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Super Cher Noble could use your opinion

18 Jul 2015 01:09 #43222 by martinblasick
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The costume got made…and we don’t love it. We went through several fittings over several weeks. It just never got ‘super’. We did go to one pre comic con event in it and had a good time. Abby was still making adjustments to later than the very last second. Here’s some pics to see what actually is rather than me jabbering about it.

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I can’t shoot that. The seams are lumpy. And just plain off. The boot tips are off center. The gauntlets are just velcroed and flimsy. The cape is backwards compared to the sketch. The puffy material widens the waist and the cut minimizes the bust. And the material looks like jammies. At least that’s how Natasha and I see it. Abby was so stoked about how great it was going to be I let her go for it.

We got it on July 2. Actually we were too bummed out to post here about it. But life moves on. We still need a costume.

And since we’re back at the starting gate, we’re rethinking the design. I was totally vested in the look we came up with. After seeing it though we’re both in favor of getting something that looks great, not only on a sketch but on the real live Natasha.

Natasha pulled together a Wonder Woman costume for Comic Con. Although we’d planned on promenading her as Super Cher Noble, we roamed around and took a lot of pics with folks. Here’s her WW costume.

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And here’s a youtube slideshow of her (set to my song).


Thank you all for following along. It’s a project we’re really into.

We’re behind schedule shooting due to not having the costume. But, we’ve boo hoo’d a little and picked ourselves up and started putting together some new ideas for the next Super Cher Noble design. And we’re on the lookout for a costumer, too.

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18 Jul 2015 02:20 #43223 by castor
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This looks okay-part of the issue with any superhero costume is-pick your angles. work the lighting, in the bottom picture in particular i think it looks rather nice actually in part-the boots do look good from my point of view(that being a photgraph)) as do the sleeves and the shoulder piece. they actually look pretty great. everything that shinny has a nice luster to it.

Part of the issue i think with this design as the classic "Hey i am wearing a body suit and a cape...often looks really silly in real life. Look at the suit in superman returns about 6 years ago to see an example of that-it s hard to make realistic-which is why Man of Steel went really far in another direction(and still i think looks impressive, but not

As is you have fast swabs of more or less pure white down the center-which is tricky. You do have the obvious seam down the center which looks bad, but not sure the main body was going to look wait-do like the quilted center of it-like it a lot actually but it highlights how plain the center really is. They do minimize the bust...but the pure white does some of the same for it. she looks a bit like a gymnaist already.

And the Cape yeah-that looks bad. not sure how to fix it with the basic design. Look at man of steel and you will see a gigantic ass cloak of one.

So not great effort-but i don't think a terrible one. i think you could work with this, but understand if you don't want to and there elments that may work quite well-but yeah you need work here, and may want to go for the drawing board.

Good luck here.

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18 Jul 2015 02:22 - 18 Jul 2015 02:26 #43224 by castor
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An obvious question:

What kind of movie are you making? What kind of character is Super Cher? I think a lot of it depends on that.

Recently some of my friends where working on a Batman Fan film: Which looks pretty terrible. I mean horrible, with a costume a lot lot worse then this. The problem was-well they damm putt it in the light-with a costume that doesn't really work well in the light it looked cheep and rather silly actually.....and but i bet iff they used the ones in the nolan movies they would have gotten the same effect. How do you want to position this.
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18 Jul 2015 10:59 - 18 Jul 2015 11:03 #43232 by Markiehoe
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I don't think the basic idea of the costume is that bad.

Never liked the shoulder pad from the first, you can lose it.
Notice how in both pictures Natasha tilts her head to emphasize a clunky, unnecessary bump on her shoulder.
In her Wonder Woman pictures she looks much more relaxed and natural.

Try some accessories like a corset maybe to tighten the waist and enhance the bust line.

Keep the asymmetrical cape, maybe a different color.
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18 Jul 2015 13:12 #43233 by fats
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Well I have to say that I like it, it's bold without being brash, it's different to anything that is out there the shoulder shield, is very Romanesque the diamond pattern in the fabric is good.

It will be interesting to see the outfit when it's shot in a studio setting.

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18 Jul 2015 16:56 #43234 by bionicskillz
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Natasha and the boots are perfect at least :):) The rest of the costume not so. I really don't like it and the color scheme as it doesn't make her look powerful.
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18 Jul 2015 23:34 #43241 by Brad2
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Cape seems to look faded in color...Maybe a different (a little darker) shade of blue? Not sure about the rest of the costume. While I admit that Natasha would look amazing in anything, I'm sure the costume can be improved.

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19 Jul 2015 04:53 #43246 by erikphandel
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While I personally like this color scheme, it indeed doesn't feel "super". Wish I had the inspiration to cook up something with the Fabrica de Herois. Natasha looks fabulous though

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19 Jul 2015 13:58 #43254 by Sarge395
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I like the boots and the front arm covering combination. In my opinion I would skip most of the non symmetrical look and just tighten everything up. Either both legs more exposed or both like her right leg is now.

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19 Jul 2015 23:40 #43261 by ace191
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I think it looks pretty good. I would like to see it in a front on, fists on hips power pose with her hair down her back so that we can see the left shoulder. Remember, the whole asymmetric thing was done to seperate her from all the other super gals out there.

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20 Jul 2015 03:00 #43262 by martinblasick
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Hi Castor :-)
We were trying to get the street pic to look good. We’d been at the party and were hungry, but took time for some night pics about 1am. I’m glad we did because that’s how I saw how the costume looked when trying to get a good shot. You’re right about the body suit and a cape and how it’s not quiet working in Man Of Steel. It’s a silly combo, suit and cape, but somehow it instantly screams super hero(ine). Natasha and I had a few discussions on the meaning of the traditional combo, and I couldn’t really give an answer why it’s needed other than precedent.

I was really into our color combo, but now I think the white is a mistake. And the seams ended up skewed to the left. I was pretty shocked the basic construction was off.

Regarding what kind of movie SCN is I think of it as a classic hero’s journey. It’s also an origin story. Cher can and will unleash her powers in ways that surprise even herself. She is a person displaced in time and geography (although she learns to get around pretty quickly) and bestowed with powers. A little more Superman than Batman if you will. Not going for overtly quirky or outrageously edgy or dark. There’s a lot at stake because the main villain Dr. Z wants to get her energy secret - killing her in the process - for his own profit. Cher needs to learn to live in today’s world rather than under a totalitarian state in 1986, not under the thumb of a patriarchal society, and to learn how to control and ethically use her awesome powers. Dr. Z creates a series of supervillainesses as a tactic to defeat Cher.

And….it’s all on a micro indie budget. So even more reason for the costume to read decently on camera. We’re hoping to sell enough downloads of each 15 minute episode to carry us through the whole 8 episodes. A micro indie can’t compete with a studio film in the “look” department. But it can absolutely be compelling when the stakes are worthy and the characters are driven to go beyond their ordinary world (even if that world seems extraordinary from the outside) to achieve their next incarnation. A good writer is a bit of a sadist because a hero needs to be tortured by a worthy villain to rise to the challenge.
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Hi Markiehoe

The shoulder armor was Abby’s thing. I actually liked it. But it didn’t serve a story purpose. The corset is a great idea. Lots of super heroines have fancy corsets. Natasha has a naturally slender waist so it’s freaky seeing her straight as a ruler. That puffy fabric was Abby’s creative addition. I believe in delegation. I know I’m too “I’ll do it myself” by nature. But dang. I want to be surprised with excellence.

The latest sketches Natasha and I came up with have a royal blue asymmetrical cape.
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Hi Fats,

I would have moved forward with this design if the fit was great and had construction that enhanced waist and bust and was flexible enough to do the stunts in. The material isn’t stretchy 4 ways, only 2. I listened to what I thought was expert advice on fabric. I don’t think a studio setting is going to minimize the skewed, lumpy seams and lack of shaping. Natasha was surprised when Abby told her not to do any punching in it. I made it clear from the outset this is not simply for walking around in at Cons; it needs to be tough and flexible enough for a kick boxing class. And it needs basic female construction.

We’re back to experimenting with ideas. lfan asked if the teal would be a problem with the green screen. I’m not certain but I don’t need extra setbacks. I'll do a test with the current cape. But I’ve been looking at what’s come before, and it’s true that most superheroines utilize prime colors. I don’t want to be a copycat, but I don’t want to be so off the mark that what I’m going isn’t clear. SCN should look “super” whatever that means, in the first glance.
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Hi bionicskillz,

The boots are staying. Natasha’s feet survived a major expedition in them. The front tips are off center. I saw with my own eyes that Abby centered them from the back seam and cut without hesitation. I’d assumed she’d checked where center was on Natasha having seen her wear them. Measure twice, cut once as the saying goes. But no, she just whacked em off without checking where the point would go. We’ll have to cut them a hair shorter so the points are centered. But man, we shopped all over creation for those boots. Like 2 days of work just to find them. They might get repainted depending on the color scheme.
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Hi Brad2

The cape is teal. That’s most likely going to change. We’re playing with blue currently.
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Hi erikphandel,

Thank you for your nice words about Natasha. She and I both are quite touched at how nice and supportive you and others are here on SWM. We’d hoped to be into shooting already. But we’ll get there.
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Hi Sarge395
We’re going to cover up both legs, I think. We have a dream that cosplayers would want to make this costume someday. I want it to be something someone could make a facsimile of and that is flattering for a variety of body types. Plus now that I see the leg it seems to cheapen the look. I feel the same way when I look at bare midriff costumes. We just went through a huge gallery of over 500 cosplay pics from comic con. It was good for ideas.
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Hi ace191
We have some pics like that. Natasha didn’t love them because the costume gets boxy. The sides stretched to just a straight line. We’re for sure going to get something tighter. A corset is likely. I’ve looked at so many super heroines lately. Some of the costumes have too many details for what our character needs. She’s got invulnerability so she doesn’t need shielding items for her safety. I had no idea it would be such a brain teaser. I do like the asymmetrical cape a lot. I like it in the neckline too as long as the cut accentuates waist and bust appropriately.

Thank you all for comments. It really helps specifically and as inspiration to keep going :-) Here’s my latest take on the chest logo. Reactions?

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21 Jul 2015 04:01 - 21 Jul 2015 04:03 #43269 by erikphandel
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So here I am late at night tinkering with Super Cher Noble's costume problem. I think the main problem once the costume came to life is the fabric that was used to built it: the armlets do not go well with the rest of the costume, invoking a feeling of bulkiness that isn't what you guys were aiming for. The suit fabric seems to be a little bit to thick and not that stretchy (from the photos at least). For me the ideal superhero costume fabric is the ones that JonX uses in his costumes (if you're not aiming for a realistic approach like mainstream superhero movies and series, that is). And the fabric of the cape is also too thick, it doesn't flow. The cape flowing with the wind is very important to create an ilusion of "divinity" or "angelic", making the person wearing it look like she is not from this plane of existance.

The colors also doesn't help, but I think that it's not the main problem. You said you were tinkering with purple for the cape, but then depending on the shade you choose you'd have to lighten the shade of the red parts of the costume, and then it would take away the "uniqueness" factor of the costume (because every superhero costume is blue, white and red). So I'd personally advise agains't using certain shades of blue, or else you'll end up with an American patriot hero.

At the moment I'm a bit sleep but I've managed to create this image. It's very rough, so if you like it maybe I could work on it properly. And maybe produce something else along those lines, or completely different. Anyways, I'd like to help you guys.

I really wanna see Natasha throwing cars around and whatnot soon!

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21 Jul 2015 04:18 #43270 by Brad2
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Well, now we know the series will be sold (was a bit confused on that for a while). Let us know when you figure out pricing. Also, it was mentioned at some point the idea of combining the episodes into a full length movie_Would the pricing for the movie be different from for the episodes together?

Feel free to correct me if any of this is off base.

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