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A big song and dance (about nothing..?)

12 Aug 2016 13:25 - 17 Aug 2016 10:30 #49557 by five_red
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[ I thought I'd post this in a separate thread, so not to pollute someone else's thread with any possible feedback. ]

Personally I'm not a big fan of people on forums who exclaim "...because of X I'm never watching this show ever again! That's it. It's dead to me!" (Strangely, said people hardly ever stop commenting about new episodes!) But, with grave regret, I suspect I'm going to have to write one of those forum posts myself, because recent news and rumours about the Supergirl show has made me think twice about my commitment to the series.

I'm no longer certain who the intended audience is for "Supergirl", but I've become increasingly concerned that said audience probably doesn't include the likes of me.

There was much to commend about season one: the show has an absolutely first rate cast, and the special effects (although not perfect) did their job despite what must have been some major challenges. But, as many have pointed out on numerous forums (including this one), the thing that let the season down time-and-time-again was some seriously choppy writing. What I was hoping for -- nay, fully expecting -- from season two was that the writers would knuckle down and give us some bloody good plots. Sadly, as news has filtered in about the second season, they seem to be taking the route of gimmick laden episodes designed to get cheap ratings spikes -- the televisual equivalent of click bait, one might call it.

News of the musical episodes and four part crossover was what finally did it for me.

Now, I'm not against musical episodes per se, but I do think that before a show does self-referential episodes that spoof or otherwise subvert their usual form (novelty episodes, in other words!), they need to build a backlog of solid storytelling and a lot of trust from the audience first. This is what I believe happened with Buffy when it did a musical show, and to some extent Doctor Who when it did the Love & Monsters comedy episode. Audiences didn't mind both shows having fun at they own expense for one episode, because both shows had earned the right to do something off-the-wall and out-of-left-field.

I'm not sure Supergirl, with its hit-n-miss first season, has really banked enough trust with the audience to afford it the luxury of a novelty episode. (Maybe The Flash has, but I'm pretty certain Supergirl hasn't.)

When a successful show with a track record of delivering good episodes does a novelty episode, it is seen as stretching the show into new territory, trying new things, mixing up the formula. When a struggling show does a novelty episode, it looks like they're not taking themselves seriously.

And if Supergirl isn't taking itself seriously, why should I..?

Sure, almost all the cast are good singers, but so what? As I said to Fats when I found out about the musical episodes: John Barrowman used to work in kids tv, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do Arrow with sock puppets..!!!

The problem is I only have so much time I can devote to watching tv drama per week, and there's been an explosion of great shows of late thanks to money from cable channels and services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. I'm already watching The Americans, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, Deutschland 83, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Homeland, Humans, The Musketeers, etc... plus various one-off series (eg. the BBC's The Secret Agent)... and I have shows backing up that I'd like to watch (Mr. Robot, Outcast, Stranger Things...)

Supergirl is one of my favourite comicbook characters, and all-time favourite superheroine, but even so... there comes a point when you need to ask yourself: "am I really the audience for this show?" With Supergirl what I wanted was something that was fun and lighthearted, but with engaging plots and characters. It looks, however, like the show might be going down a more gimmick-of-the-week driven route, with Superman, multiple crossover episodes, musicals... The solid, consistent, well-thought-out storylines I was hoping for from the writers in season two look an ever more dim possibility with each new announcement. Now might be a good point to bail out.

It's a gamble: perhaps season two will be totally amazing, but right now I think the show seems an uncomfortable fit for me. I will, however, continue to post announcements and new episode threads on this forum, as part of my duties as a mod. And I'll continue to discuss the show, but obviously not with the authority of actually having seen any of the new episodes. Perhaps I can we won around in the weeks leading up to the first episode, but I hold out little hope.

Oh well. :)


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12 Aug 2016 14:20 #49561 by TwiceOnThursdays
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five_red wrote:
The problem is I only have so much time I can devote to watching tv drama per week, and there's been an explosion of great shows of late thanks to money from cable channels and services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. I'm already watching The Americans, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, Deutschland 83, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Homeland, Humans, The Musketeers, etc... plus various one-off series (eg. the BBC's The Secret Agent)... and I have shows backing up that I'd like to watch (Mr. Robot, Outcast, Stranger Things...)

Supergirl is one of my favourite comicbook characters, and all-time favourite superheroine, but even so... there comes a point when you need to ask yourself: "am I really the audience for this show?" With Supergirl what I wanted was something that was fun and lighthearted, but with engaging plots and characters. It looks, however, like the show might be going down a more gimmick-of-the-week driven route, with Superman, multiple crossover episodes, musicals... The solid, consistent, well-thought-out storylines I was hoping for from the writers in season two look an ever more dim possibility with each new announcement. Now might be a good point to bail out.

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As someone who just got around to Mr. Robot, it's great. Made me buy Season 2 (1 is streaming free on Amazon Prime). Stranger Things is up next I think. Need to finish it before Luke Cage in September. (I have so many things I've not gotten to yet it's not funny.)

I will say, this entire post is well though out. OTH, it also is filled with a lot of what I call "borrowing trouble". That is making assumptions, and then positing from those. Now, I think I AGREE with most of what you said, but they're still guesswork analysis. One life lesson I learned is "don't borrow trouble" -- that is don't get too invested in things that haven't happened yet. Works better on a altercation with a person -- we often ascribe motives to people that just aren't there and get all worked up about it instead of just talking it out. The resolution is harder as you're extra upset over things that were never meant (etc).

You do this a bit here, adding in good analysis, but still, not having seen the real result, we have no idea what is actually happening.

You do bring it around in the end -- the "wait and see". I'm a bit concerned myself, but figure that my current plan is fairly simple:

- i'm not stressing about it. ;-)
- I won't pay up front for Supergirl like I did last year.
- if I can't stream it (free) to my TV, my plan is to wait until the season block hits Netflix 8 days after the finale.
- IF I find that people are raving about the show or it's at lest better than S1, I'll purchase a streaming rights to the show from Amazon/Apple and start to watch it. If I find it's "not good", I can just cancel and not be out much.

If I wait until it hits Netflix, I can watch at my own pace, and give up/binge as I see fit. It'll also take up less of my time, because I won't feel motivated to squeeze in 45 minutes of TV viewing (among all the other shows) and can instead modulate to when I want (so maybe I'd write more...). But it does make me really appreciate the British/Netflix/other short seasons. 6-12 REALLY strong episodes are better than 24 where 10 are good. I might not watch the 10 then!

Re: Limitless (Tv not movie, movie is better/different) which I finally watched on Netflix. I did like the show, but it had several blah episodes mixed in with some where everything seemed to work really well and I thought the episode was great. So I took to just reading the plot of the episode and skipped a few. If the opening "what happened" made the skipped episodes seem great, I'd go watch them. Sometimes I watched 10m and skipped. Probably watched < 60% of the episodes. Probably missed out on some good TV, but also, I'd not have finished otherwise. It didn't help that the show was ... almost as bad as Supergirl with the character. "I am super-smart and have a perfect memory, and can do impossible things. Oh, this doesn't work." (complex device made from markers and a colander, etc) Fumbles around a bit. "Oh, I forgot to plug it in!" From a character who is billed as "can remember everything". I mean I GET forgetting (human) but he'd find it by flashing for a second and then plugging it in not fumbling around and discovering it. (re: Supergirl and lift a super heavy key, fly a space station to space, but has trouble lifting one cable car.)

But then, that's why I like binging, sometimes I just hop ahead. I can always go back.

I'll probably do this with ALL the CW shows. Flash/Supergirl/Legends are up in the air though. Flash/LoT are fun, and might make the cut so I have something to kill some time with during the year. Supergirl I'm going to let the people here convince me one way or the other. (I'm hoping it's "good enough" to convince me to buy, so they get a S3 to maybe pull things around -- though I can't think of show where it takes three seasons to get good.
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12 Aug 2016 14:59 - 12 Aug 2016 15:02 #49564 by lfan
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Calm down, people.....It amazes me how critical people are with their entertainment these days and the zealousness that they feel personally slighted and 'damaged' (some jackass is suing WB over Suicide Squad's false advertisement) when the shows don't tee up everything that they want to see exactly how they want to see it......

Supergirl is doing A musical episode, it's not turning into a musical! It's one episode in the course of a 22 episode season. Every season of every drama is known to do a "filler" episode now and then. Just chalk this up to that. I strongly doubt it will weave into any of more serious underlying plot lines of the season. I gotta think the producers and TPTB understand that.....

I'd be more concerned over the myriad of guest stars and characters, illustrating that we might be in store again for either quick storylines or storylines with little (or speedy) character development. My biggest qualm with S1 was the pace of the show and already we have Superman's arrival, resolution of the pod (presumably with Mon-El), Kara's new job, Miss Martian, Lena Luthor, probably Cadmus labs, Flashpoint, and a musical throwaway episode....and that doesn't even touch Kat's probable phase out, the Kara-Jimmy romance, Max Lord's schemes, etc.......that seems like a lot of ground to cover.
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12 Aug 2016 15:38 #49567 by TwiceOnThursdays
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Let me reiterate the "but I'm not stressing about it". ;-)

I'm currently at the "I don't think I need to buy this", but taking a wait and see approach. Fortunately, the people here will let me know if it's worthwhile or not. (Just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't mean that I won't read what they say and decide I need to check it out for myself.)

re: musical episode. If the season is good, no one will care that it's "filler". IF it's well written/super fun, no one will care either. People will only care if the season is "meh" and the particular episode isn't that good either.

I tend to find most musical shows (if it's 100% musical) annoying. I'd rather just see a SG/Flash duet. Maybe in costume. But just them goofing around would really do it for me. I found the entire ice cream/doughnuts scene in the Flash/SG crossover worth the entire episode so I really didn't get bothered by the cheesy ending. A Kara/Barry karaoke night sounds super fun. Or is that Kara-oke? Karaoke with Barry while Arrow simmers in the background trying to be serious. Hell yeah. Them finding a song and forcing arrow through force of happy/bubbly to gamely sing his part. Fantastic. ;-) Just the thought of those two being super happy/excited and Arrow trying to deal with that makes me happy. I guess that's why some might hate crossover episodes, as you give me that scene and I really don't care if the rest of the episode is shit (but would prefer it not to be).

But after that, I'll have to see it. At worst, I'll be binging it, so if I don't like it, I can "next". I'll likely have lots of people telling me scene X is where it's at, so I can FF and not miss the good parts. ;-)

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12 Aug 2016 15:55 #49568 by five_red
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lfan wrote: I'd be more concerned over the myriad of guest stars and characters, illustrating that we might be in store again for either quick storylines or storylines with little (or speedy) character development. [...]


Yes, the pacing is also a concern. They need to slow it down a fair bit and give the storylines room to breathe.

An analogy: there are teens that get good exam grades, and teens that scrape through with passing grades. With the former type you can be like: "sure, you can goof about at the mall with your friends for a day, because you've put the exam revision in so you've earned a break". With the latter you are more: "get back to your room and start revising, you need to get better, not fool around!" Supergirl is more the latter type. The show is getting "promising, but could do better" on its report card; I want evidence that they are knuckling down and focusing on great story telling, but all they keep announcing is novelty episodes, crossovers, and ratings-grabbing guest appearances. Really, given the shape the writing is in, there shouldn't be any goofing-off episodes. Not until the problems are fixed.

With streaming services there's always the possibility to go back and watch a show at any point . My dilemma is whether I still bother to follow Supergirl 'live', so I can contribute to the active fanbase around the show as it is broadcast, or whether I drop the show and file it under something I might possibly think about watching in future, maybe. (Mr. Robot won't watch itself!)


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12 Aug 2016 21:08 #49572 by shadar
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lfan wrote: Calm down, people.....It amazes me how critical people are with their entertainment these days and the zealousness that they feel personally slighted and 'damaged' (some jackass is suing WB over Suicide Squad's false advertisement) when the shows don't tee up everything that they want to see exactly how they want to see it......

Supergirl is doing A musical episode, it's not turning into a musical! It's one episode in the course of a 22 episode season. Every season of every drama is known to do a "filler" episode now and then. Just chalk this up to that. I strongly doubt it will weave into any of more serious underlying plot lines of the season. I gotta think the producers and TPTB understand that.....

I'd be more concerned over the myriad of guest stars and characters, illustrating that we might be in store again for either quick storylines or storylines with little (or speedy) character development. My biggest qualm with S1 was the pace of the show and already we have Superman's arrival, resolution of the pod (presumably with Mon-El), Kara's new job, Miss Martian, Lena Luthor, probably Cadmus labs, Flashpoint, and a musical throwaway episode....and that doesn't even touch Kat's probable phase out, the Kara-Jimmy romance, Max Lord's schemes, etc.......that seems like a lot of ground to cover.


And don't forget... Melissa can really sing. I think it's a great idea. I'd rather have too much going on in the show than too little. I'm just hoping for some good stories. We can't forget that this is a show about 'magical' aliens and all. It'll be pretty cool if one of them can sing.

Reminds me about people who get upset if shows about UFO's or Star Wars/Star Trek hardware "get it technically wrong". It's impossible to get it "technically wrong" in a show about something that doesn't exist. Same goes here. The range of comic book portrayals of the various incarnations of Supergirl (not to mention Superman) is wide indeed. Remember when he was made completely of different colors of energy? Duh.

My plan is to get really stoned and smile a lot while enjoying every episode. Some of you may have different plans.

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12 Aug 2016 21:56 #49574 by andyf
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The shows producers are big Buffy The Vampire Slayer fans. Buffy did a musical episode in season 6 and these people think they can do it too. Consider the fact that Sarah Michelle Gellar did not come from a music background and the episode still ended up being one of the series best ever eps.

You know Melissa Beniost's history with music. It's not easy to predict how better her performance will be compared to Gellar's. Great episode, coming right up!

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13 Aug 2016 12:26 #49581 by five_red
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Thinking about this for twenty-four hours...

Based on the announcements so far, season two is clearly pitching for the fan service audience (I believe the British terms is "fanwank"?) Andrew Kreisberg is a man who adores his cheap thrills over solid plots, and that's being reflected in the show. Superman in two episodes, a multi-episode crossover, and a musical -- and those are just the things they've announced thus far about the first half of the season.

I have to come clean: I had my doubts about Supergirl from the end of season one, but I was optimistic that the scriptwriting problems would be fixed in season two. (Someone on here, forgotten who, commented that the show looked like it was scripted by writers who weren't on the same page about who Supergirl was!) Sadly, I'm not a fan of fan service -- I prefer good stories over cheap thrills -- so each fresh announcement just reinforced the idea that Supergirl probably isn't a show aimed at me. The writers aren't just taking the show seriously enough.

In a way it could be argued that Kreisberg's approach is closer to the Silver Age storytelling of Kara's origins -- come up with an eye catching cover idea, then cobble together an excuse of a story to justify your sensational cover. In the oldern days when tv shows strayed towards gimmicky it was always a symptom that they were close to the end. To give two superheroine examples: The Bionic Woman's final season swung heavily towards UFOs, aliens, and monster-of-the-week; while Wonder Woman's final season themed stories around skateboarding, roller coasters, disco, teen pop idols, and 'star wars'. Maybe Kreisberg's penchant for fan servicing is right for this digital age(?) Maybe modern CW audiences just want the superficial and disposable, not the engrossing and thought provoking..? (But then why are streaming services chock-full of shows that are heavily plot/character driven..?!?)

If there were infinite hours in the day then I'd probably stick with watching Supergirl 'live' -- but there aren't. The show hasn't established a strong enough ethos of good solid storytelling, with consistent characterisation, to be afforded the luxury of goof-off episodes. It's a real shame that a show about my favourite superheroine seems to be being written in such a shallow way, but hey... when all said and done, it's just a bloody tv show. Worse things happen at sea... apparently. Maybe it's my own fault for being spoiled by shows like Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Mad Men, etc... I expect too much. :)


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13 Aug 2016 16:26 #49586 by shadar
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five_red wrote: Thinking about this for twenty-four hours...

Based on the announcements so far, season two is clearly pitching for the fan service audience (I believe the British terms is "fanwank"?) Andrew Kreisberg is a man who adores his cheap thrills over solid plots, and that's being reflected in the show. Superman in two episodes, a multi-episode crossover, and a musical -- and those are just the things they've announced thus far about the first half of the season.

I have to come clean: I had my doubts about Supergirl from the end of season one, but I was optimistic that the scriptwriting problems would be fixed in season two. (Someone on here, forgotten who, commented that the show looked like it was scripted by writers who weren't on the same page about who Supergirl was!) Sadly, I'm not a fan of fan service -- I prefer good stories over cheap thrills -- so each fresh announcement just reinforced the idea that Supergirl probably isn't a show aimed at me. The writers aren't just taking the show seriously enough.

In a way it could be argued that Kreisberg's approach is closer to the Silver Age storytelling of Kara's origins -- come up with an eye catching cover idea, then cobble together an excuse of a story to justify your sensational cover. In the oldern days when tv shows strayed towards gimmicky it was always a symptom that they were close to the end. To give two superheroine examples: The Bionic Woman's final season swung heavily towards UFOs, aliens, and monster-of-the-week; while Wonder Woman's final season themed stories around skateboarding, roller coasters, disco, teen pop idols, and 'star wars'. Maybe Kreisberg's penchant for fan servicing is right for this digital age(?) Maybe modern CW audiences just want the superficial and disposable, not the engrossing and thought provoking..? (But then why are streaming services chock-full of shows that are heavily plot/character driven..?!?)

If there were infinite hours in the day then I'd probably stick with watching Supergirl 'live' -- but there aren't. The show hasn't established a strong enough ethos of good solid storytelling, with consistent characterisation, to be afforded the luxury of goof-off episodes. It's a real shame that a show about my favourite superheroine seems to be being written in such a shallow way, but hey... when all said and done, it's just a bloody tv show. Worse things happen at sea... apparently. Maybe it's my own fault for being spoiled by shows like Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Mad Men, etc... I expect too much. :)


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Well said. There is an unavoidable tendency for those of us who like the character to want to see a serious, well-written and meaningful series of storylines. It's what we try to write as best we can. She has enormous potential to be a dramatic character with great stories, even better than Superman. Smallville TV came closer to than anyone else.

Unfortunately, most of the world wouldn't put "Supergirl" and "Serious" in the same sentence. So we are very much in the minority.

Instead, we see things like the 1984 Supergirl movie, which could have been great but wasn't. The comics who keep reinventing her with limited success and lots of dumb ideas. Fan fiction which largely tends to be exploitive. And now a TV show that is a bit goofy and schizoid. She doesn't really get much respect

I long ago gave up on having people see her as a serious character (outside this forum at least) and try to enjoy whatever I'm offered in whatever media, knowing that her story, as it lives in my head and many of yours, will always be far better than we'll ever see on a screen. I can live with that.

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14 Aug 2016 07:45 #49594 by AuGoose
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Just checking, but is it wrong Supergirl desperately wants to have Buffy tVS's cachet? I mean, we see TV and movie creatives fail to grasp the amount of 'footwork' that goes into making certain wild successes wildly successful. Then they try to shortcut directly to the shining moment. We see it All. The. Time.

I and most of my tribe LOVED Deadpool. But my friend with the gift for seeing all the weird and awful the world has to offer had no trouble running a thin blade of ice right between all our ribs afterwards: "You know we're gonna get a bunch of superhero movies soon, filled with sex and rolled in foul language because the execs see Deadpool's box office numbers but don't understand WHY it's good." ((shudder))

The Supergirl episode may work. It might not work. But at least they're stealing from the best. And maybe we should hope for the best too.

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14 Aug 2016 07:50 #49595 by AuGoose
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TwiceOnThursdays wrote: I tend to find most musical shows (if it's 100% musical) annoying. I'd rather just see a SG/Flash duet. Maybe in costume. But just them goofing around would really do it for me. I found the entire ice cream/doughnuts scene in the Flash/SG crossover worth the entire episode so I really didn't get bothered by the cheesy ending. A Kara/Barry karaoke night sounds super fun. Or is that Kara-oke? Karaoke with Barry while Arrow simmers in the background trying to be serious. Hell yeah. Them finding a song and forcing arrow through force of happy/bubbly to gamely sing his part. Fantastic. ;-) Just the thought of those two being super happy/excited and Arrow trying to deal with that makes me happy. I guess that's why some might hate crossover episodes, as you give me that scene and I really don't care if the rest of the episode is shit (but would prefer it not to be).


((raises hand)) I'd watch that :cheer: . In part because I believe deep down Oliver Queen is actually incapable of resisting super happy/bubbly. Mostly because as much as he's carved his 'mask' into grim and formidable lines, his soul isn't dead.

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17 Aug 2016 03:39 #49644 by Brad2
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Interesting thread. Does anyone know how to contact the show's writers directly? I've tried searching for snail mail addresses for Andrew Kreisberg, Greg Berlanti, Ali Adler, and Sarah Schechter, but came up dry.

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17 Aug 2016 17:40 #49655 by castor
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andyf wrote: The shows producers are big Buffy The Vampire Slayer fans. Buffy did a musical episode in season 6 and these people think they can do it too. Consider the fact that Sarah Michelle Gellar did not come from a music background and the episode still ended up being one of the series best ever eps.

You know Melissa Beniost's history with music. It's not easy to predict how better her performance will be compared to Gellar's. Great episode, coming right up!


I think you hit the nail on it. Its Wants to be Buffy. So Does Flash, Arrow, I zombie and for that matter Supernatural. Its a mix of kinda simplistic Soap Opera drama, easy to follow plotlines, cute dialogue, and you know action. A lot of the people came from Smallville which was really Buffy.

The show was kinda of paced last Season Like Buffy, which had an ongoing plotline but every 8 or so episodes changed it, a mix of episodes refering to it and ignoring. Above all it was really fast paced. Really Fast Paced, i think to hide if something doesn't work, well you know move on. This is exactly like buffy

The question is that a good thing? As i have said:i think on a technical excerise the show in the first season wasn't great. Bad Cinemtography, Not Great special Effects, costuming etc. This wasn't always good as Buffy

. Say What you will about Weddon. On TV he knew what he had well. There is a fascinating section on the low budget Serenity Movie commentary about the Big CGI fest Climax, about how little actual CGI is in it, becuse they carefully picked the very litmited times you see it. for supergirl do think they got better about that as the season went along, but i don't think it was always good. I am not sure it can be good-i am not entirely sure that you can do 22 episodes uber show with good special effects in 2016.

But they tried-and i think the vancouver may help them try harder and agian. I think the show is worth giving a shot to. The stuff the show does well-the acting is great and its star is really does a good job. And that i keep hoping for.

I will say this: I liked buffy-but after about 5 seasons i turned of the season premere of the next one and never really watched it agian. it became to dark and self serious. I haven't seen that in Supergirl yet. its a relentnless optomistic and cheery show. And i like that.

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17 Aug 2016 20:07 - 17 Aug 2016 20:12 #49660 by Monty
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AuGoose wrote: Just checking, but is it wrong Supergirl desperately wants to have Buffy tVS's cachet? I mean, we see TV and movie creatives fail to grasp the amount of 'footwork' that goes into making certain wild successes wildly successful. Then they try to shortcut directly to the shining moment. We see it All. The. Time.

I and most of my tribe LOVED Deadpool. But my friend with the gift for seeing all the weird and awful the world has to offer had no trouble running a thin blade of ice right between all our ribs afterwards: "You know we're gonna get a bunch of superhero movies soon, filled with sex and rolled in foul language because the execs see Deadpool's box office numbers but don't understand WHY it's good." ((shudder))

The Supergirl episode may work. It might not work. But at least they're stealing from the best. And maybe we should hope for the best too.


I agree Goose, it may just work as a one-off, a bit of fun to lighten the load. Maybe seeing her enjoying her strength in a charasmatic fashion rather than just fighting characters (who really she should be beating the hell out of with no effort and no comeback) - it got boring after a while watching her battle "adversaries"- apart from, of course, with Astra. I thought the show ended up portraying itself too seriously in the first season. Lighten the load a little and let her play with her powers, especially her strength, too much emphasis on flying and fighting in the first series I thought. Just my opinion.
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19 Aug 2016 17:24 #49710 by ace191
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As Argo used to say to me when we were writing TSOS, "Don't holler until you are hurt." I really don't care what they have Mellisa do as long as she is in her red and blues. Anything they come up with she will make better, and I will enjoy along with my wife watching it. I am just so glad that she is getting a second shot at playing SG in Season Two!

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19 Aug 2016 17:49 - 19 Aug 2016 17:52 #49712 by shadar
Replied by shadar on topic A big song and dance (about nothing..?)

castor wrote:

andyf wrote: The shows producers are big Buffy The Vampire Slayer fans. Buffy did a musical episode in season 6 and these people think they can do it too. Consider the fact that Sarah Michelle Gellar did not come from a music background and the episode still ended up being one of the series best ever eps.

You know Melissa Beniost's history with music. It's not easy to predict how better her performance will be compared to Gellar's. Great episode, coming right up!


I think you hit the nail on it. Its Wants to be Buffy. So Does Flash, Arrow, I zombie and for that matter Supernatural. Its a mix of kinda simplistic Soap Opera drama, easy to follow plotlines, cute dialogue, and you know action. A lot of the people came from Smallville which was really Buffy.

The show was kinda of paced last Season Like Buffy, which had an ongoing plotline but every 8 or so episodes changed it, a mix of episodes refering to it and ignoring. Above all it was really fast paced. Really Fast Paced, i think to hide if something doesn't work, well you know move on. This is exactly like buffy

The question is that a good thing? As i have said:i think on a technical excerise the show in the first season wasn't great. Bad Cinemtography, Not Great special Effects, costuming etc. This wasn't always good as Buffy

. Say What you will about Weddon. On TV he knew what he had well. There is a fascinating section on the low budget Serenity Movie commentary about the Big CGI fest Climax, about how little actual CGI is in it, becuse they carefully picked the very litmited times you see it. for supergirl do think they got better about that as the season went along, but i don't think it was always good. I am not sure it can be good-i am not entirely sure that you can do 22 episodes uber show with good special effects in 2016.

But they tried-and i think the vancouver may help them try harder and agian. I think the show is worth giving a shot to. The stuff the show does well-the acting is great and its star is really does a good job. And that i keep hoping for.

I will say this: I liked buffy-but after about 5 seasons i turned of the season premere of the next one and never really watched it agian. it became to dark and self serious. I haven't seen that in Supergirl yet. its a relentnless optomistic and cheery show. And i like that.


Say what you want about Whedon, but he brought us two of the best TV shows ever. Buffy and Firefly. And both featured a superhuman teenage girl. His movies, other than the fan-fest that was Serenity, might suck a bit, but when he writes to his core vision, he's great. (And yes, Buffy went on far too long and got too serious. Firefly is timelessly perfect because it died before he ran out of good stories.)

Years ago he said in a moment of clarity that he couldn't write anything that didn't feature a superpowered teenage girl. I applauded, given I have the same 'problem'. He then tried to grow past that, but couldn't. He should stick to where his passion is.

To the Firefly phenomena... Very few shows survive success and multiple seasons. Anything past two or three seasons seems to self-destruct. I'd rather have a show that dies too early than one that dies too late. Firefly forever!!!
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