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A few things to note:
- The following contains supposed spoilers concerning episodes 14 to 20, including apparent plot details.
- I'm not going to reveal were this stuff come from. It's from two primary sources, who appear to be different people. The information below is directly from these sources, not people quoting the sources -- although the sources are (obviously) repeating stuff they claim to have been told by people at WB or CW etc. Unless otherwise noted, each rumour is from one source only -- no corroboration.
- I personally am somewhat skeptical of this information, and you should be too. I present it here merely for the purposes of discussing hypothetical scenarios. I'd be very surprised (pleasantly so) if any of it turns out to be true. One or two minor details I've been able to personally confirm as true by other means... but that doesn't count for much in my book.
- I don't watch the show any more, so I've tried my best to summarise and rephrase the information in a way that is more structure then the rambling chat sessions it originated in -- but given that I don't know who Imra is, and only have a vague idea who Ruby is, I may have gotten things mixed up a little -- I tried my best.
- Remember what Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damned lies, and tv spoilers."
Have fun with these, but don't take them too seriously. In couple of months time we'll likely find out they're all bunkum.
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- Lena may be heading towards a more adversarial role, against Supergirl. The break between her and Kara will happen in episode 20, and it will be very emotional. In a major (and lengthy) scene Lena will learn Kara's true identity, and be so upset that she literally walks out on Kara without listening to explanations -- no doubt this will have some influence on the break up. Lena (a bit like Max in S1) starts to become more distrustful of Kryptonians. The rift between her and Kara is still left unresolved at season's end.
- Ep 14 revolves around Winn and the death of his father (Toyman) in prison
, which causes Winn to question if criminal insanity runs in the family. Winn's identity as the son of the Toyman is revealed to the public, resulting in a hate campaign against him. Lena and Winn become friends. - Mon-El and the gang switch to new costumes that look more like traditional super-heroic suits (episode 15.) Mon-El's red suit was apparently made for Chris Wood last season, but not used. The costumes somehow enhance the Legion's superpowers, and they'll be a regular sight in the final part of S3,
- The Legion will leave on a mission into the future in ep 17, and return in 19, with flashback used to explain what happened. The flashbacks will feature more Legion members than we've currently seen. Kara won't go with them and indeed stays in the present for the remained of the season.
- James is injured in episode 19, and out of action in 20, which allows Lena to get up to no good unchecked. Lena dates James and will learn his identity as The Guardian, and takes the revelation well.
- Alura (Kara's mom) is in part responsible for the world killers.
- Cat Grant may guest star before the season's end (ep23, or before?), and Superman too (eps 21 and 22 only -- but not ep 23.) Eps 21 -- 23 have yet to finish being written. Ep 23 may be largely a wind-down/loose-ends episode, with most of the finale action happening in eps 21 and 22.
- Chris Wood has a big fight scene in ep17.
- J'onn's dad gets seriously sick in ep15, and Alex spends some time comforting J'onn -- perhaps he dies(?)
- Imra's secret is revealed in ep 16. She breaks up with Mon-El, but that doesn't mean that Kara and Mon-El will become an item once more (two separate sources agree that Kara has no romantic storyline this season.)
- Odette (Reign) won't be in S4, as she already has signed to other work commitments on another series.
- One original plot idea was for Alex to eventually adopt Ruby, but that seems to have changed. The SG staffers really want Floriana (Maggie) back, and have been trying to negotiate something. (Was the original plan for Alex/Maggie/Ruby to form a family is S4???)
- The show's staff are hopeful for a fourth season renewal.
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andyf wrote: Thanks for the rumors, five red. Heard anything about why the shows having a two month hiatus this year, what ate these so called production issues?
Context: of the two sources, one largely was chatting about cast and crew, and avoiding spoilers -- responding to questions like "will Floriana Lima be returning" (no plans, but the writers are keen), "will Mehcad Brooks be in S4?" (probably!), and "who is the nicest cast member to crew?" (Katie and Chyler, although the respondent seemed to be a fan of the lesbian storylines, so that might be bias.) The other source seemed to be more open about hinting at specific story points, but the conversation was hijacked by Supercorp fans who just wanted to know the fate of Lena and Kara, hence there's a lot of detail in the spoilers above relating to Lena.
I didn't ask any questions myself. I don't watch the show, so just read the conversation transcript.
One of the sources, I can't remember which (first?), claimed that the Supergirl shooting schedule had not been changed thanks to AK's departure (still wrapping sometime in April(?), IIRC.) This might put paid to the idea that the rescheduling was due to any chaos caused by one of the producers leaving. If true, it means that getting Legends and Supergirl to share the same evening may have been more about ratings and wanting to focus promotion on other shows, rather than production delays. In other words: it would have happened anyway even without AK's dismissal. (I'm assuming that the actors are all signed on on the understanding of a given shooting schedule, and extending it would mean certain actors might not be free, and/or extra payments would have to be made(???))
One of the sources, when talking about the changing roster of producers and co-producers on CW shows, explained how the producer/co-producer/writer breakdown is handled. From memory, it went something like this: producers make the major high level decisions, writers create the scripts to realise the producer's vision, and co-producers are writers who take on the extra responsibility of managing the scripts on a day-to-day basis to make sure overall they will fit the vision of the producers and network. If true, then perhaps AK's departure wasn't such a massive headache in terms of the day-to-day running of the show.
As always, take the above with a massive pinch of salt.
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Moving them around allows both shows to keep their original Monday night slots (thus possibly not effecting their ratings/audiences), while also giving a lead in to the new show.
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- When it is revealed that Sam and Reign are the same person, Ruby is taken to the DEO.
- Mon-El is 'staying' at the end of the season (which I can only assume means he will remain in the 21st Century.) The jury is still out on whether Kara and Mon-El will rekindle their romance.
- Still no deal with Floriana to return as Maggie. If she does, it can only be in eps 22 or 23.
- Erica Durance will return in flashback as Alura to explain the worldkillers creation.
- Lillian Luthor is in episode 21, and has scenes with Lena. The episode involves action on a boat (!?!), possibly concerning Alex pursuing Lena and Lillian. Elsewhere in ep21, Kal-El and Kara are teamed up for part of the episode to deal with the worldkillers.
- Lena doesn't actually hate Kara, at least not this season. (Presumably the fallout between the two is more about a sense of betrayal??)
- People who won't be returning in S3 pt2: Jeremiah Danvers and PSI.
As before, treat this information with extreme caution: what-ifs rather than what-wills.
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- Imra's secret is that she and Brainy have travelled to the 21st Century to rescue Imra's sister (who is also a time traveller) from being killed by Purity.
- Sounds like the Alex boat(s) scene in ep21 is a big spectacular action sequence.
- Episode 17 features Pestilence (the third worldkiller) who is a pediatrician, so the DEO try to use her love of kids to counter her darker urges.
- Episode 18 has Lena finally reveal Sam's secret to someone. She recruits Lillian to cure Sam, but things go badly and Lillian is almost killed by Reign. Lena and Lillian bond, giving Lillian the chance to plant a few seeds of doubt in Lena's mind about Kryptonians.
- Tentative plans for ep21 (open to change): Reign kills Purity, after Purity goes berserk (imbalanced) resulting in the death of bystanders, including Imra's sister. Reign also (at some point) battles Imra and Imra gets pretty badly beaten, although she survives -- perhaps this happens in ep21(?)
- Tentative plans for ep22 (open to change): Purity's death causes Pestilence to also become unstable.
- It sounds like Lillian might clue Lena into the fact that Supergirl (like Reign) may also have a dual identity, and Lena starts to suspect her friend Kara. The penny finally drops when Lena and Kara next meet -- Lena keeps fishing for clues, and Kara finally confesses.
And, regarding the schedule... CW boss 'optimistic' that Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, and Legends will return
R5The [Kreisberg] investigation also had nothing to do with what Pedowitz calls a “production delay” on Supergirl — the show will return for four weeks starting Jan. 15, after which Legends will air nine weeks of original episodes starting Feb. 12, while Supergirl takes a break until it reclaims the timeslot on April 16, following the Legends season finale on April 9. Supergirl’s season finale will then air June 18. “There was a little bit of a production delay,” Pedowitz says. “We knew we were never going to air five superhero shows [at the same time.]. ‘Okay, there’s a production delay, let them figure it out, don’t worry about it, we put Legends in, so we’ll run Legends and then we’ll put Supergirl right after it.’ Supergirl running into the summer is actually better programming for us year-round.”
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Question is, did CBS ask for the show to be developed, or did the development company come up with the idea and pitch it to whoever would listen? In the second case, CW would certainly have heard the pitch. So when CBS picked it up, I guess you could technically say that CW turned it down.
Might be splitting hairs here...
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As for the rumors, I can comment on at least one thing for sure, the season wraps filming in end of April. We know this because of a hilarious mistake the place where the wrap party is being held made. Basically they reached out to us to plan the wrap party. Oops.
I would be curious to know more about these sources as they are lining up with the info we are hearing as well. I am interested in the Floriana piece since she signed for Punisher today.
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More info, this time (just to mix things up) from a different source to the above...
- It seems that the secret of Reign's dual identity may come out sooner rather than later. Episode 14 or 15, perhaps? (Source seems very vague... and it doesn't make sense for the DEO to know until closer to episode 18, unless Sam goes into hiding for a few episodes.)
- Ruby finds out that her mom is Reign in episode 18. It is in this episode that Alex takes Ruby to the DEO for protection. Reign tries to recover Ruby. (Speculation: perhaps this episode is meant to have a deeply ironic storyline: Lena/LexCorp are close to curing Sam, but the DEO's actions by taking Ruby unwittingly thwart them by triggering Reign?)
- Abbotsford Mansion will be a filming location (perhaps the Luthor family home -- seems a logical possibility?) Tweet
Because there as so many spoiler fragments floating around, I've compiled them all together into an episode-by-episode breakdown.
- At some point Lillian causes Lena to suspect that Kara may be Supergirl -- ep 18 maybe?
- At some point Lena learns James’ identity as Guardian -- ep 19 maybe?
- At some point Reign battles Imra, who is pretty badly beaten by Reign.
- At some point Alura will appear in flashback, to explain her part in creating the worldkillers. Kara’s dreams are also connected to her mom’s involvement.
Ep 14: Revolves around the death of Toyman, Winn’s father. The secret of Winn’s connection to him is revealed to the public, resulting in a public backlash. Lena comforts Winn.
Ep 15: J’onn’s father gets very ill, resulting in some very emotional scenes were Alex helps J’onn cope. Mon-El gets his new costume in this episode -- the other Legion members also get costumes, which enhance their powers, but they may not be revealed in this episode (ep 16?)
Ep 16: Imra’s secret is revealed: she and Brainy have travelled to the 21st century to rescue Imra's sister (who is also a time traveller) from being killed by Purity. Imra and Mon-El break up (however there won’t be a rekindling of the romance between Kara and Mon-El this season.)
Ep 17: Introduces Pestilence (the third worldkiller) who is a paediatrician, so the DEO try to use her love of kids to tame her darker urges. The Legion journey into the future in this episode, returning in ep 19. Mon-El has a big fight scene in this episode.
Ep 18: Alex takes Ruby to the DEO after Ruby learns that Sam is Reign (it is suggested that the DEO already know by this episode.) Lena recruits Lillian/LexCorp to cure Sam, but things go badly (speculation: as a result of Ruby being taken to the DEO?) and Lillian is almost killed by Reign. Lena and Lillian bond, giving Lillian the chance to plant a few seeds of doubt in Lena's mind about Kryptonians.
Ep 19: The Legion return, and their future tales are told in flashback, featuring Legion members who we’ve not seen in the 21st century. Also in this episode James injures himself, and is out of action for ep 20.
Ep 20: Lena’s learns of Kara’s secret identity. Lena already suspects that Supergirl has an alter ego, like Reign, and (in a major scene) begins to drop clues to Kara. Kara finally confesses. Lena is so upset that she walks out on Kara without waiting for explanations or justifications. The rift between her and Kara is still left unresolved at season's end. Although Lena is upset, she does not become evil.
Ep 21: Superman and Cat Grant guest. The episode involves a sequence on a couple of boats, possibly concerning Alex pursuing Lena and Lillian as part of a big action sequence. Elsewhere, Kal-El and Kara team up for part of the episode to deal with the worldkillers. Tentative plans: Reign kills Purity after Purity becomes imbalanced, resulting in the death of innocent bystanders, Imra's sister being one of them.
Ep 22: Superman guests. Tentative plot: Purity's death causes Pestilence to also become unstable.
Ep 23: Tentative plot: wind down episode. The Legion leave, but Mon-El stays in the 21st century.
Next season
- Odette Annable has commitments that mean she won’t appear in S4.
- Mon-El stays behind, but Imra and the Legion leave.
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