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** SPOILERS ** Supergirl Pilot Discussion

25 May 2015 06:21 - 26 May 2015 21:29 #42335 by shadar
I thought I would open a topic that is EXCLUSIVELY spoilers and labeled as such.

WARNING...

IF YOU READ THIS THREAD BEFORE YOU WATCH THE PILOT, YOU WILL BE SPOILED

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By the way, as a Mac OS X user, I found the following tools worked:

1) Downloaded the free uTorrent application and installed. (Google is your friend)

2) Found the 1080p version (about 6.5GB if I recall) and downloaded the torrent file. (Google is your friend)

3) Double-click on torrent file in Downloads directory and it will load uTorrent and start downloading. It took about 1.5 hours to download with my not very fast internet access.

4) Downloaded the free VLC application and installed. (Google is your friend). None of the default OS X software will play the .mkv container file format that most torrents use these days.

From there, it was astounding viewing.

There are other ways, but this is what worked for me. Other than the download time for the show itself, this all took less than five minutes.

Oh, not to forget, this was followed by 46 minutes of viewing bliss.
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25 May 2015 16:18 #42344 by shadar
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25 May 2015 21:59 - 25 May 2015 22:03 #42348 by Monty
Sounds excellent Shadar! We can't have her flying around with
no real purpose...

... So bring it on!
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25 May 2015 22:15 #42349 by jdrock24
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Thanks for starting this thread Shadar. Here are my thoughts on the pilot:

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26 May 2015 00:44 #42353 by shadar

jdrock24 wrote: Thanks for starting this thread Shadar. Here are my thoughts on the pilot:

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26 May 2015 01:11 #42354 by TheRo

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26 May 2015 01:42 #42355 by TwiceOnThursdays
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26 May 2015 02:11 #42356 by TwiceOnThursdays
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26 May 2015 12:51 - 26 May 2015 12:54 #42364 by jdrock24
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26 May 2015 15:08 - 26 May 2015 16:20 #42368 by lfan
I know I said to tag anything with the Spoiler tag, but at this point -- in a dedicated thread -- the amount of spoiler clicks for quoted posts is driving me crazy, so I'm just gonna say....

SPOILERS BELOW!!!


The Good
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1. Melissa Benoist! I LOVED LvV and deeply regretted she never was Supergirl in the rumored spinoff series they were talking about way back, but after watching MB take up the mantle, I'd have a hard time seeing anyone else in the role -- Melissa Benoist IS Supergirl!! MB brought a youthful exuberance to the role, playing the "OMG-this-is-so-cool" super person one minute (bullet scene at the bank) then the unsure heroine next (getting ass kicked by Vartox) and then resolute "I-can-do-this!" superhero (taking on the truck). It's kinda cliche and hokey, but I like it and equate it to the character. In any case, I think MB does a great job and looks INCREDIBLE in costume. Super adorableness comes to mind as her primary superpower. She also has great expressions like when she was being shot, the "I can do a car chase" look, and even when she sees herself on TV saving the plane.....
2. Speaking of the plane, I think this is one of the best VFX sequences I've ever seen on TV in a superhero show. Reminiscent of the Superman Returns plane scene (though at night), it was really well done. Physics and pilot training aside, I thought it looked pretty realistic. And the action......from Kara finding Alex on the plane to her jumping and then soaring into the scene and all the heavy lifting (the fuselage bending as well)....incredible!
3. Wynn -- saw some people did not like the character, but I thought he was great. The lesbian thing on the roof was a little awkward, but that aside, I thought he was great comedic relief.
4. The prison ship -- while this was not without its plot holes (see below), I thought it was a pretty good setup for her Rogue's Gallery......being a prison, they have an excuse too of not having them all be Kryptonian but gathered from around the galaxy (though one would assume the majority WAS Kryptonian)
5. Comic shoutouts -- while I haven't watched the pilot repeatedly just to find more of them, I did catch a few of the shoutouts to Supergirl canon and her creators. She saved the plane over the Otto Binder (creator of SGirl) Bridge and then the fire over the scanner was at the corner of Gates and Igle (Sterling Gates and Jamal Igle, the creative team on the Supergirl book that this seems to be mostly based on)
6. The General.....nice twist! Make so much sense that the buzz that Laura B. was cast in such a pivitol role (and not just for the pilot and flashbacks) and why she has been cryptic in interviews over her "character". Gender bending Zod and making it a family member I think offers a lot of possibilities too.
7. Costume montage -- loved the "evolution" of her costume and learning about them. The fact that it was set to C. Carlton's "Bad Mama Jama" only made it sweeter as that evoked memories of the old Wonder Woman TV spots I remember watching that were also set to that song! :)
8. The short red boots! Shoutout to animated supergirl with the short red boots. Loved her walking in them in the bank scene as bullet rained down around them. Of course, they also did nothing but showcase MB's fabulous legs!

The Bad
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1. The secret identity -- or lack thereof. OK, let's count.......mom, dad, Alex, Wynn, Jimmy, Hank, a ton of people at DOE, the Commander, the General, and probably more than a few of the prisoners. That's a lot! Granted, as I mentioned before, EVERY cast member on the Flash knows his secret, but some of them were built over the course of 23 episodes, not right outta the gate of the pilot.
2. The prison ship -- been mentioned a bunch before, but if Kara's ship busted thru 12 years ago, why was a group so bent on world domination (at least its upper mgmt) been lying low for so long? Basically you figure there are hundreds of supermen (and women!) in there, why wait 12 years as technology becomes more advanced for the DOE, why not strike now? I have to feel that more of this will be revealed later.
3. Superman -- again, has been mentioned before by others and might be explained later, but he drops her off and has no more contact with her? What an asshole!
4. Danvers -- nice cameos....all 10 seconds of them. Maybe they will be in more flashbacks and maybe they had some scenes cut, but I was surprised they weren't in it more
5. The pace -- they seemed to cram in ALOT in such a short time. Based on some of the scenes being SO SHORT and obviously the product of editing, I love the idea of a 2-hour pilot! Turn a weakness into a strength.
6. Bank robbery scene was way too short and FX light -- I understand the car chase scene being short due to the "cape", but she saved the day in the bank robbery. The bullets bouncing off looked fine, but they all seemed to bounce of her two shoulder blades. Considering the rapid rate of fire, it should have been far more richochets one would think (given the number of slugs bouncing off). I was also hoping for a full length shot of her in the short red boots.

The Ugly
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1. As good as the plane crash was VFX wise, I thought the final fight was kinda bad. The truck scene and the heat vision were pretty well done, but the fighting looked awkward and too "wire-y" at times. The kick through the truck was great from a girl power standpoint, but I thought it looked awkward. UPDATE: OK, I just watched the pilot again in 1080 HD....the last fight scene doesn't look as bad as I thought. In fact, looks pretty decent aside from a few scenes (still the kick thru the truck)
2. Vartox -- still wavering whether I liked him or not. He seemed way over the top and literal, but then again he was an alien. Some of his lines were just too corny and over the top for me.
3. Speaking of dialog, it did border on ubercheesy at times as well. I know its light comic book fare, but they seemed to over do it at times. The DOE I thought, got some atrocious lines (Henshaw's "some of them have powers beyond your wildest nightmares" and "make sure you win!" along with Alex's "why? cause she's a girl? That's what we were counting on!") I can handle some characters (like Wynn) having nerdy, cliche lines, but it didn't seem to fit Henshaw's character. Of course, I was thinking of David Estes (Homeland) everytime he opened his mouth.....

Overall, I thought it was quite solid.....better than most superhero pilots I have seen (except maybe Daredevil). I think if they didn't do anything to the pilot, it would be a great pilot and set to air, but I hope they can do a little polish on it, if nothing else than just some of the VFX in the final scene.

I've watched it now 3 times in its entirety and am feeling more and more confident we'll see a great show come November.

ElF
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26 May 2015 21:47 #42380 by Scwank
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[SPOILERS BELOW!!]]

I probably missed it, but can anyone explain the reasoning behind her capture and subsequent release by the DOE? I wasn't fully focused on the dialog during that segment, but it seemed like they captured her, and tied her to the table, only to talk to her a bit and then let her go. What was the point of capturing her if they only planned to talk to her? Or did they just let her go because of her sister?

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26 May 2015 22:02 - 26 May 2015 22:02 #42381 by shadar
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Scwank wrote: [SPOILERS BELOW!!]]

I probably missed it, but can anyone explain the reasoning behind her capture and subsequent release by the DOE? I wasn't fully focused on the dialog during that segment, but it seemed like they captured her, and tied her to the table, only to talk to her a bit and then let her go. What was the point of capturing her if they only planned to talk to her? Or did they just let her go because of her sister?


I thought that was weird too. They apparently staged the fire so they could ambush her with Kryptonite darts and then strap her to a table. I suppose that was their idea of having a little talk. But all they had to do was to ask Alexa to bring her by for a chat. But I figured, what the hell. It's a trope. Tying Supergirl to a table with green K. Had to do it I guess. Even if it was pointless.

If they have to cut anything from the final pilot, this scene is on the top of my list to go.

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27 May 2015 01:07 #42386 by talk2sparky
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Scwank wrote: [SPOILERS BELOW!!]]

I probably missed it, but can anyone explain the reasoning behind her capture and subsequent release by the DOE? I wasn't fully focused on the dialog during that segment, but it seemed like they captured her, and tied her to the table, only to talk to her a bit and then let her go. What was the point of capturing her if they only planned to talk to her? Or did they just let her go because of her sister?


I'm thinking to make a point. Hank can say "Look, we can bring you down. You better do what we say." He doesn't trust aliens and that includes Kara.
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27 May 2015 03:35 #42389 by TwiceOnThursdays
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lfan wrote:
2. The prison ship -- been mentioned a bunch before, but if Kara's ship busted thru 12 years ago, why was a group so bent on world domination (at least its upper mgmt) been lying low for so long? Basically you figure there are hundreds of supermen (and women!) in there, why wait 12 years as technology becomes more advanced for the DOE, why not strike now? I have to feel that more of this will be revealed later.

ElF


When talking to Vartox, creepy second in command guy, said "We've been forced to hide in the shadows for 12 years. But the General's arrival is imminent. Nothing must interfere."

I suspect that the answer to your question is "Why is the General just now arriving".

Was she still stuck in the Phantom Zone? Something/one caused Kara's ship to exit the zone, it wasn't accidental. And NO WAY was the Prison ship following accidental.

I could see with Earth's tech, it might have taken them a bit to rig up access to the Zone, and go get the General.

Why all those criminals would listen and lay low until then? I don't know. They might have had to kill a few to keep them in line, so their hand wasn't tipped to early. That is the evil military Kryptonians, kept order until their leader arrived.

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27 May 2015 05:07 #42392 by bionicskillz
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My review - She's like the white "Ugly Betty"

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27 May 2015 19:15 #42408 by jdrock24
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bionicskillz wrote: My review - She's like the white "Ugly Betty"


I've never seen the show "Ugly Betty" so I don't get the reference. So is your comment a compliment or a criticism as I honestly don't know?

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29 May 2015 18:50 #42466 by thewisewatcher
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Normally we would give a pilot a little bit of leeway and allow a show to stretch it's legs but in this age of SuperHero stuff being highly rated/commercially viable successes I feel that this show wasn't thoroughly thought out.
The tone, dialogue and plot all seem kind of rushed. I understand that you need to establish a show and all it's characters during a pilot to get viewers invested but there were so many elements that could have waited until further along in a season.

The only positive I can take away from this show is that for TV, the special effects are amazing. I will still give this show a chance but I don't think I'll be watching for much longer if this is the tone being set.
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31 May 2015 12:52 #42489 by Monty
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Just watched it for the first time...no need for a torrent download and potentially damaging the pc at the family home....it's on a google video search to watch online.

The moment when I said "uh....wow"? The final fight scene when she pours on the heat vision above her and she turns her head away with the shining afterglow in her eyes as she turns it off...wow!
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31 May 2015 17:57 #42492 by AuGoose
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I would say the moment there's a clear photo of her (which they go out of their way to tell us there is after the bank fight) the very concept of secret identity is gone (its one of those comic tropes that has far outlived it's usefulness). Then again I've played with Google's facial recognition software and it is grossly powerful.

Some of her emotional roller-coaster antics are agonizingly pedestrian writing. Her pouting after the big scary alien scratched her made me want to retch. "Earth doesn't need me." Whatever. Get over yourself. Earth got along just fine for over a decade while you were hiding under your glasses. But hey, I like my women to actually be strong... Which means amongst other thing giving Hank Henshaw a hard stare and asking "Are you always an obnoxious dick, or only to the female aliens?" Seriously, the is no cause to be rude to the FUCKING KRYPTONIAN. Causal takedown aside you don't want to piss her off. It's shlock writing about a military officer who obviously has no business in the post he holds. No one actually gets to a posting like that without a basic understanding of decorum/diplomacy. Tedious trope-o-rama.

I dearly wish the series nemesis had a title other than "General" It was a cheap thrill hinting at Zod. And last I checked Kryptonian families went into guilds/professions as a whole genetic line. So the sister of a judge would typically be... another Judge? Tell you what "The Judge is coming" would be a hell of a lot scarier than "the General is coming" if you're not going to actually deliver on Zod.

Well, at least there's room for improvement.

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03 Jun 2015 21:52 - 04 Jun 2015 00:50 #42561 by Monty
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I found this... it's very nice and very well put together

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