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Wonder Woman to become UN women's champion

13 Oct 2016 19:31 #50702 by fats
Comic book heroine Wonder Woman is to be named as a new honorary ambassador for the United Nations (UN).

The character will be used to promote messages about women's empowerment and gender-based violence, the UN said.

DC Entertainment president Diane Nelson will accept the role for her company's comic book, TV and film character at a ceremony on 21 October.

The DC comics site hinted that actresses who have played Wonder Women will also attend the event.

The campaign is being sponsored by Warner Bros and DC Entertainment who are supporting the UN and Unicef's year-long campaign for gender equality and women's empowerment.

more here www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37645131

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13 Oct 2016 22:39 #50707 by kikass2014
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry :S

She is a fictional person right? :unsure: Anyhow...:whistle:

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13 Oct 2016 22:45 #50708 by KarkClent
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Hey, if Elmo can do it...

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14 Oct 2016 16:27 - 14 Oct 2016 16:27 #50717 by jdrock24
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Thought I read that both Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot will be at the ceremony.
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14 Oct 2016 16:59 #50719 by LustMonster
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I just hope she doesn't accidentally crash her invisible plane into one of the UN's black helicopters.

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14 Oct 2016 17:48 #50720 by Woodclaw
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kikass2014 wrote: I don't know whether to laugh or cry :S

She is a fictional person right? :unsure: Anyhow...:whistle:

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Why not?

It's a symbolic position and she's generally considered a symbol of female empowerment. Also, it's not the first time in history that a fictional character is awarded real world honors: when the original Flattop died in the Dick Tracy comic strip there were several funeral wakes in various cities; in Japan there are graves for both the original Godzilla and the fictional policeman Heiji Zenigata; in the city of Lecco in Italy (not far from where I live) there are number of locations marked as the places of the historical novel "I Promessi Sposi" (the Betrothed) and son on.

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14 Oct 2016 20:42 - 14 Oct 2016 20:42 #50723 by kikass2014
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Why not?

It's a symbolic position and she's generally considered a symbol of female empowerment. Also, it's not the first time in history that a fictional character is awarded real world honors: when the original Flattop died in the Dick Tracy comic strip there were several funeral wakes in various cities; in Japan there are graves for both the original Godzilla and the fictional policeman Heiji Zenigata; in the city of Lecco in Italy (not far from where I live) there are number of locations marked as the places of the historical novel "I Promessi Sposi" (the Betrothed) and son on.


And I would respond a similar way to each of those too. Especially this one:

when the original Flattop died in the Dick Tracy comic strip there were several funeral wakes in various cities...


And this one:

in Japan there are graves for both the original Godzilla and the fictional policeman Heiji Zenigata


Maybe I'm the only one, who knows, but I find all these both hilariously funny and simultaneously deeply tragic.

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21 Oct 2016 18:08 - 21 Oct 2016 18:14 #50823 by jdrock24
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Lynda and Gal at the UN this morning:

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22 Oct 2016 13:34 #50833 by kikass2014
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Gotta say, Lynda Carter STILL looks amazing :)

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13 Dec 2016 21:13 #51713 by Markiehoe
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What was some of the complaints?

She was too Busty

Too American

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13 Dec 2016 21:32 #51716 by shadar
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Markiehoe wrote: What was some of the complaints?

She was too Busty

Too American


Supposedly just too skimpily dressed and sexualized to be an example for modern women. Most of the protesters seemed to be women based on the pictures I've seen.

At least that's what the UN protesters claimed. I don't know who the 45,000 people are who signed the petition to get her removed.

But you might be right. With the UN, you never know for sure what people are thinking but not saying out loud because it's politically incorrect.

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14 Dec 2016 01:00 #51719 by AuGoose
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The complaints don't have to go one inch beyond "She's a corporate property and this whole thing was a deliberate set-up to promote a movie."

Really, it begins and ends RIGHT THERE.

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15 Dec 2016 16:21 #51740 by jdrock24
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Is there any better example of the silliness of the dolts who run the UN than this?

First, they give WW the title and then yank it away because a few people complain that WW is too white, too busty, and dresses to sexily. Now I'm not a woman so I have no idea how feminism is supposed to operate, but is complaining about a strong female role model that a number of young girls have admired for the past 70+ years really the way to go?

I mean, good for you people who signed the petition. You won! But what did you really "win"? WW is a fictional character. She's not somewhere in a corner crying over this. DC Comics and WB are not going to stop producing WW comics and movies. (Who, by the way, had nothing to do with the UN naming WW an honorary ambassador in the first place. The UN came to them with the idea, not the other way around.) In other words, this seems like a pretty hollow victory.

Meanwhile, the real problems facing women, such as the continued oppression in Muslim countries, sex slavery, rape, etc...continue unabated. Would WW have helped with any of these problems? Probably not, that was why she was an "honorary" ambassador. More a symbol of female empowerment than anything else. I keep hearing from some people who signed the petition to remove her that it is a good thing because now they can get a real woman to represent women. Well hell! Why wasn't there one of those before?!! Just silly all the way around.

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15 Dec 2016 19:01 #51743 by shadar
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jdrock24 wrote: First, they give WW the title and then yank it away because a few people complain that WW is too white, too busty, and dresses to sexily.


As I see it, she doesn't represent the women of the countries who really need a symbol, honorary or not, of feminine empowerment. Those countries tend to be non-white and without strong democracies and often imbued with an excess of fundamental religious thinking. A half-naked highly-exaggerated white woman dressed in a colorful swimsuit derived from American nationalist symbols whose 'job' is to make money for a gigantic entertainment company is not their idea of empowerment.

Women who remain controlled by men in countries without sexual equality need a champion who they can identify with.

So I think this was a sound move by the UN to reject an exclusively western property who is tied to a large commercial enterprise (Warner, et.al.) Likely Warner would have used the UN endorsement to promote her upcoming movie and action figure sales.

And while I agree that the UN does often look silly in western (especially American) eyes, I've lived long enough in countries without a strong history of female empowerment to know that things look very differently from their perspective. The UN's role is not to serve the rich, developed countries, but to help develop the poorer, struggling ones. That development comes in many small steps.

Which is why I strongly support the UN. Most of the time anyway. And on this issue, absolutely.

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15 Dec 2016 22:04 #51748 by AuGoose
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It must be nice to just keep harping on complaints we can all agree are a little silly while ignoring the ones that are fiercely damning...

'Cause really, I'm sure it's coincidence that a character that's been around for 75 years would get pushed forward for this at the exact same time as DC executives were looking for ways to pimp their next blockbuster. Pure chance I say!

Come on. It was a bad idea, and it should never have gotten to the point where it needed to be retracted in the first place.

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15 Dec 2016 22:26 #51749 by jdrock24
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AuGoose wrote: It must be nice to just keep harping on complaints we can all agree are a little silly while ignoring the ones that are fiercely damning...

'Cause really, I'm sure it's coincidence that a character that's been around for 75 years would get pushed forward for this at the exact same time as DC executives were looking for ways to pimp their next blockbuster. Pure chance I say!

Come on. It was a bad idea, and it should never have gotten to the point where it needed to be retracted in the first place.


Did I say anywhere that it was a good idea?

I said it was a silly idea to both make her an ambassador in the first place but then remove her after a few people complain. I mean, didn't anyone think this through before making the decision? Again, what kind of dolts are running the UN?

You are the only one I've seen who has ever brought up the WB angle. A corporation using their properties to make money? No way!!! Perish the thought!!! I'm sure a reputable studio like Disney would never, ever think about doing that:

- Winnie the Pooh became the Ambassador of Friendship in 1998
- Tinkerbell was named Ambassador of Green in 2009

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15 Dec 2016 23:48 - 15 Dec 2016 23:57 #51750 by AuGoose
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Which sets exactly the standard I'm commenting on: both of them are characters in the public domain (at least in sane countries). Disney doesn't OWN either of those characters - even in the US where public domain laws are under ceaseless attack, Disney licenses Pooh while the original stories are public domain.

Mistakes were made. Undoing those mistakes is the correct course of action. Not sitting there and shrugging while sighing, "well, we got suckered. Guess that's that from now to forever."
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16 Dec 2016 14:58 - 16 Dec 2016 15:02 #51755 by jdrock24
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AuGoose wrote: Which sets exactly the standard I'm commenting on: both of them are characters in the public domain (at least in sane countries). Disney doesn't OWN either of those characters - even in the US where public domain laws are under ceaseless attack, Disney licenses Pooh while the original stories are public domain.

Mistakes were made. Undoing those mistakes is the correct course of action. Not sitting there and shrugging while sighing, "well, we got suckered. Guess that's that from now to forever."


Ha ha! Then what about this guy:

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I'm pretty sure he's not in the public domain although the company who owns them seems to have only haphazardly defended their copyright.
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16 Dec 2016 17:10 #51763 by AuGoose
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Fair 'nough. Evidently they have more of a sense of humor at the UN than I had given them credit for :). Either that or "green" just doesn't have 45,000 outraged signatures to give ;).

So sure, lets go with she's just incredibly inappropriate, not for her looks per se, but because what ($*&ing lesson are you supposed to take away from "a woman that can ignore gunfire and toss tanks one handed is quite miraculously not being oppressed?" No shit. She's got more physical power than the assholes with a physical power advantage who are beating you to a pulp three times a week. How inspiring. What exactly are we shooting for here? Little girls in Africa with a loop of cord on their hip twirling around imaging themselves like their idol right before being hauled off by the bad men to be sold into a life of sexual slavery? Sorry. Real problem. Maybe the fantasy does keep them pseudo-sane, but I really want to think we can do better than a character who doesn't interact with the real problems at all, by essentially being more male than the males.

What's depressing is apparently they couldn't find a REAL women to serve as a symbol of hope and inspiration that we occasionally manage to rise above the basic power calculus that men are by and large stronger and more willing to resort to violence and will cheerfully use those tools to dominate the people around them, male or female.

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