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S02 worth watching in terms of super strength?

21 Jun 2017 13:32 #54924 by Gargamel
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Are there superstrength scenes from either supergirl or other females? I watched S01 and the first 3-4 episodes of S02 but the storyline/acting was so dull that I decided to let it be. I really wanted to give this show a chance but now I'm mainly interested in ss-stuff. Therefore, can you point me to episodes/scenes? S01 was not too bad from this point of view (with by far beeing the best episode the one in which melissa makes contact with red kryptonite of course), so maybe there is some hope.
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21 Jun 2017 16:54 #54925 by shadar
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Your question made me think. Then I laughed, not at you but at the concept. For when it comes to Kryptonians, their Number One power, by far, has always been their fantastic strength of body, combined with invulnerability. That's mainly what makes a Krypt a Krypt.

The fact that we'd even have to question where to see super strength used in a Supergirl show says a lot. At least to me.
Sort of like asking for episodes of a sailing show where it proves that water is wet.

The reality is that laser vision and flying are what the show focused on. The other powers were there when needed, but that wasn't what the show focused on. Mostly they showed up during fight scenes, and that was always hard to judge. Was she 10 or 50 times stronger than a human or a BILLION times stronger? The end of Season 1 suggested the last (tossing the million ton Fort Roz into space).

I'd have to go back and rewatch every episode (which I haven't finished watching the first time) to find good examples of pure super strength. it's my impression that was done more in Season 1. The pilot episode with the airliner. The Fort Roz thing.

Any Supergirl TV experts want to clarify further? I think we're talking pure raw strength here.

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22 Jun 2017 14:53 #54948 by jdrock24
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I would like to know the answer to this question also. Now that Season 2 is on Netflix, it would be great if I could just skip to the relevant episodes and not have to sit through the bad writing and silly plot points.
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22 Jun 2017 18:10 #54953 by Monty
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Not superstrength from Melissa, but this scene looks pretty cool. It was voted in the top two scenes of the second season.

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22 Jun 2017 22:32 #54954 by shadar
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Monty wrote: Not superstrength from Melissa, but this scene looks pretty cool. It was voted in the top two scenes of the second season.



While that is a cute scene, the request had been for examples of super-strength. Season 2 is full of flying and laser vision, but I wouldn't say that this scene shows anything superhuman except for flight.

Season 1 we had Kara lifting airliners, ambulances, giant space stations (which are on the ground) and getting into fights with other super-strong characters. Even scene like her standing in the road and having a semi truck split in two and explode as it ran into her were interesting.

Not so much in Season 2. In fact, I'm drawing a blank.

I assume super-strength is a lot more complicated and pricey to show than some laser vision or a bit of trapeze post-production work.

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25 Jun 2017 23:30 #55001 by SCOTT R
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"I assume super-strength is a lot more complicated and pricey to show than some laser vision or a bit of trapeze post-production work."

They should ask TKS if they can borrow his rubber crowbar.
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27 Jun 2017 20:31 #55037 by peterso20
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That gif is really cool - and sorry for going off topic but my favourite power has always been flight... does anyone know of any good links or compilations of the flying effects and scenes in Supergirl? Particularly the casual ones where she's using her flight powers in more every day situations...
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29 Jun 2017 22:28 - 29 Jun 2017 22:33 #55077 by lowerbase
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In Smallville the main Clark's power is that he is superfast.

In Supergirl is the laser vision

Kryptonians have a weakness greater than Kryptonite, which is the low budget (anyone care to remember Superman 4? His powers went batshit crazy because of the low budget, like fixing the great wall of china by just staring at it!)

Material bending and fracturing is one of the most difficult effects to do in CG to this day (it is like a complex cloth simulation). I see big budget movies still using practical effects instead, and besides, the interaction between the actor and the force applied to the material is very hard to get it right with physics simulations.

Even in Pixar/Dreamworks full CG movies they avoid any scene with material deforming/fracturing. Which is one of the reasons that hand drawn animation has better 'destruction scenes' than most movies, like Iron Giant or Akira. Hero 6 or any recent Marvel movies the destruction scenes still has always something off.

One of the things that still pisses me off on all 'super strength' scenes is a 170lbs person lifting a ton like an empty plate (which is the cheapest form of showing super strength). Physics don't work this way, in reality the person would be lifted by his own force from the floor instead, that is, unless the super person is exactly below the center of mass of the heavier object and so is able to squat it up. On Kryptonians I give a break because they can fly, but still in all of these scenes, including Wonder Woman lifting a tank, it shows them using their feet for leverage.
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29 Jun 2017 22:48 #55080 by kikass2014
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Kryptonians have a weakness greater than Kryptonite, which is the low budget (anyone care to remember Superman 4? His powers went batshit crazy because of the low budget, like fixing the great wall of china by just staring at it!)


One of the funniest things I've read in a while :D And so true :dry:

Bravo sir, bravo :)

Peace.

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30 Jun 2017 01:15 #55084 by shadar
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lowerbase wrote:
One of the things that still pisses me off on all 'super strength' scenes is a 170lbs person lifting a ton like an empty plate (which is the cheapest form of showing super strength). Physics don't work this way, in reality the person would be lifted by his own force from the floor instead, that is, unless the super person is exactly below the center of mass of the heavier object and so is able to squat it up. On Kryptonians I give a break because they can fly, but still in all of these scenes, including Wonder Woman lifting a tank, it shows them using their feet for leverage.


I have the same problem with most of those scenes. In reality, the body mechanics to use that kind of strength would be unusual, and anything mechanical (like a vehicle) is going to bend and pop and distort as it lifted from outside its center of gravity. And even if all that weight somehow did rest on their feet, they are likely to damage whatever they are standing on.

But they don't have to go all the way there. They could make it WAY better with one simple thing -- have the blue-screen actor actually lift an awkwardly sized, heavy 'blue' weight that is close to their limit of strength. That will require them to adjust their footing and balance and show real muscles working. Then add the car or tank or whatever in post-production as usual.

How hard can that be?
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30 Jun 2017 11:51 #55087 by brantley
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Finally, finally some fresh thinking!

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01 Jul 2017 18:02 #55108 by kikass2014
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They could make it WAY better with one simple thing -- have the blue-screen actor actually lift an awkwardly sized, heavy 'blue' weight that is close to their limit of strength. That will require them to adjust their footing and balance and show real muscles working. Then add the car or tank or whatever in post-production as usual.


That's some pretty smart thinking tbh. Never even considered that.

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