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19 Oct 2017 21:13 - 19 Oct 2017 21:15 #56656 by shadar

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Woodclaw wrote: Okay it has been a while since I dared upload something here, this is part one of a new story idea I've been working on since this summer. It's still very rough in my eyes and the following parts won't come fast, I fear, but here you go for all to enjoy.


Very MythBusters in feel, but totally SWM in style. A fun read, although it would have been even better if it was written more "R" than "PG".

But now I'm confused -- do gun barrels actually bend or break?

I apologize for the following geek-out, but I spent two semesters in the 1960's as a metallurgical engineering student before I escaped, and I've still got a passing interest in the field.



Strange, from my sources I gathered that many present day firearms use harder steel than 4140 to keep the rifling in working condition longer.



In the case of weapons like the AR-15 and its military analogs, some mfgs went to 4150, which is more expensive but wears better, but is still relatively ductile. Some speciality weapons have gone to higher chromium content for corrosion resistance, but you start dealing with more wear-out issues unless you use liners.

Given the requirement to machine barrels (the hardest part being rifling), the steel has to be workable, and ductility is a good parameter of suitability for that kind of machining.

So called "gun steel" or "ordnance steel" is 41xx steel. Some applications, like machine guns, ala M60 and its ilk, use a thin inner liner made of some kind of cobalt steel (like Stellite) that is more wear resistant, with the bulk of the barrel remains 41xx steel.

None of this is actually relevant to enjoying your story. I was just mystified by the "barrel breaking" thing and did some research.

But given we're in the comic book universe, we have to cut each other some slack, and I really enjoyed the story. Sorry for the geek-out.

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20 Oct 2017 09:35 #56666 by jnw550
They will bend and as Shadar says, it’s in how you apply force. Enough force fast enough and it will snap. If you take a hammer to it numerous times, it will slowly deform.

I have personally watched a larger caliber cannon barrel (25mm) snap when struck from the side, so I know that if they are cold, and force is applied in the right direction, they will snap.

That’s why if I were a super being and wanted to stop a weapon from firing, I’d squeeze it shut. Quick and doesn’t require any real thought about where I’m applying force. Just wrap fingers around and squeeze.

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20 Oct 2017 16:11 #56669 by shadar

jnw550 wrote: They will bend and as Shadar says, it’s in how you apply force. Enough force fast enough and it will snap. If you take a hammer to it numerous times, it will slowly deform.

I have personally watched a larger caliber cannon barrel (25mm) snap when struck from the side, so I know that if they are cold, and force is applied in the right direction, they will snap.

That’s why if I were a super being and wanted to stop a weapon from firing, I’d squeeze it shut. Quick and doesn’t require any real thought about where I’m applying force. Just wrap fingers around and squeeze.


Crushing the barrel in one’s grip will make the shooter regret firing it the next time. Same goes for sticking one’s finger (or some other suitably sized bodypart) in said barrel, if you happen to be Karen or Lena.

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20 Oct 2017 17:32 #56672 by jnw550
One of my favorite moments in the early Aurora stories. Her nipple destroying the barrel of a gun. She literally dominated that man with just her tit.

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20 Oct 2017 17:40 #56673 by Woodclaw

jnw550 wrote: They will bend and as Shadar says, it’s in how you apply force. Enough force fast enough and it will snap. If you take a hammer to it numerous times, it will slowly deform.

I have personally watched a larger caliber cannon barrel (25mm) snap when struck from the side, so I know that if they are cold, and force is applied in the right direction, they will snap.

That’s why if I were a super being and wanted to stop a weapon from firing, I’d squeeze it shut. Quick and doesn’t require any real thought about where I’m applying force. Just wrap fingers around and squeeze.


That was my understanding as well and, in fact, the idea was that the first showcased test was them trying to do a quick push on a cold barrel. I'm going to incorporate many of these informations in the final version, so please keep them coming.

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20 Oct 2017 18:26 #56675 by shadar

jnw550 wrote: One of my favorite moments in the early Aurora stories. Her nipple destroying the barrel of a gun. She literally dominated that man with just her tit.


Nipples are interesting (among other things) for the fact that they can engorge. That can make for a very tight fit in the rifling of certain caliber weapons. Assuming, of course, that you have the right genetics for the job.

Are there men so violent and twisted that they'd still pull the trigger? There certainly were in my early AU stories.


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21 Oct 2017 05:39 #56681 by Engineered-Sorcery
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shadar wrote:

jnw550 wrote: One of my favorite moments in the early Aurora stories. Her nipple destroying the barrel of a gun. She literally dominated that man with just her tit.


Nipples are interesting (among other things) for the fact that they can engorge. That can make for a very tight fit in the rifling of certain caliber weapons. Assuming, of course, that you have the right genetics for the job.

Are there men so violent and twisted that they'd still pull the trigger? There certainly were in my early AU stories.


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Might not even be violent and twisted. Might just be a panic reaction, given that (I don't know the AU context, so this is conjecture) a naked woman just rushed her way forward and placed her nipple against their rifle. Given that they're probably also facing all sorts of other concerning reactions (heat vision, general ineffectiveness weapons-wise, a possibly unfeeling command structure, etc), it might just be that the situation is a very tragic autonomic reaction. Though if they're in a shooting situation regardless, it might just be that they deserve the resulting squib-fire event that befalls them.
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21 Oct 2017 12:42 - 21 Oct 2017 12:43 #56683 by slim36
mythbusters carefully bent a gun barrel by 90 degrees
and may have tried 180 degrees.
in the full episode
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21 Oct 2017 13:37 #56684 by Woodclaw

slim36 wrote: mythbusters carefully bent a gun barrel by 90 degrees

and may have tried 180 degrees.
in the full episode


They did and that kind of graceful bend was pretty much what I tried to describe when I talked about a banana-shape barrel.

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29 Mar 2018 13:37 - 29 Mar 2018 13:39 #59010 by Woodclaw
Full disclosure, unfortunately my day job keeps me writing and re-writing stuff pretty much 8-10 hours a day, which means that I'm usually really tired when evening comes. Up to the point that I can't bring myself to write anything I consider even half-decent.

As a result, even with a one week extension, I wasn't able to put together a finished story for the workshop ... but I won't leave it there languish in my bin of half-backed stuff. I'm going to publish it here in bits and pieces. So here is the first one, enjoy.

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