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What should a superheroINE movie be like?

01 Apr 2014 09:20 #35987 by njae
The Limitless thread started with the idea of how the film would play out with a female protagonist instead of a male one. Looking at how that's pretty much the general thought behind a superheroine movie instead of a superhero movie, so I wonder what exactly would be expected here.

We all know that the big superheroine movies were all ... not that good in general. I couldn't watch through Elektra and Catwoman had nothing to do with the actual character. Supergirl had that beautiful air ballet scene, but the actual plot was confusing to say the least. Then there's the frequent call for a Wonder Woman movie... I'm not really familiar with the character and the variations in her origin don't help, but the fact that she basically wears the US flag as a costume doesn't make any sense. It may have made sense back then, but by now the explanation behind that wouldn't make any sense. Anyway she was discussed several times, had a new TV Pilot and was deemed not worthy of either an own movie or new series ... for now at least.

So the question I ask myself is: Were these characters even fit for a movie in the first place? Supergirl, Elektra and Catwoman were all linked to a male character before the films were made - not a good start. And with her appearance in Man of Steel, Wonder Woman won't be able to bypass that in the future. What alternatives do we have? She Hulk? The problem is already in the name. Ms Marvel? Could work but I have no idea who the antagonist would be...

And the most simple alternative: Use an original character!

Instead of wondering which comic book character would be suited for the big screen we could just create the heroine from scratch. Something like that has been done before: Charlize Theron's character from Hancock for example or Uma Thurman's G-Girl in My Super Ex girlfriend. The first wasn't the protagonist, but could have worked as such (just imagine her role being reversed with Smith's) and the second wasn't meant to be a superheroine movie in the first place.

But what do we expect from a superheroine movie? A ubergirl, that's sure but what else? Most superhero movie so far started with the origin story. Peter Parker had to be bitten by the spider, Tony Stark started building his armor and even the X-Men needed to be explained right away. Spiderman even provides a good outline: Nerdy guy gets superpowers, uses them for selfish means before becoming a superhero. Substitute guy with girl and we have something we could work with. Hell some stories here in the library already qualify for that. Of course, the details shouldn't be as similar as the outline, but let's look at "My Super Ex Girlfriend" for a second. The origin story is quite similar: Social outcast girl gets power through a meteor, becomes more attractive and thus popular, but estranges her best friend (and love interest) in the process who goes off to become her nemesis. So instead of a ten year timeskip where her character flaws are only revealed later - and in a comical way - this scenario could actually be used as the actual main plot if it's taken seriously:

Have the nerdy girl be the target of bullying by an alpha bitch in the beginning, and upon being empowered she of course turns the tables and takes the top spot (good opportunity to show off her new powers) with ease. Keep the estranged best friend and have him team up with the former alpha bitch after coming to the conclusion that the main character isn't that much better after all. Maybe she has her own Kryptonite and only he knows about it. He could even use it to not only restrain her, but maybe even give the former alpha bitch the same kind of powers as her - after all every hero needs a villain for the grand finale and allows for a truly badass evil ubergirl. Now all that's missing is for the protagonist to become a better person and an actual heroine and we have all that we need for a movie. The question is whether that is the kind of movie we'd want. (Truth be told some of these ideas also inspired a story of mine that I will probably never finish)

Any ideas on that?

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01 Apr 2014 11:45 #35988 by SHTL
very interesting topic, this is the same question i have in mind; I'm agree with the idea to have a new character, that's for sure: when i will have more time I will explain more and better my plot-idea.
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01 Apr 2014 17:07 #35992 by castor
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Tricky question and easy one

I write a lot here and do a little writing for the screen. I have optioned superheroine scripts. am not going to say that makes me expert on it

but the easy anwser.: A movie with a female hero.

By which I mean a protaginist who tries to save the day.

The problem with a lot of inidpendent Superhero movies-is they tend not to actually do this. Same with a lot of superhero comics done in the last 10 years. Its very easy when writing today to be post modern. My Super Ex Girlfriend is a great example of that- O-Girl, isn't the hero of that movie-its a msygonistic metaphor for power dynamics. Stuff like Super though a good movie has the same problem-its about a guy as an insane fool. In Comics(and looks like TV) Powers is a good example. No one really cares about Retro Girl except as an idea.

They need to be more then an idea.

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Cinema is good at creating characters-and taking there point of view in there story-which is what you should do here. Agian make her the protaginist. To Super Ex Girlfriend-she wasn't. Luke Wilson was. It should be from her point of vew, her rocky path.

And the path should be rocky. This isn't a peril fetish site-but it should be said-it shouldn't be easy.Even an invulnerable character cares about vulnerable things-and being cared for in return. If you note every sucseful superhero movie-Iron Man, Batman, Superman-what ever-its never quite easy.

You can make her a Nerd. You can make her a bueaty queen. You can make her a spaz, an ordinary girl. At some level she should be likable-which can be a trick in film but can be done. And give her a journey You can make an original character-or an existing one. Its not that hard-but i do think you need some sincerity.


I wrote a post that posisted-well there actually are a lot of superheroine films-Hunger Games, Divergent, Frozen coming out. You can disagree with me-but its there. They don't always have costumes- notibabbly the tend to be more reactive then the classic hero-but its there-and it probably will happen sooner then you may think.


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PS Ms Marvels-- main antagonist is usually Modok- and i for one think he would be just great in a film. In comics they playoff pretty well.

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01 Apr 2014 18:27 #35993 by Woodclaw
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I think that Castor hit some of the key spots here.
I think that one of the most problematic point of making any superheroine movie is how different should it be from a superhero movie (aside from the obvious biological elements). Superhero movies are a very formulaic genre, usually very well defined in its tropes and narrative times. In theory ti should be possible to just take a standard superhero flick and do some cut and paste to adapt the role (or even write a gender-neutral character and see what happens), but would this cut the deal?
In my opinion not quite.
As Castor observed we need to get into the character's P.O.V. to make things work. This means - for me - working on what makes her different from other characters, not what makes her the same. In this sense it might be possible to make a distaff counterpart movie works.

A little extra note about making the character relatable. As observed above, we tend to develop an empathic relationship with the heroes because we see either something of us in them or something we strive to achieve, , but most of all it's the sense of loss that seal the deal. As Francis Scott Fitzgerald said "Show me a hero and I will write you a tragedy", which should be engraved over the door of every comic book author ever. Spiderman became a hero when he lost his innocence, Superman can be considered the ultimate orphan, Captain America was man who nothing to offer but his courage and so on.
By comparison many female characters seem to lack this sense of tragedy, which makes them more difficult to relate with. Case in point: Wonder Woman. Looking at WW story from this perspective she seem to had a rather easy time compared to many of her colleagues (both males and females). Think about it for a minute. Diana is a princess of a mythological kingdom, blessed from birth with superhuman abilities, who decided to go out in the world to fix what's wrong just because. I know this is oversimplyfing, but her story lacks any kind of dramatic tension which makes her character even harder to relate with.

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01 Apr 2014 19:42 #35994 by castor
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Woodclaw wrote: I
By comparison many female characters seem to lack this sense of tragedy, which makes them more difficult to relate with. Case in point: Wonder Woman. Looking at WW story from this perspective she seem to had a rather easy time compared to many of her colleagues (both males and females). Think about it for a minute. Diana is a princess of a mythological kingdom, blessed from birth with superhuman abilities, who decided to go out in the world to fix what's wrong just because. I know this is oversimplyfing, but her story lacks any kind of dramatic tension which makes her character even harder to relate with.


Wonder Womans arc tends to be she is either perfect or be expected to be perfect. She exists in an imperfect world, which she doesn't competly understand but both is attracted and repelled. She has to deal with that. You say its easy-i say its very hard-cause she hasn't had experience with it. Its the buddha seeing Death for the first time. And the nature of her invulnerability is she can't slip up once.

Whether you make it explicitly Feminist as in the recent animated movie, or just emphasis the outsider quality thats there. People can relate to the outsider and expectation of perfect. And you craft your story to that.

You bring up the formulaic quality-well thats there. one of the tricks of a movie is you don't have to think to much of the next issue-you can tell a story with a beggining middle and an end. .

She Hulk is a good one. She ultra powerful, Ultra strong but looks like a monster. She comes to accept it.

Now make that last sentance your movie. Its not her being a big green lawyer- but "She comes to accept it" thats the story.

I am not sure you do A she hulk movie-she is quite frankly kind of silly- but i do think its possibe.

Ms. Marvel-she gets amazing powers--she doesn't really want. And has to deal with it. While being an adult. The best Stories tend to emphasis the fact that she wants to be responsible-while wearing a ridiculus costume.

Supergirl- is a trick becuse theres a half dozen sueprgirls- but the one you see a lot today is she wants to be normal. She wants to come to earth and just be like everyone else. But can't quite.

Black Widdow- (Becuse i am reasonably sure this is going to happen). As done in the marvel movies she doesn't really care about anyone, except general idea of the world. She has to care. intresting case becuse the obvious one-of well does she really. The best moments in the marvel movies are when shes lying. This might be a good one to break what i was saying and do it from the perspective of like a boyfriend. Make it a movie about trust.

All of these are relatable ideas which haven't quite been done. I try not to be the guy who says "women be like this" but i do think these are ideas are relatable- you can make it a pov through three acts, and make a movie.
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01 Apr 2014 20:51 #35995 by njae
Actually one of the points of my first post was that there doesn't seem to exist a fitting comic book character for a superheroine movie. Distaff counterparts can't really work for that, so as much as I'd like it Supergirl and She Hulk simply don't make sense. And if the (female) audience should identify itself with the main character, Wonder Woman won't work at all.

Hence the idea of having an original character start out as an average human being before the powers are thrown into the mix. This would bring up the idea of "What would you do with these powers?" and allows for the character to have a blast with them before reality comes back with a vengeance. As Woodclaw said, there needs to be some tragedy that makes the super to a hero. The idea I mentioned in the intro post was that the female lead goes overboard and gets corrupted before overcoming that through some means and then has to live with the mistakes she made earlier. There are many ways how that could go. For example her own arrogance could estrange her friend(s) like mentioned above, or she could be like Peter Parker and stay her hand when she could help - only to learn that it killed someone close to her like a family member, love interest or worst: family member of a love interest.

Point is that not binding ourselves to a preexisting character, there is enough freedom to make the story actually work in a movie.

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01 Apr 2014 22:20 #35996 by shadar
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I agree with the ideas expressed that the ideal super heroine movie would feature an original character, and the comments below make some excellent points on how POV and so forth should be handled, with the caveat I'd add is that she has to grow and change during the movie in a way that appeals to ordinary viewers. She overcomes, and in the end is a slightly different person than she was before, and its a change we can all relate to. That's the required universal experience of fiction that ties it to our real world -- the protagonist grows and changes based on their experiences, and that growth has nothing to do with superpowers. It has everything to do with being human (even if they aren't).

The problem with all this when it comes to the major studios is that they've invested massive sums of money to buy rights (or ownership) to the characters of Marvel and DC Comics. Its incomprehensible that they would abandon these expensive properties and come up with an entirely new character.

Which says this could only be done by smaller or independent production companies, who don't have the deep pockets for the kind of special effects that a truly great super heroine movie would demand these days.

So its a trap...

That said, the MOS movie an example of a way out of this trap. Take an existing character but approach them as a new property, which is what that movie did, IMHO. Forget previous movies, forget the comic books themselves, take the concept (and something suggesting their costume) along with a few smidgens of their comic book backstory, but basically take all the other constraints off the writers, director, producers, etc. Of course, fanboys will hate it at first, but given you are fundamentally changing the character in the eyes of many, over time people will accept this 'new character' reality and go with it. I'm hoping to see that affirmed with MOS2.

As far as WW goes, Castor's points were excellent and thought-provoking. How to make her interesting...given that she and her backstory really aren't. The solution is that she's not of this world, and won't understand it at first. While Kryptonians are shown as being very human in their attitudes and emotions and behavior, WW is a perfect, divine being who gets dropped into our raw, violent and incredibly imperfect world, perhaps for all the wrong reasons. She's always lived among order and perfection, so our messy world is going to completely freak her out, and she'll think and do many things wrong, perhaps causing more suffering than she alleviates. Then she encounters Batman and Superman, and they help her figure this place out. She begins to act a bit more appropriately (or effectively), and plays a vital role in helping them save the day at the end. We see her changing from not understanding anything that's going on, and hating everything she sees, maybe even despising men and their screwed up world, not even understanding human women, but at the end, she learns something about the human heart and the possibilities for greatness and heroism that some humans possess. As a result, she might even try to live among us so she can learn more, which would open the door to the Diana Prince alter ego, perhaps something we see at the end of the movie. That works in my mind, and so far its the only thing I've heard that does, but of course I have no idea if that's what they're writing for MOS2.

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01 Apr 2014 23:05 #35997 by castor
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It depends.

Fair number of characters are in the public domain-Phantom Lady is the big female one, but lots of small ones from the 40s up to the 60s-like Wildstar, Black Widdow(40s version), Nightshade, and others. A lot of male characters like the Blue Beetle, Plastic Man, Captian Marvel, Blackhawks and others.

Now none of these are huge characters-but say if you wanted to do a plastic man movie-i would say you could. I could tell you some stories here-some of which are ongoing.

There are also plenty of small presses out there-Dark Horse, Boom, Etc or just guys in there basement.

The example i often give is Iron Man-either the first or second most popualr film last year. of If before 2005 anyone heard of him except real die hard comic fans, there lying. Its important to note: Comicbook films are a huge industry. Comicbooks are a very small industry.

which is why an original character can work. But how much.

One of the problem with man of steel and especially Green Lantern is that they way over did the special effects- i know people, i can tell stories. They spent ludicrious amounts to make a completly digital CGI suit- when i see plenty of good cosplayers.. Its then the question of how much you show. I think superman fighting Zods, thats going to cost.

But say some CGI establishing shots, and maybe a couple minutese here and there? Remember most superheros have paridoxally not huge amounts of special effects. l effects can be done for modest amounts-not 10 20 thousand but say 100,000- maybe a million. Even if you wanted something big-you could do it. there are fan films with amazing special effects out there. a lot of that is work for free if you had to pay for it, you wouldn't pay a 100 million .

Then the question becomes casting, P&A-All of which cost, but there established costs. I think you could do a wonder Woman movie for a 40 million dollars. Right now i am working on a project something smaller and where looking for about a million. Which is a lot of money-but well Hunger Games made about 400 million.
These are big numbers seeking big number-these are risks yes, but rewards are great. Think ambitiously.

So i think it can be done-i am doing it myself:)

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02 Apr 2014 09:06 #36005 by njae

shadar wrote: I agree with the ideas expressed that the ideal super heroine movie would feature an original character, and the comments below make some excellent points on how POV and so forth should be handled, with the caveat I'd add is that she has to grow and change during the movie in a way that appeals to ordinary viewers. She overcomes, and in the end is a slightly different person than she was before, and its a change we can all relate to. That's the required universal experience of fiction that ties it to our real world -- the protagonist grows and changes based on their experiences, and that growth has nothing to do with superpowers. It has everything to do with being human (even if they aren't).

The problem with all this when it comes to the major studios is that they've invested massive sums of money to buy rights (or ownership) to the characters of Marvel and DC Comics. Its incomprehensible that they would abandon these expensive properties and come up with an entirely new character.

Which says this could only be done by smaller or independent production companies, who don't have the deep pockets for the kind of special effects that a truly great super heroine movie would demand these days.

So its a trap...

That said, the MOS movie an example of a way out of this trap. Take an existing character but approach them as a new property, which is what that movie did, IMHO. Forget previous movies, forget the comic books themselves, take the concept (and something suggesting their costume) along with a few smidgens of their comic book backstory, but basically take all the other constraints off the writers, director, producers, etc. Of course, fanboys will hate it at first, but given you are fundamentally changing the character in the eyes of many, over time people will accept this 'new character' reality and go with it. I'm hoping to see that affirmed with MOS2.


I'm not really sure that simply changing/redefining a character will make for a good movie. Sure they did this with Man of Steel, but they kept the key aspects of the character. But with the WW example: If she's supposed to be this perfect being, then how can anybody even try to identify with her? You'd have to change her to the point the character would be WW in name only. Pretty much just like it happened with Catwoman...

But mentioning low budget, I am reminded of the "Attack of the 50 foot cheerleader" movie from some time ago. The plot was quite simple and strangely fitting for our genre: Girl takes experimental serum that is supposed to make her beautiful and athletic. Works at first but soon a sudden growth spurt kicks in. Still within a reasonable size she ignores any warnings until the next growth spurt brings her into the titular range. By then another -evil- cheerleader figured out that she wants what the main character had, a giant bitch fight ensues, both are given the antidote and end of story. Now substitute size with super powers and make things a bit more serious and there would even be a general plot.

Another point that may be problematic is to have a fitting challenge here. At one point in the past, Solaris mentioned a story idea of a ubergirl that got her powers from a meteor, and would ultimately have to prevent another, bigger meteor from hitting earth. The twist would be that the second meteor is similar to the first one and would depower her on contact. In other words she can save the world, but will die doing so. The story would be her journey from an average girl/woman to the heroine that can pull off the ultimate sacrifice.
Of course, another kind of challenge would be a fitting villain. Comic book characters have a rogues galery to chose from, but an original character would require an original villain. Most importantly said villain shouldn't just be a ripoff of an iconic villain to be believable. For a heroine it would be logical to have a female villainess as well. She could be the aloof, arrogant woman that would abuse her powers in a cold way, while the heroine would have to step up to stop her eventually.
Another version could be that the story deals with two best friends who get empowered, yet take different roads that leave them as the heroine or villainess in the final showdown.

As for 40s-60s characters, I have the feeling that these may be a bit too periodical - especially considering that a movie audience will have trouble identifying themselves there.

As for the overuse of CGI... I think that shouldn't be the first idea here, super feats will require them, but it goes without saying that overuse should be avoided.

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02 Apr 2014 11:46 #36008 by Markiehoe
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I'm all for a new original Superheroine story.
I'd skip the origin story and would just dive right into the action.
Have the story take place over a couple of days.
Have a beginning, a middle and a solid ending.
A complete self contained story.

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02 Apr 2014 12:49 #36010 by njae

Markiehoe wrote: I'm all for a new original Superheroine story.
I'd skip the origin story and would just dive right into the action.
Have the story take place over a couple of days.
Have a beginning, a middle and a solid ending.
A complete self contained story.


I can understand that you want to dive right into the action, but wouldn't you agree that the origin story would make it easier for the audience to identify with the character? After all, the idea is to appeal to the general audience AND us as well. THen again maybe it's just my preference to these origin stories ;)

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02 Apr 2014 13:34 #36011 by Markiehoe
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No origin story in Blade or the original X Men movie.
James Bond was an original character at the time and he never had an origin story.
You can always do the origin in a later movie like they did with Wolverine.

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02 Apr 2014 13:45 #36012 by Woodclaw
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Markiehoe wrote: I'd skip the origin story and would just dive right into the action.


This is, in my eyes, exactly what should not be done. Even with an established character going straight for the action would provide no tangible background for the character and would potentially alienate the audience. I'm saying that an origin story makes automaticly an engaging movie (e.g. Catwoman), but I think it's much easier for a person to identify with the main character P.O.V. if he/she knows what makes the character thick.

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02 Apr 2014 13:54 #36013 by Markiehoe
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In the current Marvel Movie Universe Agent Coulson has the most screen time.
I don't know where he came from.
I don't know his motivation.
We are slowly learning little things about his past.
We do know he can lead a team, kick ass and get the job done.
That was all established in his cameos in the first batch of Marvel movies.
Just dive right in, the audience is pretty smart and can pick it up as we go along.
I can give you a list of non origin story Marvel Movie characters that are pretty popular.
Black Widow would be at the top.

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02 Apr 2014 14:43 - 02 Apr 2014 14:48 #36017 by castor
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Markiehoe wrote: No origin story in Blade or the original X Men movie.
James Bond was an original character at the time and he never had an origin story.
You can always do the origin in a later movie like they did with Wolverine.


Theres a line from Guy Williams i use a lot. Williams was the actor in the 50s Zorro TV show

"No one can really act while wearing a mask, so i didn't really worry to much about it. What i did was spend a lot of time working on Don Diego, and making sure he was right "

Thats one of the big challenges of a superhero movie. If you watch say a Batman movie-you will note how very little time he wears the costume-if for no other reason then it will look goofy afterawhile. It also lets them interact with people on a normal basis which is equally important. Characters like James Bond don't obviously have the problem, and wolverine in his movies cause he doesn't really wear a costume (though i would argue that the original X men was in effect an origin story for him-its about how he joined the team)

This is one of the reasons they do origin stories a lot in movies. It gets the character out of the costume, and can give hte audience a reason to care. You see a lot of short movies online about superheroines - and other then the...you know factor. one comment about them is that they spend all there time in costume-becuse of it they have an interchangability to them. You need more then kind of tough girl in a suit attacks an evil guy in a lab coat. That won't work for 90 minutes.

and not just why they have powers but why they want to help.Hero means 2 things. someone who tries to help the world, and someone we follow. If you don't establish that you don't have much of a movie

You could do other things and other versions of the idea but as been said for it to really work something has to change about them and who they are over 3 acts

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02 Apr 2014 14:45 #36018 by njae

Markiehoe wrote: No origin story in Blade or the original X Men movie.
James Bond was an original character at the time and he never had an origin story.
You can always do the origin in a later movie like they did with Wolverine.

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In the current Marvel Movie Universe Agent Coulson has the most screen time.
I don't know where he came from.
I don't know his motivation.
We are slowly learning little things about his past.
We do know he can lead a team, kick ass and get the job done.
That was all established in his cameos in the first batch of Marvel movies.
Just dive right in, the audience is pretty smart and can pick it up as we go along.
I can give you a list of non origin story Marvel Movie characters that are pretty popular.
Black Widow would be at the top.


The first James Bond novel was Casino Royale ... and Bond isn't exactly a character that needs an origin anyway. The backstory of Blade is mentioned in the movie as is the appearance of mutants for the X-Men movies. The latter actually has too many characters to actually describe everybody.

Same goes for Agent Coulson. He's a side character in the movies, so there is no big backstory needed. The main characters of these stories however DO get their origin story. And the other question would be if Coulson (or Black Widow) could be the main character of a movie. Truth be told I doubt that. A Black Widow movie brings up memories of Elektra - a movie I never fully watched...

As Woodclaw said it's easier for the audience to follow the story if they can track down the path of the main character. You can start with the action and then deliver "how we got here" but that doesn't always work. If we want a female superhero that works, it will be crucial to know where she comes from.

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02 Apr 2014 15:11 #36019 by Markiehoe
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The Wonder Woman TV series had an excellent origin story episode.
It set up the world she lived in and the outside world she entered.
It set up the character and her powers quite nicely.
Now I'm told that that was corny and could not work today.
The recent Cult Retro movie short Scarlet Scorpion also had a pretty fun origin episode story.
It was a fun power suit story which worked for me.
The Marvel Universe movies have introduced a lot of side characters that seem fully realized to me with out origin stories.
I'm willing to bet Guardians of the Galaxy will be action and story packed with almost no origins referenced for any length of time.
Getting back to Cult Retro their most popular character Stormy Tempest has never had an origin yet has seen lots of growth over the seasons.
In the beginning she didn't or barely talked and now later there have been episodes which were light on action and mostly story driven.
A fine balance can be achieved.

As to costumes and masks.
I blame the producers and actors.
Some are pretty vain and need "face" time and the producers want to get the most return for their investment.
It's almost like they are ashamed of the comic book roots and want to get away from them.

Personally I found the "Batman" more interesting than Bruce Wayne in the recent Batman movies and felt cheated with his lack of screen time.
I can see people angsting in civilian clothes all the time if I want to.

I believe we have ONE shot to see a big budget, live action Superheroine movie.
If the first one that comes along fails we will not see another for many years.
They will just reboot Batman again.

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02 Apr 2014 15:33 #36020 by castor
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Heres something for fun- and i hope i don't offend anyone by it heres some stories we see on the site- whould they make good movies.

Deep Down inside
-this is a very long story and that can problematic in movies-but the root idea i think could work. its a story about power currupting and does have a good 3 arch structure. This is an origin story, but its not quite a tradtional one. .

Svetlokianian Girl- This could make a fun little superheroine movie. Its a story about A woman who comes to earth on vacation and learns to care The problem is that there really isn't a challenge yet-but that could change.

Kiraling- I am not sure it would make a good movie as it depends a lot on Sciece fiction mythlogy, and a unreliable narrator-the unrelable narrator could work, but without an audience knowing what the aurora universe is i am not sure this works as film-but stranger things have happened.

Gloria-
This on the otherhand could be a movie. I think you could do a lot to explain the ideas at play and the root idea- evil alien rebels, there something to. I have often wondered if theres a good movie in the Auroura Universe- and i am not sure entirely either way.

MuttenChops Superwoman stories- If one ignores the various intelectual property issues, i am not sure anyone of the stories as formated would make a great 90 movie--however i think theres something there to them and there idea. If you look at them like a comicbook i think muttenchop or someone else could make a great script with the idea.

Miss Dynamyo- would be a very dark superheroine movie- but that could work. Theres an intresting story here that i could see as an R rated movie, that i think would be a bitch to greenlit but thats not a critique. Its an origin story but it does a good job of not being a traditional one.

Viona-is formated a lot like a superwoman movie-hell the first story thats just it. This is slightly tricky in that so much of its internal to her character. However somethings there. A very r rated story.... but.

Michelles Metor Memmeto
- Njaes own original character-and this could make a movie. I think you would have to streamline some of the twists and turns, but leave some of them in. The vaugely realistic world that it exists in is a lot of fun That is written in a way that suggests a modern superhero movie. It focuses a lot on Michelle as a realistic person coming to grips with something extrodinary.

Fragile Bindings-This is A science Fiction story and i think the root idea-a woman whose superpower is completly uncontrollable would be very interesting-and werildly not that expensive to film. of course you would probabbly want the current 150,000 words to be maybe your 60 minute mark.

Daylight- My own story. i will admit i wrote about 15 pages of a script before scrapping it-largely becuse well i didn't know how to convey the origin. This would be an intresting superhero movie if only becuse of how the superpowers are conveyed- which is to say there not. Whould mean it wouldn't have to be to expensive though:)

Guns of the Highlands - This is an incident in a movie-but the basic idea- a supergirl in a realistic war movie could be kind of neat theres a long history of taking stories like this and fleshing them out into full length movies. You don't see this kind of thingas much as you did in say the 1960s but its there. .

Tales of An Mazing Girl-My own story- which i will free admit would make a terrible movie. it is way to episodic. There is a root story-A Woman falls in love with another woman and the kind of mental jujitsu it involves for her that i do think would make a good TV show-but how do you fit in bits where she fights star Trek Cosplay ninjas. .

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03 Apr 2014 08:36 #36034 by njae

Markiehoe wrote: The Wonder Woman TV series had an excellent origin story episode.
It set up the world she lived in and the outside world she entered.
It set up the character and her powers quite nicely.
Now I'm told that that was corny and could not work today.
The recent Cult Retro movie short Scarlet Scorpion also had a pretty fun origin episode story.
It was a fun power suit story which worked for me.
The Marvel Universe movies have introduced a lot of side characters that seem fully realized to me with out origin stories.
I'm willing to bet Guardians of the Galaxy will be action and story packed with almost no origins referenced for any length of time.
Getting back to Cult Retro their most popular character Stormy Tempest has never had an origin yet has seen lots of growth over the seasons.
In the beginning she didn't or barely talked and now later there have been episodes which were light on action and mostly story driven.
A fine balance can be achieved.


I'm not sure the side characters in the Marvel Movies can be compared to the main character of a movie. Iron Man wasn't about Phil Coulson, it was about Tony Stark. He may be one of the characters that string the cinematic universe together, but for the actual movie they were side characters. Same with Black Widow actually. She kicked major ass in Iron Man 2 and Avengers, but didn't take center stage. (Note to self: Watch Return of the First Avenger)

Markiehoe wrote: I believe we have ONE shot to see a big budget, live action Superheroine movie.
If the first one that comes along fails we will not see another for many years.
They will just reboot Batman again.


In this case Lucy seems to be the one shot - and from what I can tell it's an original character with an origin story. And it looks awesome.

Btw thanks castor for considering my story for a movie. I didn't really write it on that premise obviously, but it's nice to see it considered.

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03 Apr 2014 11:20 #36039 by castor
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njae wrote:

Markiehoe wrote: I believe we have ONE shot to see a big budget, live action Superheroine movie.
If the first one that comes along fails we will not see another for many years.
They will just reboot Batman again.


In this case Lucy seems to be the one shot - and from what I can tell it's an original character with an origin story. And it looks awesome.

Btw thanks castor for considering my story for a movie. I didn't really write it on that premise obviously, but it's nice to see it considered.


If it is i hope hollywood takes it into consideration.

Movies sucseed and fail based on scale-and everything about it suggests that its a much smaller movie then Say the amazing spiderman 2- a movie that has a budget of 25 million makes its money back much faster then a movie that cost 150 million. Luc Besson is a director whose real strength sometimes is that that he has really good foriegn distribution to films. Given what it is, it can fail certainly but true failure for it would almost be absulutue-if no one goes to see it yeah, but if it doesn't make 400 million i wouldn't think its a failure.

Also to your point: This is an R rated Crime Thriller that i am not guessing is super sold around a traditional superhero narrative. Its built around a completly original character. Which is to say if it flops, i wouldn't ban wonder woman.

But if it does really well-and looking on the web it seems to be getting some buzz----
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