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13 Sep 2014 04:07 - 13 Sep 2014 21:51 #38102 by TheSuperheroines
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ACTION & PERIL ELEMENTS
Low Blows [F/M, M/F] • Headbutt • Crotch Grab [F/M] • Girl Power • Backhands • Face Punching • Chokes • Bear Hug • Butt Slap • Face Kick KO • Face Kick [F/M, M/F] • Hair Pulling • Belly Punching • Wall Slams • Head Slams • Back Punches • Chloroform [M/F, F/M] • Crawling • Uppercut with Chair [M/F] • Mounting • Leg Choke • Bondage to Chair [M] • Knee Crush to the Crotch [F/M]
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13 Sep 2014 18:25 #38103 by shadar
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Could I ask one of the moderators to delete the post below. It depicts graphic violence against women and is obscene.
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13 Sep 2014 19:14 - 13 Sep 2014 19:15 #38104 by brantley
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shadar wrote: Could I ask one of the moderators to delete the post below. It depicts graphic violence against women and is obscene.


And the "beginner" member who posted it should be purged.

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13 Sep 2014 20:09 - 13 Sep 2014 20:22 #38105 by Helstar
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And let's even put him in jail ! Wth guys, chill down :laugh:

It's a clip about a fight between a man and a woman, with usual back and forth - which is normal in a typical movie "scenario" (which is what this video is all about, I guess)

And by the way, I think the lady wins in the end - this a "girl power" serie, pretty much like KickAssKandy etc.
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13 Sep 2014 21:53 #38106 by lfan
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I removed the pics and image-related content. Anyone wanting to see more can click thru the links.

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13 Sep 2014 22:23 #38107 by shadar
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A good compromise... tks, Lfan.

lfan wrote: I removed the pics and image-related content. Anyone wanting to see more can click thru the links.

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14 Sep 2014 02:28 #38108 by Dru1076
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We've been here before, have we not? If the site promoted in this thread has material that celebrates superwomen bring it on. We'd love to give you money for that. But if that stuff is on the site, he is really bad at advertising it! Theses no way on Earth I'll be going to this site. No way. I'm not interested in a back and forth between a man and a woman, even if the woman wins. I don't like seeing a big bloke beating up a petite woman. Why fantasise about that even if she does come back at the end? That sort of thing happens in real life too often as it is.

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14 Sep 2014 04:14 #38109 by shadar
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It's a fine line that we draw, at least to folks working in other genres. I agree with everything you say, Dru. Not my style either. That said, I put violence in my stories, and some of it is man against women, but the combatants are always Kryptonian-grade. Most of us do. If we move our scenes of death and destruction far enough out into the fantasy world, then its all nice and shiny. But if its too close to real life, then it's dark and uncomfortable.

This is a common enough thread all through fantasy writing, but not so much SF. In Tolkein's Hobbit, when the trolls were deciding how to cook the dwarves (or sit on them and squash them to jelly), nobody was sickened by the violence. Its just trolls and dwarves and hobbits, after all. But I wouldn't want to see that kind of scene portrayed on your usual TV drama with some Sumo wrestlers and some normal little kids.

This is where Game of Thrones sometimes gets a bit uncomfortable. The violence is horrific, but its just far enough across the fantasy line that most of us accept it, although maybe with a queasy stomach. On the other hand, a vocal minority don't think George RR Martin's stories are across the line far enough.

So I guess George is showing us the line in GOT.

Now if George would just give Daenerys the ability to fly with her dragons and become unhurtable (she can already resist fire), or give Cersei fantastic strength, then George would have moved further across the line into "violent appropriate' fantasy.

(Sure wish I could whisper in his ear.)

Dru1076 wrote: We've been here before, have we not? If the site promoted in this thread has material that celebrates superwomen bring it on. We'd love to give you money for that. But if that stuff is on the site, he is really bad at advertising it! Theses no way on Earth I'll be going to this site. No way. I'm not interested in a back and forth between a man and a woman, even if the woman wins. I don't like seeing a big bloke beating up a petite woman. Why fantasise about that even if she does come back at the end? That sort of thing happens in real life too often as it is.

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14 Sep 2014 05:01 #38110 by castor
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Shadar is right-a lot of our stories have What might be called Dramatic tension-mine do to. Without it any story is n't much. Even Krptonians need a challenge.

that said theres that and writing a list of it.
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15 Sep 2014 08:58 #38112 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote: It's a fine line that we draw, at least to folks working in other genres. I agree with everything you say, Dru. Not my style either. That said, I put violence in my stories, and some of it is man against women, but the combatants are always Kryptonian-grade. Most of us do. If we move our scenes of death and destruction far enough out into the fantasy world, then its all nice and shiny. But if its too close to real life, then it's dark and uncomfortable.

This is a common enough thread all through fantasy writing, but not so much SF. In Tolkein's Hobbit, when the trolls were deciding how to cook the dwarves (or sit on them and squash them to jelly), nobody was sickened by the violence. Its just trolls and dwarves and hobbits, after all. But I wouldn't want to see that kind of scene portrayed on your usual TV drama with some Sumo wrestlers and some normal little kids.

This is where Game of Thrones sometimes gets a bit uncomfortable. The violence is horrific, but its just far enough across the fantasy line that most of us accept it, although maybe with a queasy stomach. On the other hand, a vocal minority don't think George RR Martin's stories are across the line far enough.

So I guess George is showing us the line in GOT.

Now if George would just give Daenerys the ability to fly with her dragons and become unhurtable (she can already resist fire), or give Cersei fantastic strength, then George would have moved further across the line into "violent appropriate' fantasy.

(Sure wish I could whisper in his ear.)

Dru1076 wrote: We've been here before, have we not? If the site promoted in this thread has material that celebrates superwomen bring it on. We'd love to give you money for that. But if that stuff is on the site, he is really bad at advertising it! Theses no way on Earth I'll be going to this site. No way. I'm not interested in a back and forth between a man and a woman, even if the woman wins. I don't like seeing a big bloke beating up a petite woman. Why fantasise about that even if she does come back at the end? That sort of thing happens in real life too often as it is.


I think that there's one more caveat in all of this: the purpose of this violence.
There's a general consesus that GOT is pretty damn dark and uncomfortabe when it comes to representing violence, but does that feel inappropriate?
In my opinion it doesn't. While there are fantastic universes much less graphic in their depiction of violence, what George Martin (and the CBS crew) does feels perfectly in tone with the story. In many others fictional universe that wouldn't work.
Same with our stories, sometimes it works to have violence going either direction (I remember one such discussion about the first chapter of Miss Dymano being very much on the edge), other times it doesn't.

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15 Sep 2014 17:25 #38114 by shadar
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Context is everything. And when the context is our day to day world, its OK to shoot people on screen and in stories (guns are OK) and blowing them up with drones, but beheading and beating women up in elevators and most forms of exploitive violence against women is not, along with the various flavors of genocide.

Yet anyone who has worked in an emergency room will tell you how horrific gun violence is on the victims. Organs torn apart, etc.

Also, we have state-sponsored violence (OK) versus the individual kind (not OK). But if you are on the receiving end, does it really matter?

I suspect anthropologists of the future might someday categorize the various forms of violence in society and fiction (and our acceptance of various forms) as indicators of deep psychological and social trends in our cultures. All I know is that its very weird how we accept violence in some contexts but not in others. Makes my head hurt if I try to puzzle it out. But our gut reactions probably say more about us than any reasoned response.


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shadar wrote: It's a fine line that we draw, at least to folks working in other genres. I agree with everything you say, Dru. Not my style either. That said, I put violence in my stories, and some of it is man against women, but the combatants are always Kryptonian-grade. Most of us do. If we move our scenes of death and destruction far enough out into the fantasy world, then its all nice and shiny. But if its too close to real life, then it's dark and uncomfortable.

This is a common enough thread all through fantasy writing, but not so much SF. In Tolkein's Hobbit, when the trolls were deciding how to cook the dwarves (or sit on them and squash them to jelly), nobody was sickened by the violence. Its just trolls and dwarves and hobbits, after all. But I wouldn't want to see that kind of scene portrayed on your usual TV drama with some Sumo wrestlers and some normal little kids.

This is where Game of Thrones sometimes gets a bit uncomfortable. The violence is horrific, but its just far enough across the fantasy line that most of us accept it, although maybe with a queasy stomach. On the other hand, a vocal minority don't think George RR Martin's stories are across the line far enough.

So I guess George is showing us the line in GOT.

Now if George would just give Daenerys the ability to fly with her dragons and become unhurtable (she can already resist fire), or give Cersei fantastic strength, then George would have moved further across the line into "violent appropriate' fantasy.

(Sure wish I could whisper in his ear.)

Dru1076 wrote: We've been here before, have we not? If the site promoted in this thread has material that celebrates superwomen bring it on. We'd love to give you money for that. But if that stuff is on the site, he is really bad at advertising it! Theses no way on Earth I'll be going to this site. No way. I'm not interested in a back and forth between a man and a woman, even if the woman wins. I don't like seeing a big bloke beating up a petite woman. Why fantasise about that even if she does come back at the end? That sort of thing happens in real life too often as it is.


I think that there's one more caveat in all of this: the purpose of this violence.
There's a general consesus that GOT is pretty damn dark and uncomfortabe when it comes to representing violence, but does that feel inappropriate?
In my opinion it doesn't. While there are fantastic universes much less graphic in their depiction of violence, what George Martin (and the CBS crew) does feels perfectly in tone with the story. In many others fictional universe that wouldn't work.
Same with our stories, sometimes it works to have violence going either direction (I remember one such discussion about the first chapter of Miss Dymano being very much on the edge), other times it doesn't.

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15 Sep 2014 22:22 #38115 by fats
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This thread has gone too far off topic so there fore i'm going to close it.

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