen mania-gender. One could use the claim of tokenism-but in small sample size comics what are you going to do? there is not offensive about it at all.

Alright Castor....I'll take your side....But you want diversity? lets make her a Lesbian Muslim, lets see how that flies in the creators Islamic tradition.

d_k_c wrote: Alright Castor....I'll take your side....But you want diversity? lets make her a Lesbian Muslim, lets see how that flies in the creators Islamic tradition.

Book isn't debuted yet.

I suspect homosexuality will come up at some point in its run(if it lasts any length of time). Whether she's gay or someone she meets is gay i can't say.

d_k_c wrote: You hit the nail on the head Skye...You shouldn't respond to trolls.

Unlike many in SWM, I'm never offended. So I actually appreciate that comment. Its an acknowledgment that, clearly, I offended you. So I apologize for that...And clearly...we are in agreement.

Climate change? You mean that thing that been happening for a billion years...Yeah...I agree with you on that as well

*hugs d_k_c* Damn, could you clone yourself a few million times and come to Germany? I wish even half of the green or industrial "fundamentalists" I meet would acknowledge both of these points so quickly.
Also, if you weren't trying to troll, I'd like to apologize as well. As you might be able to imagine, those two words are kind of a trigger to put someone into either the stupid or troll category and I don't think you're stupid. (... I better re-read that sentence a couple of times before submitting.)


On to other things. I actually always thought, The Thing, or at least his appearance was supposed to be a nod towards the Golem. And while the Golem might not have been jewish per se, it is one of the very few beings from religous myths and stories that I do remember.

Now that I'm thinking about this a bit more, I find the lack of religion (or atheism and agnosticism) and politics in movies, comics, etc. a bit sad. A fine example of how this stuff can improve or even build a character from the ground up, in my opinion, is Will McAvoy from The Newsroom. A self-confessed Republican with, let's say disrespect for the Tea Party and views all over the field, he is one of two reasons I'm watching that show. (And yes, I'd also say that he's a Democrat.
Without that, with their Anchor being just some womanizing, drug-consuming cliche, I don't think that even the goodwill for choosing Deepwater Horizon as their first story would have gotten me to watch more than a few episodes.

An intelligent integration of this stuff into the character's depiction could actually get me to follow a comic series again.

*Hugs Skye.....Just so you know, a million pollacks might not be the best suggestion for Germany =D

I know how to get under people's skin, its kind of a fault....But i'm working on it =) Troll? Stuipid? I'm good with both

And I hope that you know, Never in a million years would I demean your profession. I sincerely hope that, that's not how I came across

Hugs!

geekseven wrote: Relax, Carol Danvers is still around.

She assumed the name Captain Marvel a couple of years ago, along with a more practical costume. She has her own book and is an Avengers regular.

Thanks. I knew there was a Captain Marvel book out there with Carol Danvers but did not know if they were ending it and replacing her with this new Ms. Marvel. If we have both Carol as Captain Marvel and a new Ms. Marvel I am okay with it.

However, I can see this comic book being a train wreck. Are the writers going to take any risks in regards to Islam? Like depicting Muhammed? Having Ms. Marvel question her Islamic upbringing and beliefs? Etc...I would bet not, unless they could get a Fatwa put on them. Which would lead to boring stories and, eventually, cancellation.

It's not "The Adventures of Muslim Girl," she's just a girl who's Muslim. Chillax people.

yohashuan wrote: It's not "The Adventures of Muslim Girl," she's just a girl who's Muslim. Chillax people.

Then why did Marvel feel the need to point out that she is Muslim?

I'll tell you why. They wanted comic book buyers to say "Wow! Marvel is edgy! They have a Muslim superhero now? That is cool!"

However, that is a double edged sword. If they want the increased media attention by creating the "first" Muslim superhero and promoting it as such, then the public is going to expect stories about how her religion squares with her abilities and what she does.

Personally, I wonder if the creators will take any risks in regards to her religion and what, if any, backlash will come from that.

I think that this could be a good idea so long as the character's ethnicity/religion are not the only things that make up the character. Like Yosh so eloquently put it, it's the adventures of a super powered girl who just happens to be Muslim.

This new Ms Marvel is a very bad news !!!!!!!!

I'm just wondering how the world's Muslim population is going to react to a strong, empowered and independent Muslim superchick. I know most will be cool with it but still..there is that little tiny percent who like to hang out in underground bomb factories.

Very interesting.

That cover... ...it looks like something I've seen before... ...with a Linda Danvers... ...also an issue #1... ...and with an "S" or lighting-bolt on her chest... Nice homage and or rip off Marvel.

Have we all forgotten about the Burka Avenger already.

This is hardly new or groundbreaking.

Burka Avenger was all over the news a couple of months ago.