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13 Mar 2012 17:38 #26547
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
@ yohashuan
Out of curiosity how many GIGA clips do you own?
@ Sarge395
The Awakening was well done. I wish we had a van to roll.
And do YOU purchase from GIGA?
Out of curiosity how many GIGA clips do you own?
@ Sarge395
The Awakening was well done. I wish we had a van to roll.
And do YOU purchase from GIGA?
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13 Mar 2012 19:20 - 13 Mar 2012 19:25 #26553
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Interesting analogy, since Luther is generally financially motivated and does not view himself as being evil. 
I'm not out to create an empire, but I don't have cash to throw away either. I already know there is money to be made in building a heroine up for the sole purpose of tearing her apart. The peril crowd will tell you that it makes the fall sweeter if the heroine is first presented as being strong and powerful. It makes sense that you are drawn to the "set up", but the main focus of the film is obviously not intended for you.
If anyone is going to make an ongoing, successful series of high-end ubergirl films, you would logically think it might be the japanese. Fetish films for them are practically mainstream, and they generally take the (production quality) lead in any niche film market they enter. They can AFFORD to do so because they have an audience of dedicated buyers willing to support thier efforts.
The fact that they do NOT do much dedicated ubergirl stuff is one of those warning flags that might indicate that there's no real market for it...even in the East. That "Brave Girl" clip is very cool, but it is bought and paid for by PERIL fans.
I'd like to see this change and we're certainly willing to test the waters to see if it's possible for us. Our heroines always win in the long run anyway, so our characters are practically ubergirls already. But I'll admit that relying on a new fanbase makes me nervous. I know that I'm about to LOOSE (atleast temporarily) a good chunk of my existing audience with this next release. The only question is whether or not I'll have a NEW audience to show for having taken the risk. I appreciate the comments and feedback you guys have offered so far. It would be nice to hear from other members of the community as well. I'll take all the warm fuzzies I can get.
I'm not out to create an empire, but I don't have cash to throw away either. I already know there is money to be made in building a heroine up for the sole purpose of tearing her apart. The peril crowd will tell you that it makes the fall sweeter if the heroine is first presented as being strong and powerful. It makes sense that you are drawn to the "set up", but the main focus of the film is obviously not intended for you.
If anyone is going to make an ongoing, successful series of high-end ubergirl films, you would logically think it might be the japanese. Fetish films for them are practically mainstream, and they generally take the (production quality) lead in any niche film market they enter. They can AFFORD to do so because they have an audience of dedicated buyers willing to support thier efforts.
The fact that they do NOT do much dedicated ubergirl stuff is one of those warning flags that might indicate that there's no real market for it...even in the East. That "Brave Girl" clip is very cool, but it is bought and paid for by PERIL fans.
I'd like to see this change and we're certainly willing to test the waters to see if it's possible for us. Our heroines always win in the long run anyway, so our characters are practically ubergirls already. But I'll admit that relying on a new fanbase makes me nervous. I know that I'm about to LOOSE (atleast temporarily) a good chunk of my existing audience with this next release. The only question is whether or not I'll have a NEW audience to show for having taken the risk. I appreciate the comments and feedback you guys have offered so far. It would be nice to hear from other members of the community as well. I'll take all the warm fuzzies I can get.
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13 Mar 2012 19:52 #26554
by lfan
While some/most people here dislike the concept of peril, I think its generally -- and sometimes incorrectly -- seen with the notion that it will head downhill quickly: tied up --> stripped --> tortured --> raped --> snuffed. In that hierarchy there are some pretty misogynistic and disgusting acts. HOWEVER, I don't think that "tied up" always reflects bondage or sexual deviation in the context of the story. Same goes for getting hit or knocked out. I think good stories need the heroine tested (as long as she comes out on top).
I think also, the easiest ways to hedge against "ubergirl people" getting turning off from their superpowered heroine being defeated is by doing that with a superpowered villainess. The best analogy I can give her in the FemForce universe is Rad vs Ms V (or Valkyira, etc). [/quote]
I think there is just a different attitude toward "US superheroes" in the japanese markets. You look at their comics, anime, TV, movies --- it's just apples and oranges. There is a big lack of non-mecha superheroines in their products and comics though. I've had long discussions with MOTS over that. I often question and wonder if they sell....I DO know that Astro Girl #1 and #2 stayed at the top of Zen's best seller list for weeks (and perhaps months) so that makes me curious why they don't do more movies with that same formula (talking about ZEN, not GIGA). Interestingly, one of their latest, "Sun Leona", was VERY light on the peril. Unfortunately, it was pretty devoid of action and uberness aside from a few scenes. I'm sure I'm missing something though, not being able to understand Japanese.
Interestingly, while Japan does not embrace superheroines, I find it fascination and promising that, to the South, in the Pinoy region, they flock to the subject for their TV shows --- Darna (continual remakes), Super Klenk, Crystalla, SuperMak, etc. If they could only do better special FX...
People, this is a plea for feedback and an open solicitation to give us what we want, but two things need to happen:
1) Respond with feedback
2) Buy the videos when they come out
If we don't, it's our own fault...
Replied by lfan on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
accomics wrote: Interesting analogy, since Luther is generally financially motivated and does not view himself as being evil.
accomics wrote: I'm not out to create an empire, but I don't have cash to throw away either. I already know there is money to be made in building a heroine up for the sole purpose of tearing her apart. The peril crowd will tell you that it makes the fall sweeter if the heroine is first presented as being strong and powerful. It makes sense that you are drawn to the "set up", but the main focus of the film is obviously not intended for you.
While some/most people here dislike the concept of peril, I think its generally -- and sometimes incorrectly -- seen with the notion that it will head downhill quickly: tied up --> stripped --> tortured --> raped --> snuffed. In that hierarchy there are some pretty misogynistic and disgusting acts. HOWEVER, I don't think that "tied up" always reflects bondage or sexual deviation in the context of the story. Same goes for getting hit or knocked out. I think good stories need the heroine tested (as long as she comes out on top).
I think also, the easiest ways to hedge against "ubergirl people" getting turning off from their superpowered heroine being defeated is by doing that with a superpowered villainess. The best analogy I can give her in the FemForce universe is Rad vs Ms V (or Valkyira, etc). [/quote]
accomics wrote: If anyone is going to make an ongoing, successful series of high-end ubergirl films, you would logically think it might be the japanese. Fetish films for them are practically mainstream, and they generally take the (production quality) lead in any niche film market they enter. They can AFFORD to do so because they have an audience of dedicated buyers willing to support thier efforts.
The fact that they do NOT do much dedicated ubergirl stuff is one of those warning flags that might indicate that there's no real market for it...even in the East. That "Brave Girl" clip is very cool, but it is bought and paid for by PERIL fans.
I think there is just a different attitude toward "US superheroes" in the japanese markets. You look at their comics, anime, TV, movies --- it's just apples and oranges. There is a big lack of non-mecha superheroines in their products and comics though. I've had long discussions with MOTS over that. I often question and wonder if they sell....I DO know that Astro Girl #1 and #2 stayed at the top of Zen's best seller list for weeks (and perhaps months) so that makes me curious why they don't do more movies with that same formula (talking about ZEN, not GIGA). Interestingly, one of their latest, "Sun Leona", was VERY light on the peril. Unfortunately, it was pretty devoid of action and uberness aside from a few scenes. I'm sure I'm missing something though, not being able to understand Japanese.
Interestingly, while Japan does not embrace superheroines, I find it fascination and promising that, to the South, in the Pinoy region, they flock to the subject for their TV shows --- Darna (continual remakes), Super Klenk, Crystalla, SuperMak, etc. If they could only do better special FX...
accomics wrote: I'd like to see this change and we're certainly willing to test the waters to see if it's possible for us. Our heroines always win in the long run anyway, so our characters are practically ubergirls already. But I'll admit that relying on a new fanbase makes me nervous. I know that I'm about to LOOSE (atleast temporarily) a good chunk of my existing audience with this next release. The only question is whether or not I'll have a NEW audience to show for having taken the risk. I appreciate the comments and feedback you guys have offered so far. It would be nice to hear from other members of the community as well. I'll take all the warm fuzzies I can get.
People, this is a plea for feedback and an open solicitation to give us what we want, but two things need to happen:
1) Respond with feedback
2) Buy the videos when they come out
If we don't, it's our own fault...
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13 Mar 2012 20:24 - 13 Mar 2012 20:25 #26556
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Thanks lfan.
Bondage scenes are great for allowing the villain to deliver an obnoxious monologue while explaining his evil plot to destroy the world (that the heroine can then foil)! KO scenes are a good way to transition from one location to the next (heroine wakes up in the villain's HQ, providing her with the means to destroy said HQ and save the day)! Also good when you don't want to kill your heroine, but you don't want her to win yet and thus end the movie prematurely.
Nobody likes a premature ending.
I'll start posting some preview pics in a couple of days. We certainly don't expect support on blind faith and good intentions alone.
Don't underestimate the value of feedback and communication and customer interest. Bill lost money on Best of the West for years simply because he loves Westerns and he had loyal, vocal and dedicated fans of the title. Money ain't everthing. (It's helpful though )
For those interested, Mark Heike has nearly finished the Yankee Girl tradepaperback which should be available for sale at accomics.com very soon also. Or you can probably still order it from your local comic shop via PREVIEWS and get it cheaper.
Bondage scenes are great for allowing the villain to deliver an obnoxious monologue while explaining his evil plot to destroy the world (that the heroine can then foil)! KO scenes are a good way to transition from one location to the next (heroine wakes up in the villain's HQ, providing her with the means to destroy said HQ and save the day)! Also good when you don't want to kill your heroine, but you don't want her to win yet and thus end the movie prematurely.
Nobody likes a premature ending.
I'll start posting some preview pics in a couple of days. We certainly don't expect support on blind faith and good intentions alone.
Don't underestimate the value of feedback and communication and customer interest. Bill lost money on Best of the West for years simply because he loves Westerns and he had loyal, vocal and dedicated fans of the title. Money ain't everthing. (It's helpful though
)For those interested, Mark Heike has nearly finished the Yankee Girl tradepaperback which should be available for sale at accomics.com very soon also. Or you can probably still order it from your local comic shop via PREVIEWS and get it cheaper.
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14 Mar 2012 00:51 #26560
by jnw550
Replied by jnw550 on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
One of the biggest reasons I haven't really purchased any of these movies is because of the lack of super girl content. Visually, they look great, and I'm sure the action is pretty well done. The girls are beautiful, as well.
Conflict is what's at the core of any story, but that doesn't mean the girl can't be hugely powerful. It's done with Superman all the time. Plus, what fun is being superhuman if you can't a little run at a bad guy's expense. They deserve it anyway.
Lastly, the audience is bigger than you might expect, the bigger hurdle is our pocket books. I lvoe buying content, but I'm very selective. I don't even always purchase PSW's stuff if I don't see something worth my while in the previews.
Regardless, I wish the best for you guys and hope that one of these times we can get a little fan service.
Conflict is what's at the core of any story, but that doesn't mean the girl can't be hugely powerful. It's done with Superman all the time. Plus, what fun is being superhuman if you can't a little run at a bad guy's expense. They deserve it anyway.
Lastly, the audience is bigger than you might expect, the bigger hurdle is our pocket books. I lvoe buying content, but I'm very selective. I don't even always purchase PSW's stuff if I don't see something worth my while in the previews.
Regardless, I wish the best for you guys and hope that one of these times we can get a little fan service.
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14 Mar 2012 00:59 #26561
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Thanks for chiming in jdrock24!
We've been making superheroine comic books for over 30 years...Femforce, Ms. Victory, Yankee Girl, etc... There will be no rape in our films I can assure you. You're more likely to see the THREAT of torture rather than ACTUAL torture. Action and combat is always good, but pointless violence is just... uh, pointless!
I don't think our goal is to "make a buck" so much as it is not to LOOSE a buck. We just really enjoy making films and working with other artists and performers! We have many, many characters to bring to life and many decades worth of STORIES we want to tell, which will require many, many films and an audience that wants to watch them.
We've been making superheroine comic books for over 30 years...Femforce, Ms. Victory, Yankee Girl, etc... There will be no rape in our films I can assure you. You're more likely to see the THREAT of torture rather than ACTUAL torture. Action and combat is always good, but pointless violence is just... uh, pointless!
I don't think our goal is to "make a buck" so much as it is not to LOOSE a buck. We just really enjoy making films and working with other artists and performers! We have many, many characters to bring to life and many decades worth of STORIES we want to tell, which will require many, many films and an audience that wants to watch them.
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14 Mar 2012 01:38 - 14 Mar 2012 01:44 #26563
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
@ jnw550
Your perception is what we are trying most to overcome I think. Prior to discovering SWM, we thought we already WERE making super girl films!
We have Stormy Tempest beating up 5 bad guys in her first film (3 at once during the finale), then taking out a formidable (but charming) bounty hunter at the end of a long two-sided battle in her second film. We have a scrappy Nyoka the Jungle Girl duking it out with every henchman thrown in her path (except for the ones taken out by the gorilla). We have the Blue Bulleteer stopping a thief, a catburglar, a criminal mastermind and his henchmen. We then have an unarmed Blue Bulleter surviving against more powerful opponents and then transforming into Nightveil, thus becoming more powerful than both of her enemies. We have Yankee Girl defeating a giantess. We have the Angel Avengers beating up every thug that crosses thier path.
Imagine our surprise when we discover SWM and learn that... none of that counts!
The devil is in the details I suppose. So we've come here to learn more about exactly what those details and expectations are. More traditional displays of physical strength seem to be one of our obvious missing ingredients so far.
Thanks for speaking up!
Your perception is what we are trying most to overcome I think. Prior to discovering SWM, we thought we already WERE making super girl films!
We have Stormy Tempest beating up 5 bad guys in her first film (3 at once during the finale), then taking out a formidable (but charming) bounty hunter at the end of a long two-sided battle in her second film. We have a scrappy Nyoka the Jungle Girl duking it out with every henchman thrown in her path (except for the ones taken out by the gorilla). We have the Blue Bulleteer stopping a thief, a catburglar, a criminal mastermind and his henchmen. We then have an unarmed Blue Bulleter surviving against more powerful opponents and then transforming into Nightveil, thus becoming more powerful than both of her enemies. We have Yankee Girl defeating a giantess. We have the Angel Avengers beating up every thug that crosses thier path.
Imagine our surprise when we discover SWM and learn that... none of that counts!
The devil is in the details I suppose. So we've come here to learn more about exactly what those details and expectations are. More traditional displays of physical strength seem to be one of our obvious missing ingredients so far.
Thanks for speaking up!
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14 Mar 2012 10:41 #26576
by mercblue22
Replied by mercblue22 on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Hello everyone,
First off, thanks top lfan for letting me know this topic was up and running here. I have been a BIG Superheroine fan for 30 years now, and for me, its always been about empowering them, (not submitting/depowering/peril or humilation)
To me, a Superheroine needs 3 things, 1) to look/feel powerful 2) to have a secret ID 3) and to be able to stand on her own. As a long time reader of AC's Femforce, I really enjoy their All-Female Superhero team as there is a little of something there for everyone. Of course, my favorite is definitely, Ms Victory/Joan Wayne because she looks incredible in costume, and used to have a secret ID. That has always been a plus for me, because it means the woman must juggle two lives and keep them seperate from each other. For a while, Joane did that, but eventually lost her ability to rvert back to her normal guise. Femforce had other great Superheroines w/ secret IDs such as Dragonfly, Nightveil, Blue Bulletteer, etc, but Ms. V has always been my favorite. (I miss her secret ID life guys!)
Now, I think that a Superheroine movie should be about her, of course. That means with an origin chapter and how she handles her new superpowers. I don't like when I type Superheroine in Google and all that comes up are garbage peril sites humiliating them and stuff. Yea, some people like that sort of thing, I do not, it shows the viewer that the Superheroine cannot handle herself in battle against a normal villain. Empowerment guys, thats what SWM is all about.
Personally, I like all kinds of Superheroines, but my favorites are the ones that wield magical artifacts, that transform the shy college girl/schoolteacher who has a ancient sword/axe/weapon, that transforms them into a powerful warrior-woman. Valkyrie, Red Sonja come to mind, that what always was missing from Femforce in my opinion. I hope they would add such a character to their roster in time, those are my all-time favorite Superheroines.
Thanks!
Fonzie
First off, thanks top lfan for letting me know this topic was up and running here. I have been a BIG Superheroine fan for 30 years now, and for me, its always been about empowering them, (not submitting/depowering/peril or humilation)
To me, a Superheroine needs 3 things, 1) to look/feel powerful 2) to have a secret ID 3) and to be able to stand on her own. As a long time reader of AC's Femforce, I really enjoy their All-Female Superhero team as there is a little of something there for everyone. Of course, my favorite is definitely, Ms Victory/Joan Wayne because she looks incredible in costume, and used to have a secret ID. That has always been a plus for me, because it means the woman must juggle two lives and keep them seperate from each other. For a while, Joane did that, but eventually lost her ability to rvert back to her normal guise. Femforce had other great Superheroines w/ secret IDs such as Dragonfly, Nightveil, Blue Bulletteer, etc, but Ms. V has always been my favorite. (I miss her secret ID life guys!)
Now, I think that a Superheroine movie should be about her, of course. That means with an origin chapter and how she handles her new superpowers. I don't like when I type Superheroine in Google and all that comes up are garbage peril sites humiliating them and stuff. Yea, some people like that sort of thing, I do not, it shows the viewer that the Superheroine cannot handle herself in battle against a normal villain. Empowerment guys, thats what SWM is all about.
Personally, I like all kinds of Superheroines, but my favorites are the ones that wield magical artifacts, that transform the shy college girl/schoolteacher who has a ancient sword/axe/weapon, that transforms them into a powerful warrior-woman. Valkyrie, Red Sonja come to mind, that what always was missing from Femforce in my opinion. I hope they would add such a character to their roster in time, those are my all-time favorite Superheroines.
Thanks!
Fonzie
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14 Mar 2012 12:12 #26577
by Lulu
Replied by Lulu on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
My personal reason, I rarly buy movies like this, is actually the same as Jnw550. Even if a girl is invincible you can make a great story about her though, without letting her getting in some peril or torturing situation. A lot of actual superheroines movies are doing this, so I have became a bit mistrustful about this.
I would like to see more movies concentrating mainly on strenght feats, seeing the girls enjoying her powers and opponents who are unsuccessful trying to deal with them. Of course doesn't this mean there could be no opponent able to beat or stop her, but the movie should not turn to concentrate on torturing scences afterwards.
Of course a good plot is necessary for a good story/movie, but I would love to see more videos focusing on strength feats, so its not important to write a oscar-nominated script.
I would like to see more movies concentrating mainly on strenght feats, seeing the girls enjoying her powers and opponents who are unsuccessful trying to deal with them. Of course doesn't this mean there could be no opponent able to beat or stop her, but the movie should not turn to concentrate on torturing scences afterwards.
Of course a good plot is necessary for a good story/movie, but I would love to see more videos focusing on strength feats, so its not important to write a oscar-nominated script.
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15 Mar 2012 04:14 #26586
by Markiehoe
Replied by Markiehoe on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
HOLY HANNAH! This looks fantastic. Love the hands on hips, looks so natural on her. 
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15 Mar 2012 06:27 #26591
by Sarge395
Replied by Sarge395 on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Would prefer an AA video but either way it would be an instant purchase. Nice little clip 
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15 Mar 2012 06:54 #26593
by accomics
Replied by accomics on topic Re: Stormy Tempest Season 2
Thanks guys! You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Aliya is great. She may not be Ms. Victory, but she's an EXCELLENT Lacey Slater.
@lfan
I thought I had you at "zipping up white boots"!
If you were to ask me personally what "girl power" and "ubergirl-ism" is all about, I would say it's all about the ATTITUDE that ElF mentioned, rather than focusing on the powers and abilities. Maybe that's the source of our disconnect so far. ALL of our heroines (and the actresses that portray them) display attitude, moxy, courage, intelligence, perseverance and indominable will... therefore (to us) someone like the Blue Bulleteer qualifies as an "ubergirl" even though she can't pick anyone up with one arm. Despite being the underdog, I maintain that the Blue Bulleteer could find a way to kick Supergirl's ass.
At any rate, with Lacey you'll finally get the attitude AND the superpowers in the same package. And if this experiment works out, then we'll do it again!
I'm willing to take a closer look at the genre to tap into what you guys want to see, though I remain hopeful that I can also convince some of you to reconsider what makes a heroine "powerful" along the way. Exploring that theme is at the heart of Stormy Tempest Season 2 when viewed as one story. I think this will be even more apparent with this upcoming release.
Huh?!?! Say what?!?!? A "theme" in a fetish movie? And what's all this about a "plot"?!?! Are we making fetish movies? Shhh... Don't tell Bill Black's wife.
Aliya is great. She may not be Ms. Victory, but she's an EXCELLENT Lacey Slater.
@lfan
I thought I had you at "zipping up white boots"!
If you were to ask me personally what "girl power" and "ubergirl-ism" is all about, I would say it's all about the ATTITUDE that ElF mentioned, rather than focusing on the powers and abilities. Maybe that's the source of our disconnect so far. ALL of our heroines (and the actresses that portray them) display attitude, moxy, courage, intelligence, perseverance and indominable will... therefore (to us) someone like the Blue Bulleteer qualifies as an "ubergirl" even though she can't pick anyone up with one arm. Despite being the underdog, I maintain that the Blue Bulleteer could find a way to kick Supergirl's ass.
At any rate, with Lacey you'll finally get the attitude AND the superpowers in the same package. And if this experiment works out, then we'll do it again!
I'm willing to take a closer look at the genre to tap into what you guys want to see, though I remain hopeful that I can also convince some of you to reconsider what makes a heroine "powerful" along the way. Exploring that theme is at the heart of Stormy Tempest Season 2 when viewed as one story. I think this will be even more apparent with this upcoming release.
Huh?!?! Say what?!?!? A "theme" in a fetish movie? And what's all this about a "plot"?!?! Are we making fetish movies? Shhh... Don't tell Bill Black's wife.
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