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Some Amazons like skimpy outfits

14 Nov 2017 19:15 - 14 Nov 2017 19:15 #57090 by Markiehoe
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Apparently the Amazons are featured in the new Justice League movie and they are wearing sexier, more revealing outfits.
And they like them!

www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthi...ooke-ence/861219001/

One actress was quoted:
As she recalls, not every warrior wore a two-piece, and "the girls on set, we never thought of (the new costumes) as a sexy version. It felt a little more glamorous, if anything, because we had bigger, beautiful hair, which I loved."

She refers to the other women as "Girls"
She likes glamorous clothes.
She loves Big, beautiful hair.

That's my kinda woman.
Kinda goes against everything we have been told about women not liking sexy superhero outfits.
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14 Nov 2017 19:19 #57091 by Markiehoe
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Here is the side by side comparison
Wonder Woman on the left and Justice League on the right

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14 Nov 2017 19:36 #57092 by shadar
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Markiehoe wrote: Apparently the Amazons are featured in the new Justice League movie and they are wearing sexier, more revealing outfits.
And they like them!

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Kinda goes against everything we have been told about women not liking sexy superhero outfits.


Ah, these are models and actors and bodybuilders, etc. Their profession involves showing off their exceptionally developed. bodies. So yeah, sexier and more revealing works for them, especially when they are getting paid to dress like that in a movie.

However, I suspect their thoughts probably don't accurately represent the sentiments of the average woman.

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14 Nov 2017 19:45 #57093 by Markiehoe
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Good point.
I still believe the majority of women (and men) like seeing attractive people to good looking clothes.
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14 Nov 2017 20:14 #57094 by TwiceOnThursdays
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14 Nov 2017 22:12 #57096 by brantley
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New York Marathon women were sexy...

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14 Nov 2017 22:25 #57097 by Agent00Soul
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Brooke could be the current Jane Foster version of Thor

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14 Nov 2017 23:03 #57099 by shadar
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15 Nov 2017 00:45 #57101 by Starforge
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Love Brooke Ence. Trained dancer, wonder if she can act.

That shot above reminded me of this video:



Video games being just as bad at selling sex rather than any realistic idea of protection that armor might afford. Like any cisgender male, I enjoy looking at the ladies but it always requires extra suspension of disbelief and the realization that one is simply being pandered to. My eyes might not like it as much, but I would actually be pleasantly surprised if they made the armor appropriate such as they do on GoT for the most part.

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15 Nov 2017 01:21 #57102 by Markiehoe
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I don't look to movies about men who dress like bats for realism.
I am perfectly OK with superpowered, immortal Amazons having impractical armor.
Just like the high heels on Wonder Woman's boots.
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15 Nov 2017 01:28 #57103 by kikass2014
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Yeah people really need to realise that reality and fantasy are two DIFFERENT things.

When I see Lynda Carter in a red, gold and blue swimsuit with white stars, deflecting bullets, I ok with that. At no point do I think "gee that looks unrealistic" lol :D

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P.S. As a player of MMORPGs, that video was HILARIOUS :D Tnx for posting :)
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15 Nov 2017 01:50 #57105 by Starforge
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I'm not disagreeing, and perhaps it's become second nature or expected, but (and I'm only speaking for myself) the extra layer of suspension of disbelief at times doesn't help. When I'm reading or watching what I hope is a good story, I like to immerse myself in it. If I just want to watch hot chicks - there's always porn.

Then again, I have the same continuity issues at times when reading our genre. Crushing a steel barbell was effortless, but lifting a car took effort......ummm o.k.

Fine, I'm wierd :)

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15 Nov 2017 04:58 #57109 by fats
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A few Brooke Ence



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15 Nov 2017 09:18 #57110 by Woodclaw
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I think that the big point is often how far the divider between armor representation goes in games. Although those few samples of archeological samples of armor meant women aren't much different from male ones (a particulary egregious example is the armor of Joan d'Arc), it make sense in the context of visual media to make the details slightly different to help the audience/player differentiate. Even so, there are some moments where I feel the need to go WTF, for example the female armors of TERA.
The two sets below are supposed to be the same armor?!:unsure:

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As far as the general thread discussion, I prefer the original look for the Amazons, but this is just a matter of personal preference. I think it touched a good mid-spot between being sexy and being look like armor.

If we look at it from a historical prespective it could make perfect sense for them to go into battle naked: armor is effective when it defeats the "weapon of the day", if the Amazons are strong enough to pierce their own armor with any possible weapon, then the armor becomes effectively useless and need to be redesigned completely. We can reasonably assume that after the battle on Themiscyra in 1918 the Amazons realized that armor wasn't any good against bullets and started discarding it. This might not be the smartest decision, but it's a possibility.

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15 Nov 2017 11:43 #57113 by Markiehoe
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Woodclaw wrote:
If we look at it from a historical prespective it could make perfect sense for them to go into battle naked: armor is effective when it defeats the "weapon of the day", if the Amazons are strong enough to pierce their own armor with any possible weapon, then the armor becomes effectively useless and need to be redesigned completely. We can reasonably assume that after the battle on Themiscyra in 1918 the Amazons realized that armor wasn't any good against bullets and started discarding it. This might not be the smartest decision, but it's a possibility.


Exactly my thinking. When guns arrived on the battlefield plate armor went away as ineffective and cumbersome.
In 2017 modern battle armor is still heavy and has a tough time protecting soldiers from modern weapons.

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15 Nov 2017 12:00 #57115 by Starforge
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I played TERA briefly and I remember being amused by the over the top female lingerie model dress up show when generating characters.

You make valid points about armor but I doubt seriously that such consideration was given when designing their armor for the movies or in the comics. They wear exactly what they need to in order to sell to male fantasies so I'm guessing the bikinis are actually spot on. Not exactly appropriate in the current climate, however, so we'll see how this is received if it ends up in the movie.

Movie armor - a place where storm troopers wear full head to toe armor that not only doesn't protect them from their contemporary weapons but can't keep them from getting beat up by primitive Ewoks. It only serves the purpose of making them faceless red-shirts to be killed and is a device that keeps the on-screen blood to a minimum.

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15 Nov 2017 12:09 #57116 by Markiehoe
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So the Amazons in 1918 were behind the curve of the modern world when it came to technology.
If you look at the picture at the top of this thread the Amazons are standing next to a modern vehicle and one is in the driver's seat.
100 years is not unreasonable to catch up especially with Diana on the outside feeding them Intel.

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15 Nov 2017 12:59 #57118 by kikass2014
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I think this issue is largely a matter of taste to be fair, and thus subjective.

In the case of armor in MMORPG culture (specifically WoW), there is term for dressing up your character in the skimpiest armor - "Slutmog". (comes from the term "Transmog", which (simply) means to change the appearance of your armor to one of your choosing). Theses players seek out the skimpiest armor in game, often going back to older content they have long since passed.

I have several characters that are female in games, and I must confess, I'm one of those :D

Here is my approximation of Wonder Woman (even had a few players in the game whisper me and give compliments lol)



And here is what I usually wear when healing 20 player dungeons



Peace.

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15 Nov 2017 14:13 #57125 by Starforge
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Cool pics. I don't typically do dress up even in the games that allow for it like LOTRO. I also tend to do a bit of roleplay so generally don't play female characters. An hour of a guy hitting on me in Butcherblock in EQ cured me of wanting the annoyance :). Lord knows how women put up with it :P

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15 Nov 2017 14:20 #57126 by shadar
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Starforge wrote: Cool pics. I don't typically do dress up even in the games that allow for it like LOTRO. I also tend to do a bit of roleplay so generally don't play female characters. An hour of a guy hitting on me in Butcherblock in EQ cured me of wanting the annoyance :). Lord knows how women put up with it :P


They don't so much anymore. Put up with it. Hopefully.

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15 Nov 2017 14:42 - 15 Nov 2017 14:48 #57127 by Starforge
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shadar wrote:

Starforge wrote: Cool pics. I don't typically do dress up even in the games that allow for it like LOTRO. I also tend to do a bit of roleplay so generally don't play female characters. An hour of a guy hitting on me in Butcherblock in EQ cured me of wanting the annoyance :). Lord knows how women put up with it :P


They don't so much anymore. Put up with it. Hopefully.

Shadar


I was kidding Shadar. Of course they do - as long as the guy looks like Brad Pitt :P . Cultural norms may change, but people still do the dance and everyone likes sex and connections. If that weren't the case - evolution would be highly overrated. As someone who has a number of friends with girls in the millennial range, they don't act any different than the girls I knew did at that age (save all the electronic connection that was absent for us.) The boys that pursue them (and in some cases the complete morons they end up breeding with) are also no different. Government has replaced the provider in some of these cases, but even that doesn't change the pursuit of relationship, social connection, or sex. Biologically, we're still human, warts and all.

Or as a good friend of mine once put it: You know what you call a straight guy who doesn't pursue women? Alone.
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15 Nov 2017 14:43 #57129 by shadar
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Starforge wrote: Movie armor - a place where storm troopers wear full head to toe armor that not only doesn't protect them from their contemporary weapons but can't keep them from getting beat up by primitive Ewoks. It only serves the purpose of making them faceless red-shirts to be killed and is a device that keeps the on-screen blood to a minimum.


This is one of the worst areas of Star Wars world-building -- exotic armor that doesn't work. But it's the usual human trend of dehumanizing your opponent to remove any moral impediment to killing them. We do that in every war on Earth, but Star Wars took it to the extreme by creating armies of identical armored human "robots".

That's why I enjoyed the change when Finn pulled off his helmet in Force Awakens and humanized a Star Trooper. Very 21st century. The enemy are simply people with mostly the same thoughts and fears and dreams as the rest of us,

But the heck with armor. I like my characters to have either skin that can't be pierced or a biological force field (ala Kryptonians or Velorians). When the most effective armor is bare skin, the opportunities for clothing become very interesting, especially given it's going to get shot away anyway.

And bullet holes in clothing, with an unharmed lovely beneath, is pretty much where my kink lives. I'm still waiting for Kara to appear in a scene wearing just her civvies and have most of her clothing shot away by some bad guy. Leave some strategically placed rags to keep a PG rating.

But then, Kryptonian mythology says that their bio-field extends far enough to protect tightly fitting clothing. Of course, that doesn't explain why her skirt doesn't get shot away every week!

Shadar

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15 Nov 2017 14:52 #57130 by Starforge
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You are right about Finn and I hope they explore that avenue. The sad part is that it also means that all those other guys getting shot as cannon fodder ALSO could have been Finn. The same people he shoots up with glee in his escape were people just like him - brainwashed and programmed. It's an interesting problem.

Good points on the invulnerability :).

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15 Nov 2017 16:41 - 15 Nov 2017 16:42 #57135 by algae2k
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Starforge wrote: That's why I enjoyed the change when Finn pulled off his helmet in Force Awakens and humanized a Star Trooper. Very 21st century. The enemy are simply people with mostly the same thoughts and fears and dreams as the rest of us,
Shadar


Let's not forget that, until that point, the saga had led us to believe that they were all clones of Jango Fett. I think it served two purposes: the one you mentioned and that something fundamentally was changing after the Empire.
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15 Nov 2017 17:21 - 15 Nov 2017 17:22 #57136 by Agent00Soul
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shadar wrote: And bullet holes in clothing, with an unharmed lovely beneath, is pretty much where my kink lives.


When Hela first emerges in Thor: Ragnarok, her outfit is somewhat tattered with unblemished Blanchett skin underneath. I think she magically fixes it after shattering Thor's hammer when she conjures her famous headdress.
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