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Supergirl Pilot Thread (and reaction)

22 May 2015 10:36 - 22 May 2015 10:38 #42267 by kikass2014
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Tbh, this leak was to be expected. Same thing happened with the Wonder Woman pilot back in 2011 I think. That one had unfinished fx shots, but for the most part, was complete.

Leak or not, I'll still be watching and supporting in November.

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22 May 2015 12:46 #42270 by bach2990
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I will say it again. It's killing me inside. When the trailer came out, a arrow hit me and smash my soul in to pieces. Everyday I'm trying to piece my soul back, one piece at the time. Now I have to start over again, and this time I CAN NOT WAIT FOR NOVEMBER.
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22 May 2015 13:41 #42271 by ace191
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Right now, the LAST THING that I would want to do is to hurt CBS. They have put big money into this, and I hope they get a big return. Looking forward to November.
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22 May 2015 13:55 #42272 by castor
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Also no matter how good the trailer is, i suspect the pilot is going to have at least some polish done to it before November in effects, color correction and editing.

You watch it early you maybe a touch early as you don't see the final edit where the pants will be darkened.
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22 May 2015 16:32 #42278 by oogber
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Ack, sorry Fats.
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22 May 2015 19:46 - 22 May 2015 19:49 #42279 by lfan
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Just a few quick things regarding the leaked trailer....

1) It is an individual choice whether you "can't wait to see it" or not, but I truly hope everyone will still watch the pilot when it airs to support it (as well as possibly catch a cleaner, edited version). Our community has been waiting YEARS for this type of show, so I hope at least our community will stand behind it at the onset.

2) SWM will NOT be posting links, screenshots, or reviews of the pilot. Anyone posting links will be taken out into the public square and flogged, and the offending content will be removed. As such, please also do not solicit people to email you links here. This is one piece of content, y'all are gonna have to figure out on your own (if you choose to watch it)

3) Leak or not? Without any tangible inside info, I am of the belief that this was leaked intentionally by the studios. At the time I found it pretty remarkable that NO pictures, footage, info on the pilot had leaked during filming (yeah, there was that one pic I know but that was it). Now after the buzz of the trailer, they get so incredibly careless or lax that a completed version of the pilot (in 1040p) gets leaked? Doesn't gel with me. Of course, there were advanced copies that were sent to some media people, but most screeners are watermarked aren't they? This means that either the "leak" was a different copy or one of the screeners leaked it, meaning they sent a non-watermarked version out for screening? Also, I understand the rush to get the trailer edited for the upfronts (already scheduled) but why the huge rush to finish a pilot set for November premiere? They wrapped filming on March 29th (I think) so then they busted their ass on all the post-production stuff to "finish" a complete pilot just to wait around for 6 months? Sounds like they were rushing to complete it with a purpose in mind. Finally, this seems to mimic the Flash leak last year which paved the way to a lot of success for Flash and Berlanti. Could he be testing the waters again?

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22 May 2015 21:56 #42280 by five_red
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The problem with the leak is that it makes discussion problematic, as some forum members will have all the answers and you can guarantee a few of them won't be able to resist posting covert teasers or jokes that drop hints. If someone innocently ponders "anyone wonder if Kara only wears her glasses after she becomes Supergirl, or if she wears them from the start?", you can be sure some idiot will post "maybe Clark Kent LENSE them to her, LOL!!!"... and then they'll be a big argument about not posting spoilers, and whether 'knowing' jokes constitute spoilers, and so on, thereby exposing fragment by fragment the plot. And the opposite will also happen -- every stray joke or idle speculation will be taken up and crewed over as if it might actually be privileged knowledge from the leaked pilot. And insanity thereby ensues.

So... while agreeing not to overtly discuss the pilot, can we also agree not to covertly reference the pilot in knowing little comments? And if anyone does happen to weave a few verboten details into a comment, can we also agree just to ignore said comment, so that those who have chosen to wait until November are not alerted to the fact that an innocuous looking comment is actually a minor spoiler..? Would that work, y'think..?

As for who and how the trailer was leaked, I have no idea but I doubt the studio did it deliberately. Maybe I'm just naive. I don't know the workflow of Hollywood studios at all (and I only know the UK workflow rather indirectly through work interactions with organisations like the BBC) but I'm always amazed that every hot US show seems to get leaked within nanoseconds of being completed, while most Sherlock and Doctor Who seems to hold out right until t/x.

(PS. I can confirm Kara doesn't get her glasses from Clark Kent... instead there's a simply hilarious(!!) scene in which her heat vision goes haywire in the opticians, and... oh... darn... me an my big mouth. Ouch, that ban-hammer hurts!) :)

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23 May 2015 00:36 #42281 by ArgentDragon
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I think the best course would be any details of the shiw, no matter how minor, should be hidden with the spoiler code. Even if it's to just say how great or how terrible you think it is. Just my 2 cents worth.
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23 May 2015 01:24 #42282 by lfan
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ArgentDragon wrote: I think the best course would be any details of the shiw, no matter how minor, should be hidden with the spoiler code. Even if it's to just say how great or how terrible you think it is. Just my 2 cents worth.


I agree. To honour and respect people who have not seen it, we should err on the side of always using spoiler tags.....

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23 May 2015 01:49 #42284 by shadar
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I understand all the points made below relative to copyrights, spoilers, etc, but come on, there's a fucking elephant in the living room.

How do you live in that house for six months and pretend there isn't an elephant in the living room?

My suggestion: Open another topic that allows for free, open and extensive discussion of the trailer, including screen captures. Give it a distinctive name like: SPOILER SUPERGIRL PILOT SPOILER. If people want to read it or contribute to it, then fine. If you want to wait and avoid spoilers, then don't open or read that topic. Simple and totally under the control of the reader.

Of course, you will still smell the elephant every time you tiptoe past.
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23 May 2015 01:54 #42285 by Monty
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I disagree with the spoiler idea. Spoiler tags work if you are only partially interested in the subject, but this would be akin to 'here within lies a glimpse to the Garden of Eden... you don't have to take a look, but if you do...'
It's bad eniugh being in the UK! God only knows when we will see her - six months after the fall release? Unless they can work out a dual release schedule, which given the hype and hits the show has recieved would be great.
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23 May 2015 02:23 #42288 by ArgentDragon
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I respectfully disagree with the idea that fans wouldn't say anything or go out of their way to find out. Browncoats are just as passionate about Serenity/Firefly as we are about this show, and somehow, when Serenity was screened to a select audience at San Diego Comic-Con over a month before it's theatrical release, there were no rumors or spoilers to be had as to what was going to happen in the film. The fans that knew stayed quiet and said nothing to anyone that wasn't part of that screening.

Also, Fats went almost a whole day without saying anything about the First Look before it went public :)
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23 May 2015 03:16 #42289 by shadar
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Monty wrote: I disagree with the spoiler idea. Spoiler tags work if you are only partially interested in the subject, but this would be akin to 'here within lies a glimpse to the Garden of Eden... you don't have to take a look, but if you do...'
It's bad eniugh being in the UK! God only knows when we will see her - six months after the fall release? Unless they can work out a dual release schedule, which given the hype and hits the show has recieved would be great.


That was actually my point. Given that any of us (and everyone else) can now download and watch the full Pilot, we can't ignore it for six months. If you censure the discussions on SWM, then it will still get discussed on other sites. If people don't want to participate, don't read the spoiler thread. But that will take a lot of willpower, especially as bits leak out from other sites.

We can't undo the Torrent release of the Pilot. The genie can't be stuffed back in the bottle. It's in the wild.
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23 May 2015 03:31 #42290 by TwiceOnThursdays
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You people constantly talking about this is eroding my ability to say "No, I will wait!".

Honestly, I skipped the Flash trailer, and did the right thing. But I'm not known for my patience, and SIX MONTHS! What kind of evil plot is this? (BTW, has anyone seen Elon Musk's Twitter icon? Genius.)

Seriously, is CBS going to look at high torrent numbers as a bad thing and run away? Or will they look at low torrent numbers and go "people aren't interested?" Bah!

Still no matter, watching it early means I MUST watch it when it comes out, and if it's not on Hulu, that probably means buying the season somewhere. CBS isn't good about putting things on Hulu. It certainly better be nicely available somewhere it can play through my Roku.

Warning: Spoiler!
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23 May 2015 04:49 #42292 by lfan
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I u

shadar wrote: I understand all the points made below relative to copyrights, spoilers, etc, but come on, there's a fucking elephant in the living room.

How do you live in that house for six months and pretend there isn't an elephant in the living room?

My suggestion: Open another topic that allows for free, open and extensive discussion of the trailer, including screen captures. Give it a distinctive name like: SPOILER SUPERGIRL PILOT SPOILER. If people want to read it or contribute to it, then fine. If you want to wait and avoid spoilers, then don't open or read that topic. Simple and totally under the control of the reader.

Of course, you will still smell the elephant every time you tiptoe past.


Perhaps I was a little too literal in my use of the word spoiler tags. All I'm saying is clearly identify it as a spoiler before spoiling it for someone, whether than be using actual spoiler tags or settin up a thread that clearly says "spoiler" in it,

I'm sure people here will want to discuss it, and that is ok. We should just be polite and try not to reveal anything to those who haven't

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23 May 2015 05:24 #42293 by ace191
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I read a few articles on this, and the universal opinion seems to be that there is a good chance that WB or CBS released this deliberately because they Want us to watch it. And the people who have seen it seem to Think that it is pretty good which is no surprise given the trailer that we have all seen several times.

Which brings us to the great dilemma. Wait 6 months now and then after you view it you will only need to wait a week for the next episode, or watch it now and starve for the next 6 months before the next episode will become available. Or you could just watch the pilot once a week until then.
Decisions, decisions.
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23 May 2015 15:47 #42302 by ArgentDragon
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I don't think there's any doubt it was a deliberate leak at all. It's actually a good two-fold metric for them. First, it guages initial reaction based on how many times its downloaded. Second, it gives them an idea of the show's staying power when you measure the number of downloads vs. the number of viewers in the initial airing.

Just speaking for myself, I plan on spending the next six months watching episodes of Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League Unlimited, various DC Animated movies, and the second season of Young Justice to while away the time. Sure, Kara never made it onto YJ, but Cassie is just too damn adorable in that show, so it's just as good.
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23 May 2015 20:49 #42307 by jdrock24
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shadar wrote: I understand all the points made below relative to copyrights, spoilers, etc, but come on, there's a fucking elephant in the living room.

How do you live in that house for six months and pretend there isn't an elephant in the living room?

My suggestion: Open another topic that allows for free, open and extensive discussion of the trailer, including screen captures. Give it a distinctive name like: SPOILER SUPERGIRL PILOT SPOILER. If people want to read it or contribute to it, then fine. If you want to wait and avoid spoilers, then don't open or read that topic. Simple and totally under the control of the reader.

Of course, you will still smell the elephant every time you tiptoe past.


I agree with this. I think the pilot was leaked on purpose by the studio (just like The Flash pilot was) in order to generate publicity among the comic book fan community and to quell any worries some of us may have after viewing the trailer.

I'll probably go view it at some point but I'll still be tuning in for the premiere in November (or whenever) along with my 9 year old daughter.
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24 May 2015 03:40 #42310 by shadar
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Watching the pilot ahead of time won't change my desire to watch the show. Or my desire to tune into the broadcast pilot (albeit by DVR). That's just a one hour intro. I'm looking forward to a few seasons of episodes that will hopefully total up to 45 or maybe as much as 60 hours of entertainment. Pilot is mere drop in the bucket (finger's crossed, anyway).

But I haven't taken the time to figure out the whole BitTorrent thing for OS X yet. Just knowing it's out there to watch and that I don't have to wait six months to see it is comforting enough.

Meals eaten slowly are more enjoyable. (But starvation isn't).
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24 May 2015 04:02 #42312 by ArgentDragon
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shadar wrote: Watching the pilot ahead of time won't change my desire to watch the show. Or my desire to tune into the broadcast pilot (albeit by DVR). That's just a one hour intro. I'm looking forward to a few seasons of episodes that will hopefully total up to 45 or maybe as much as 60 hours of entertainment. Pilot is mere drop in the bucket (finger's crossed, anyway).

But I haven't taken the time to figure out the whole BitTorrent thing for OS X yet. Just knowing it's out there to watch and that I don't have to wait six months to see it is comforting enough.

Meals eaten slowly are more enjoyable. (But starvation isn't).


Actually, Shad, networks put more stock in live viewing numbers than in DVR. In the minds of Network Execs, watching something via DVR says 'sure I'm interested, but not as interested in it as I am in what I watched live'. So, it's sort of a half mark to them. If it's a question of you physically not being able to watch it live, then yes, DVR is best. But if it's a question of watching 'Gotham' vs. "Supergirl' live, then it's going into the 'prefers Gotham over Supergirl' statistic column. And they know exactly how many people are watching each show live, thanks to cable boxes.
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