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Casting Ms Marvel

24 Jul 2014 05:20 #37437 by lfan
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Fan Casting a Ms Marvel movie:

moviepilot.com/posts/2014/07/23/fan-cast...ernal,manual#!bkUd4z

I still say Yvonne has the whole package......

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24 Jul 2014 05:57 - 24 Jul 2014 05:59 #37438 by shadar
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I would agree with Yvonne based on that list, but Katee Sackoff has the kind of attitude that would better fit the characters. Remember that Carol was a high-powered military security officer (responsible for an entire installation like Cape Kennedy), then a fighter pilot, then an astronaut... maybe some kind of Special Ops agent as well. And now she's part Kree warrior. The Kree are absolutely kick ass ultimate warrior types. Given her background, she's gotta at least be in her 40's, although she'd look younger.

Carol isn't polite and demure. She's going to act more like a SEAL; quick reactions and quick to use force, but in a very attractive package. Katee can look cute/tough when dressed and made up correctly (and just tough at other times), but Yvonne has the cute part in spades. She's got some toughness, but I don't think she's bad-ass enough given Carol's supposed background and age.

What we really want is Yvonne's looks and Katee's personality. But if they are writing a full-bore Captain Marvel script, then it's Katee in my book. However, knowing Hollywood, they'll probably tone her down so she doesn't threaten their top characters. A full-bore Ms Marvel could kick Iron Man's ass and hold up very well against Thor, and even go toe-to-toe with the Hulk. I'm betting they won't make her that strong. Or that dominant and strong-willed. In which case Yvonne might be fine.
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24 Jul 2014 06:17 #37439 by lfan
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I see Katee as being butch-y, and while Carol is a tough air force pilot, I don't see her with that hard of an edge -- the kind of personality that Katee Sackoff seems pigeon-holed for these days. That kind of attitude I see for characters like Grace Choi (Outsiders) or Tigra but not Carol.

Yvonne's character, Sarah, in Chuck I think mirrors Carol Danvers quite well. Even more recently in the 24: Live Another Day as the CIA operative. Hard-nosed and determined, but not a cigar-smoking, beat-up-any-guy-in-the-bar kind of badass that I think Katee is more suited for.

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24 Jul 2014 15:03 #37443 by shadar
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Good points. Guess it comes down to the script. She's been a "punch first, talk later" type in the some comics, and a superwoman trying to lead a normal life in others.

In other words, she could be a Nick Fury with boobs and "bend steel in her bare hands" kind of strength, or a bulletproof, flying version of Pepper.

Good for me either way.

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24 Jul 2014 15:41 #37444 by lfan
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shadar wrote: Good points. Guess it comes down to the script. She's been a "punch first, talk later" type in the some comics, and a superwoman trying to lead a normal life in others.

In other words, she could be a Nick Fury with boobs and "bend steel in her bare hands" kind of strength, or a bulletproof, flying version of Pepper.

Good for me either way.


As long as its not actually Gwenyth Paltrow portraying her, I'd be fine with it as well! ;)

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24 Jul 2014 17:04 #37446 by shadar
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lfan wrote: As long as its not actually Gwenyth Paltrow portraying her, I'd be fine with it as well! ;)

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Agree 100%. Not a fan of hers.
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25 Jul 2014 08:37 #37455 by Woodclaw
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lfan wrote: I see Katee as being butch-y, and while Carol is a tough air force pilot, I don't see her with that hard of an edge -- the kind of personality that Katee Sackoff seems pigeon-holed for these days. That kind of attitude I see for characters like Grace Choi (Outsiders) or Tigra but not Carol.

Yvonne's character, Sarah, in Chuck I think mirrors Carol Danvers quite well. Even more recently in the 24: Live Another Day as the CIA operative. Hard-nosed and determined, but not a cigar-smoking, beat-up-any-guy-in-the-bar kind of badass that I think Katee is more suited for.

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Actually I think that both these ladies would be good for Carol depending on which version of Carol one prefers. Some authors likes to highlight her militry past and tend to push the "hard-assed soldier" angle, having carol being quite butchy and so on. Others prefer to go for the "spy" version, a lot less butchy and a lot more subtle. I think that both are valid choices and I believe that choosing Katee or Yvonne would boil down to what version of Carol the story requires.

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lfan wrote: As long as its not actually Gwenyth Paltrow portraying her, I'd be fine with it as well! ;)

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Agree 100%. Not a fan of hers.


I agree too, although it might be for different reasons. In my mind's eye, I always pictured Pepper being more cute than hot. Perhaps it's because of when the character was introduced, but I always though that she should look more like the girl next door, rather than a model. In general I'm a big fan of Ms Paltrow, but in this case I think that the casting botched by a long shot.

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25 Jul 2014 11:46 - 25 Jul 2014 14:18 #37458 by castor
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I would go for a diffrent one- Kristen Bell.

The one thing i associate with Ms. Marvel whether as a tough heroine or someone who wants to be normal is that she is someone who responds to the situation shes in. Shes for lack of the better word the straighman to the world shes in. When a cosmic evil is going to destroy new york there is a vertibal sence of "Oh Great!" . She maybe invulnerable but shes annoyed by it.

Kristen Bell i don't think is an actress you associate as a tough action heroine(though i think any of them on the list could probabbly play them), but shes good at that. Shes good at being a protaginist, and whether you make the movie entirely serious or joke em up. She has a presence on screen that can be pretty effective. Even if shes playing a ripley clone you could see behind it in every shot-and thats what you need in a protaginst.

Yvonne is a decent actress and has obviously done the action heroine-but her strategy tends to be hide this. Its there but its not the first thing. Shes a traditional Strong Indipendent woman who you get flashes of something more. . Its perhaps becuse she is almost always a supporting character, to make this a center stage i am not sure would work. If they cast her she would be a good member of the Avengers-but have her own movie? Kristen Bell i think could do it.


The others: Jennifer Laurence has some of the same qualities, but i honestly haven't super liked her in big budget action movies(though some people disagree). Eliza Cuthbert-has some of the same features not quite to the same effect. Elizabeth Banks Could be intresting but a little old. Charleze theron-Same problem and a little Airy. Amanda Seyfeild is an underrated as an actress and would be an intresting in a superhero role. Megan Fox- a lot of people think shes terrible as an actress-shes not-but no. Elizabeth Jacobs, intresting probabbly not. Oliva Wilde would be good if they did it as a comedy-the more serious a role she does the more she becomes a generic pretty woman. And Alison Bree-i think she would have a lot of fun doing a superhero, i am just not sure which superhero she would do. It would be rewriting the character to much make it this one.


I disagree about the Butch line for Kattie. She has a fair amount of range, and even when she does butch, she does intresting butch(see the Cowboy cop show Longmare), but i doubt she would get cast.

And Paltrow: No.

I am rating all of these actors on there gifts as talent-not in there ability to bulk up(though i don't think of ms marvel as that much of a challenge). I will state shes a flying brick- so some of the skills that Stravinski has-like using a gun or martial arts(or being good in cluseups while the stunt woman does the work) aren't really super relevent. But I do think for Example that Bell would look talented at hitting someone through a wall. Its a special effect obviously, so the real important part is face acting-just looking very pissed off at the person for ruining your day.
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25 Jul 2014 12:26 #37460 by fats
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margot robbie or Kate Todd with the possibility of ireland baldwin would be my choices.

of the previously mensioned Yvonne would by my choice, Katee for me is too butch for the role.

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25 Jul 2014 18:53 #37470 by shadar
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Interestingly, casting choices for Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel) aren't as limited by her physical appearance as someone like Wonder Woman. Or even worse, PowerGirl. Everyone has extreme expectations for those two.

Carol as drawn in the comics is moderately tall, fit and blonde, but not overtly muscular. Yvonne is a natural given her appearance, but with some hair coloring, most of the other actresses referenced could fit in as well. I think its going to be attitude and personality first to make Carol work.

However, unlike others, I think Charlize Theron could do the role well. If you remember her in Hancock, she can be convincing at the kick-ass super heroine thing, especially given its all special effects.

I'll try to post some replies with Ms Marvel images from the comics over the years.

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25 Jul 2014 18:56 #37471 by fats
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shadar wrote: Interestingly, casting choices for Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel) aren't as limited by her physical appearance as someone like Wonder Woman. Or even worse, PowerGirl. Everyone has extreme expectations for those two.

Carol as drawn in the comics is moderately tall, fit and blonde, but not overtly muscular. Yvonne is a natural given her appearance, but with some hair coloring, most of the other actresses referenced could fit in as well. I think its going to be attitude and personality first to make Carol work.

However, unlike others, I think Charlize Theron could do the role well. If you remember her in Hancock, she can be convincing at the kick-ass super heroine thing, especially given its all special effects.

I'll try to post some replies with Ms Marvel images from the comics over the years.


i'm going to stick my head over the parapet and say that Charlize Theron is too old for the role.(she's 38) you need someone younger for the role.

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25 Jul 2014 19:01 #37472 by fats
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i'm going to add Rachel Skarsten to the list of possible.

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25 Jul 2014 19:56 #37473 by shadar
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Here are a couple of typical scenes from the comics (the dialog is important to read):

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25 Jul 2014 19:58 - 25 Jul 2014 20:02 #37474 by shadar
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As you can see from those images, she's not exactly demure. She's a Kree warrior inside, and that defines her behavior when she's in costume.

Out of costume, she comes across as professional and competent, but her aggression is toned way down.

The last frame, with Tony Stark, is a hopeful indication of how she could be cast in the movie. She's a superheroine, but she and Tony are not on the same page.

This is why I was thinking Katee. She would be the type to kick Iron Man's ass just to prove she didn't agree with all his bullshit.
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25 Jul 2014 20:10 - 25 Jul 2014 20:14 #37475 by shadar
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Take a look at this link (Carol Danver's backstory before she became Ms Marvel): www.writeups.org/fiche.php?id=4493
This is by far the best collection of info about Carol before she got into that battle with the Kree and Captain Marvel and got zapped with something that made her super.

She was born in 1938, but is very well preserved thanks to her half Kree anatomy. An actress in her late 30's or even 40's could portray her, at least in my book.

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shadar wrote: Interestingly, casting choices for Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel) aren't as limited by her physical appearance as someone like Wonder Woman. Or even worse, PowerGirl. Everyone has extreme expectations for those two.

Carol as drawn in the comics is moderately tall, fit and blonde, but not overtly muscular. Yvonne is a natural given her appearance, but with some hair coloring, most of the other actresses referenced could fit in as well. I think its going to be attitude and personality first to make Carol work.

However, unlike others, I think Charlize Theron could do the role well. If you remember her in Hancock, she can be convincing at the kick-ass super heroine thing, especially given its all special effects.

I'll try to post some replies with Ms Marvel images from the comics over the years.


i'm going to stick my head over the parapet and say that Charlize Theron is too old for the role.(she's 38) you need someone younger for the role.

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26 Jul 2014 02:43 #37481 by shadar
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Another Ms Marvel image from the early days, showing her original (and my favorite) costume:

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26 Jul 2014 05:54 #37483 by Raa
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I believe this is not Carol Davis. This picture is of Moonstone Being Ms Marvel during Dark Avengers time frame. But I could be wrong.

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26 Jul 2014 18:08 #37490 by shadar
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Based on the eyes, you are probably right. Love the way the artist depicted her physique and costume either way.

Raa wrote: I believe this is not Carol Davis. This picture is of Moonstone Being Ms Marvel during Dark Avengers time frame. But I could be wrong.

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27 Jul 2014 10:23 #37507 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote: Based on the eyes, you are probably right. Love the way the artist depicted her physique and costume either way.

Raa wrote: I believe this is not Carol Davis. This picture is of Moonstone Being Ms Marvel during Dark Avengers time frame. But I could be wrong.


I can confirm that's moonstoen during the Dark Avengers run.

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