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Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman

19 Feb 2016 14:45 #46488 by jdrock24
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I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been any discussion here of the latest BM v SM trailer and the WW scenes contained therein:



IMO, her accent sounds right. Her look is right. And that patented Zack Snyder superhero leap (with a war cry thrown in) into battle is something to behold. Can't wait to see this movie next month. :)
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23 Feb 2016 01:05 #46536 by pansardum
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This trailer was a lot better than the first one in my opinion. This actually makes me want to see the movie.

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23 Feb 2016 16:54 #46544 by jdrock24
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Yeah. This trailer was leagues better than the last one. The last trailer really dampened my hype a bit but this one brought it right back.

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28 Feb 2016 15:45 #46601 by jdrock24
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04 Mar 2016 14:11 #46673 by jdrock24
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18 Mar 2016 12:55 #46832 by jdrock24
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Gal meets a fellow superheroine on the Ellen show:

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18 Mar 2016 13:54 - 18 Mar 2016 13:55 #46833 by shadar
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jdrock24 wrote: Gal meets a fellow superheroine on the Ellen show:

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Humorously, both of whom violate the first rule of superheroines... big boobs.

I mean, the trope is that whenever someone becomes (or is) super, bigger boobs are required. Remember the meteor/transformation scene in My Super Ex-Girlfriend? Played perfectly. Not to mention every comic book ever written that featured a female super. First thing to grow are the boobs.

But here we are, well into the 21st century, and the trope is dead, at least on screen. Maybe it should have died long ago, but I can't escape being a product of the 20th century.

We got a too-cute Supergirl and a boobless Wonder Woman. But... the big BUT... we have them both on screen. A favorite trope might be dead, but I'll take having them on screen over not having them on screen.

And when do we ever get EXACTLY what we want unless we write it ourselves. Pure imagination to words has no limits, but everything else does.

But then, this century WILL eventually offer 'computer animation' that's indistinguishable from live action. Maybe not in ten years, but certainly in twenty. When that happens, both the big and small screens will also be able to offer an unconstrained and perfect pathway from imagination to image. Hope I live long enough to see it.

What will directors and producers do with unlimited creative power? And can the viewing public ween themselves from its fascination with actors and just focus on the creative product?
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18 Mar 2016 16:55 - 18 Mar 2016 16:55 #46837 by kikass2014
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"Humorously, both of whom violate the first rule of superheroines... big boobs."

The same could be said of men in comics. Giant muscles are the male equivalent of "big boobs". In some of Simon Beasley's depictions of Batman, I swear I've seen biceps-on-biceps-on-biceps lol :D

Peace.

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18 Mar 2016 17:08 #46838 by Markiehoe
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I'm kinda with Shadar on this one.
This is like a Monkey's Paw wish/ curse

After all these decades of waiting, we the faithful finally get Superheroines.
But they are skinny.

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18 Mar 2016 22:54 #46840 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote:

jdrock24 wrote: Gal meets a fellow superheroine on the Ellen show:

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Humorously, both of whom violate the first rule of superheroines... big boobs.

I mean, the trope is that whenever someone becomes (or is) super, bigger boobs are required. Remember the meteor/transformation scene in My Super Ex-Girlfriend? Played perfectly. Not to mention every comic book ever written that featured a female super. First thing to grow are the boobs.

But here we are, well into the 21st century, and the trope is dead, at least on screen. Maybe it should have died long ago, but I can't escape being a product of the 20th century.

We got a too-cute Supergirl and a boobless Wonder Woman. But... the big BUT... we have them both on screen. A favorite trope might be dead, but I'll take having them on screen over not having them on screen.


I don't think that the trope is dead, I think that some (many?) simply outgrew it. Like any trope it's a tool and it has to be used in the appropriate time and place, simply slapping it all across the board simply doesn't cut it. Plus, we have to contend with the fact that some people tend to be very touchy about the oversexualization of superwomen (please let's not open the can of worms that his the oversexualization of supermen, okay).
If I have to look at the idea from a too mature point of view I'd say that the growing breasts can be seen as the manifest sign of both maternity and sexuality. Think about it for a minute, a superhuman is supposed to represent a human being empowered and perfected in many ways -- sexuals included -- so it stand to reason that all the visible attributes are somewhat enhanced, yet as far as breasts goes there's another element. Presperous breasts are the visible sign of maternity and feeding, which is ingrained into our brains -- both culturally and biologically, to a point -- to be the most intimate contact two human can ever experience outside of sex and the most tender as well. So we got two opposite elements in one go, both linked to intimacy.
Yet, intimacy somehow relates to vulnerability, because one has to drop one's inner defenses and trust the partner to get something out the experience that it's more than the mechanical pleasure of the act, but here's the kicker: superwomen aren't vulnerable ... well, not as a human is. This is, for me, the reasoning behind the bullets and breasts trope we often write about, seeing these visible symbols of intimacy and maternity defying death and injury is somewhat awe inspiring.

As much as some authors might have exagirated her profile, I usually don't associate Supergirl with maternity, I tend to associate her character with the trouble to growing and the difficulty to fit. Kara is usually a teenager or a young woman, she's in that age when you have spread your wings and leave the nest for good. It's an age when all tend to feel a bit lost and need to change, and she is much more lost than many of us can ever be.
As for Wonder Woman ... she's tricky and most depends on which side of her character they wish to focus on. If, as I suspect, they're going for a rather dominating warrior woman, I don't think that the decision to ignore the "most common superpower" trope is a worng one.

shadar wrote: But then, this century WILL eventually offer 'computer animation' that's indistinguishable from live action. Maybe not in ten years, but certainly in twenty. When that happens, both the big and small screens will also be able to offer an unconstrained and perfect pathway from imagination to image. Hope I live long enough to see it.

What will directors and producers do with unlimited creative power? And can the viewing public ween themselves from its fascination with actors and just focus on the creative product?


To be honest I kind of dread that moment. So far I noticed that many directors when given the almost unlimited freedom provided by computer animation tend to go fully overboard and forget that a movie should be primarily about telling a story and spectacular visuals should be a support to that, not the main focus. Of course movies are a visual medium and they can tell a story purely through images -- George Miller tend to do that, especially with "Road Warrior" and "Fury Road" -- but still it's the story that drives the movie, not the imagery.
Unconstrained freedom of imagining is doorway that let out both the good and the bad at the same time and, as such, can provide both magnificent and terrible results. In a purely digital production, I believe, the role of the executive producer would become even more crucial to focus and trim the artistic vision of the director, otherwise we will get a number of Star Wars prequels kind of movie: visually gorgeous, but totally unfocused on the narrative and littered with scenes that would have been much better with a simpler and neater look.

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19 Mar 2016 00:12 - 19 Mar 2016 00:14 #46842 by Markiehoe
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I just watched a CSI rerun.
In the episode one of the Lab Techs was creating a board game based on the CSI lab and the people that work there.
He is infatuated with one woman that works with him in the lab..
He is attracted to her because she is clumsy and busty.
Her character in the game is very clumsy and very busty.
The woman was not to happy when she saw the prototype figure for the game.

I tend to believe when creating fiction and fantasy stories that character traits and flaws are pushed to the extreme for effect.
Good---Super Good
Evil---Super Evil
Sexy---Super Sexy

and so on.

In our Politically Correct world we live in--- fiction becomes Super PC
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22 Mar 2016 06:22 #46876 by jdrock24
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I just got back from a screening of Batman v Superman and guess who got the biggest cheers from the crowd:

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In short, her action scenes were epic and I'm more hyped for the Wonder Woman movie now.
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23 Mar 2016 02:54 #46898 by steelknight3000
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What kind of super strength action can we expect from that movie?

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23 Mar 2016 03:16 #46899 by jdrock24
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steelknight3000 wrote: What kind of super strength action can we expect from that movie?


Not sure how "spoilery" I should get here. I guess I'll just use tags...

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23 Mar 2016 10:03 #46902 by Markiehoe
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As of right now the Rotten Tomatoes score for B v S is 36% Rotten with 98% of the movie going population wanting to see it.
With most critics saying Wonder Woman is the only bright spot in the entire movie.
It's going to have a huge first weekend.

www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/

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23 Mar 2016 13:54 #46908 by Woodclaw
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'Nuff said.

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23 Mar 2016 16:24 - 23 Mar 2016 16:25 #46909 by jdrock24
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Markiehoe wrote: As of right now the Rotten Tomatoes score for B v S is 36% Rotten with 98% of the movie going population wanting to see it.
With most critics saying Wonder Woman is the only bright spot in the entire movie.
It's going to have a huge first weekend.

www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/


Does anyone really care what critics have to say anymore? The only time I even look at what a movie's RT score is if I'm kind of on the fence about seeing it and I happen to have a free night to actually go see said movie. Two very rare occurrences nowadays so I haven't gone to RT in years.

Besides, I could have told you a year ago that BM v SM would get a mixed reception from critics. For one, they hate Zack Snyder. They always have. It is apparently the "kewl" thing to do among that group of people. For two, this movie was made for comic book fans so a lot of scenes go over the heads of your average movie goer. I mean, I couldn't tell you how many times, as I was watching the movie, saying to myself: "Wow! That's right out of (insert name of graphic novel here)!"

The only negative thing I can really say about the movie is that it did drag a little in the beginning. But once it picks up, it rrreeeaaalllyyyy picks up. :)
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24 Mar 2016 17:47 #46934 by Woodclaw
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A new picture from Entertainment Weekly of Diana alongside her mother and her aunts Menalippe and Antiope. I'm not sure I dig the general style of the costumes, but I appreciate that they look like a cohesive group.

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24 Mar 2016 18:49 #46936 by shadar
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And I must keep reminding myself that since Diana's father is a god, she doesn't need a lot of muscle to have Kryptonian-grade strength.

Just need to keep saying it... over and over. Some day I'll believe it.

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25 Mar 2016 04:19 #46946 by TwiceOnThursdays
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I'll try to be short and non-spoilerly. NOT my strong suit. ;-)

Wonder Woman IS the bright spot in this movie, and I repeat Shadar's mantra myself. I'd LOVE her to have some more muscle, but Godot carries herself well, and handles her fight scenes. She does a GREAT job. There is one scene where she gets knocked down by Doomsday and she rolls up and grins. It's perfect. She really didn't speak too much in the movie though. I was probably looking at her too much to really judge her acting ...

And to no surprise, Jermey Irons is wonderful as Alfred. Affleck does the job he was given very well (no reason for haters). I can't figure if it's poor direction, poor editing choices, poor choices on what to put in the movie (close to editing, but more of the thread they choose), or Eisenberg's acting. But Lex is the weakest link in the movie and he's all over the place and jumbled, and ends up a bit too crazy-town in some scenes.

This is like 2-3 movies mashed into one. Many dream sequences, a non-dream dream sequence (that's actually weakened by the others), a batman origin story that at least was during the opening credits (and I'll admit actually was slightly relevant in the end of the movie), a few plots by lex, the wonder woman plot, the thread of Batman vs Superman, and the setup for other JLA movies, and it sort of felt like return of the king at the end with many endings (but no post credits scene as Synder is too cool for that). And splashes of Irons' Alfred fussing around which I found just too wonderful to do more than grin at.

That's why it's editing and plot choices that could have left Eisenberg's performance weak .. maybe some relevant things were cut ... or never actually FILMED. I'm not sure I care enough to watch it again (again) to try to figure out which it is. I don't hate him as an actor, so that's not it.

That said I enjoyed myself, and I didn't really like Man of Steel (though I keep saying I need to see it again).

BUT, I saw it opening night and there were a lot of people that my geek-sense said were geeks and nerds ... I mean I am one myself so ... anyway, people were really quiet after the movie, and I overheard multiple groups of them knocking the movie and being unhappy. So if this was made for the comic book geeks ... they might not be liking it.

I liked it. But I also saw it alone, and just let myself experience it, though I had to FORCE myself into the movie, after going "really" to the yet another retelling of the Wayne's getting killed followed by a two minute jeep commercial before the movie started ... But I'll note that part of my problem ... I NEVER have to force myself into a movie ... is because Man of Steel is pretty much the only movie that completely knocked me out of the movie and made me AWARE that was sitting in this room watching funny pictures on a screen. I was really self-conscious about that going in. It was a bit of "don't think of an elephant!" and a bit of what I just said. "really? Again?"

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