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Black Panther

17 Feb 2018 00:53 #58600 by ace191
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Just saw it this afternoon with my wife. Great flick with amazing production quality. Marvel
Really knows how to make movies. Enjoyed the usual Stan Lee cameo. There is plenty of footage that the folks on this site will love! Not going to say any more other than I think they will make a pile of cash on this one!
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18 Feb 2018 07:40 #58613 by TwiceOnThursdays
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I really enjoyed Black Panther. They do a great job of worldbuilding Wakanda and it's culture. Best Pun i've heard, "it includes two Tolkein White Guys." (i.e. Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis)

I think several here will really like some of the women in the film, even if they're just elite-level human rather than super-human.

It's taken in $75M just on Friday. (For comparison Avengers 1 did 80M, WW did $38M, BvS $81M). So the real question is how it'll hold out for the weekend, and what are its legs like long term. I suspect it'll do really well. I love to see a demographic breakdown of the audience.

Aside from his Civil War Appearance, Black Panther is not a top-tier character so this is a fantastic showing for Marvel.

Like Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther has its own feel. It's not that there aren't little bits of humor tossed in, but it lets the heavy scenes play through seriously and never ever plays Wakanda or the idea of the Black Panther for laughs. I hope Marvel keeps letting each movie develop its own atmosphere. a great followup to Ragnarok.

Credit scenes: there are two of them. Stay all the way to the end (naturally).

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19 Feb 2018 02:40 #58617 by TwiceOnThursdays
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Black Panther is ripping it up. quoted from Box Office Mojo:

Atop the weekend box office with an estimated $192 million for the three-day weekend, Black Panther delivered the fifth largest three-day domestic opening in history and is currently expected to finish around $218 million for the four-day holiday weekend. The performance is also the largest February opening of all-time, the largest President's Day weekend opening of all-time and gives Disney eight of the top ten domestic openings of all-time. Within the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Black Panther is the eighteenth release in the franchise and the ninth to open with over $100 million. It's also the second largest opening in the MCU, behind only The Avengers ($207.4m) and topping the $191 million debut for Avengers: Age of Ultron


Not only did it set records for February and President's Day, it's the 2nd largest MCU opening. I expected it to do well, but not that well!

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19 Feb 2018 03:16 #58618 by Raa
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Have to say I enjoyed it.

Seen it at a 10 AM showing on Sat. It was nearly sold out.

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19 Feb 2018 11:48 #58620 by WLG
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I've not been to the movies to watch a superhero movie since Supergirl in 1984 but I'm going to this one.

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26 Feb 2018 00:17 #58694 by kikass2014
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Just saw it this weekend and its really good.

I'm not a Black Panther fan by any stretch of the imagination, and I loved what they did, purely from a storytelling perspective.

Highly recommended!

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26 Feb 2018 01:51 #58695 by erikphandel
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I found it really meh. It's serviceable. I liked the costumes and the setting a lot, but the special effects were absolute garbage. Also, final fight being almost full CGI takes away from the tension of the scene. Other than that, it was enjoyable. I'd give it a 6/10
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26 Feb 2018 09:55 #58697 by kikass2014
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but the special effects were absolute garbage


I do agree, they did seem "off" to be fair, and the pacing may have been a little off.

However the story, characters and performances overcame that imo,

I'd probably give it a 7/10 personally.

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04 Mar 2018 00:04 #58758 by brantley
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Thought it was great, though I had some quibbles.

Like Paradise Island in WW, the "invisible" Wakanda is an absurdity, but it looks more real -- soaring towers and flitters, but also small neighborhoods and even remote villages with huts. More important, its culture sets great store by honor, almost like medieval Japan.

T'Challa is a man of honor, who fights for what he holds right, whereas Killmonger is after power for its own sake, only pretending to fight for black liberation. I'm sure that's a point director/writer Ryan Coogler wants to convey to the black audience. Another point he makes is that the black women of Wakanda are the ones who fight for T'Challa even as a lot of the men are deluded by Killmonger.

I agree that the CGI duels are annoying, but that sort of thing seems to be obligatory in comic book movies -- as witness Diana vs, Ares in WW. More annoying to me was the sudden appearance of a bunch of armored rhinos -- it wasn't clear to me who their commander was -- just what is his position in the political system,

The personal secrets and heartbreaks -- the whole business of T'Chaka -- gave the movie a more dramatic edge. It wasn't just about action, or arbitrary conflicts,

More later, perhaps.

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07 Mar 2018 15:28 #58800 by AuGoose
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erikphandel wrote: I found it really meh. It's serviceable. I liked the costumes and the setting a lot, but the special effects were absolute garbage. Also, final fight being almost full CGI takes away from the tension of the scene. Other than that, it was enjoyable. I'd give it a 6/10


One bad scene and it plummets to 6/10? Ouch. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it more.

Me? I had a blast. I'm rating it around 93/100 myself. Will be watching probably twice more this week sharing it with friends and family so we'll see how it stands up. I dinged it about two points each for the CGI elements in an otherwise excellent practical effects final fight sequence, the overhype surrounding the soundtrack (I found the music enjoyable but not the swoon-worthy experience it had been touted as), and some weird stuttering in the flow of the casino fight choreography. Otherwise, it hit a ton of marks with precision, including going places I didn't think they'd have the will to examine. Or having some characters in situations you just didn't know if they'd survive or not because the stakes were high enough that named protagonists having to sacrifice themselves seemed like a real threat. I loved that this was a civil war the participants could come back from (and wanted to come back from), instead of it turning into the total scorched earth such things often devolve into.

Personally, I love that it has a protagonist and a challenger more than a hero and a villain. That some 'murders' are recognized as being 'more of a defeat'. I love that the usually one-note White Gorilla tribe are the voice of sensible conservatism in a nation being swept along by change. I love that Killmonger is an unabashed product of American education/military/special forces doctrine and that to his dying breath he's sincere about the struggle. And I love that Marvel Studios is not ASHAMED of making comic book movies... So when faced with a character name as preposterous as "Killmonger", they don't change it, they make it work! Presenting it as almost synonymous with "Killstreak" made it instantly understandable to a videogame generation and when he takes his shirt off its a genuine "HO-LY SHIT!?!!" moment.

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07 Mar 2018 17:11 #58801 by Woodclaw
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For starters I enjoy this movie a lot as a whole. There were some WTF moments for me, but none of them impacted on the enjoyment of the story as a whole.

From a comic book fan perspective this movie did something really praiseworthy: they took the incredibly weak rogue gallery of T'Challa and made them work, they even made M'Baku look cool, something that no Black Pather writer has ever been able to do so far,

brantley wrote: Like Paradise Island in WW, the "invisible" Wakanda is an absurdity, but it looks more real -- soaring towers and flitters, but also small neighborhoods and even remote villages with huts. More important, its culture sets great store by honor, almost like medieval Japan.


I'm sorry, but calling out the absurdity of any "hidden land" is like pots and kettles. Hidden lands are literary trope older than dirt and pretty much none of them made sense. I do agree atht this representation of Wakanda was really well done, balancing the high-tech element with designs that made it look like a real place and not something cobbled together by a writer with little notion of what he's working on. My general feeling is that with the various costumes coming from different cultures and populations of central Africa (and sometimes beyond) there was room to establish Wakanda as a sort of cultural crossroad that, at some point decided to lock the borders.

brantley wrote: T'Challa is a man of honor, who fights for what he holds right, whereas Killmonger is after power for its own sake, only pretending to fight for black liberation. I'm sure that's a point director/writer Ryan Coogler wants to convey to the black audience. Another point he makes is that the black women of Wakanda are the ones who fight for T'Challa even as a lot of the men are deluded by Killmonger.


On this count I have to disagree. While T'Challa is clearly a man of honor, I don't think that Killmonger is in it just for the power. Maybe it's the budding, but my impression was that Killmonger was the hero of his own story, but a hero who has gone sour over time. He went from a desire to improve the lives of his people, to the decision of oppressing others. I don't think he was pretending, but at some point he decided that he was the only one who could do what was necessary and from there things went downhill because he wasn't trying to really get rid of a form of oppression, but just replacing it with another.

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07 Mar 2018 18:12 #58802 by kikass2014
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Totally agree on Killmonger. He's probably the best depicted villain Marvel has presented so far. I would probably put Loki and "Baron" Zemo along side him.

Killmonger's motivation was clear and, in his mind, sincere. He felt what he was doing was "right" and "justified", like all the best villains do.

Wakanda being hidden wasn't really a problem for me, its been done MANY times before, like Woodclaw says.

The best part for me was the character of Shuri. When she appeared on the screen, her presence simply lit up the place imo. A real blast watching her sass brushing against a culture so mired by its "traditions", that they let a man like Killmonger claim the throne :)

And that to me is what made Black Panther so enjoyable. There was clearly a lot of thought put into it in terms of what it was about, and how it went about telling that story. On top of that, there were some really good performances (Michael B. Jordan for me was great), a deft sprinkling of humor in just the right places ("Don't scare me like that colonizer" :P) and some interesting characters.

Its by no means perfect, like all the overblown reviews make out. It was let down by some weak special fx in places (namely the final confrontation), and also it could have done with some tighter editing.

But apart from that, I thought it was certainly in the top 5 of Marvel films imo.

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