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Supergirl Movie coming?!?

18 Sep 2018 01:58 #61204 by Starforge
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I realize that these issues are complex, but my take is that WB is making the mistake of simply trying to put out content that makes money using existing formulas

Maybe Iron Man was just the same thing and lucky but they made a good decision to have an overall plan, made good hires and have had mostly decent writing.  Even the movies where the writing is weak, many times the humor is there to take up the slack.

DC had one hit and now they want to replicate it.  It can certainly be done and I wish them the best but, unlike Marvel (and maybe to DC's advantage) my expectations are going to remain low until they can prove otherwise.  As long as they are throwing money at our favorite type of content I can remain hopeful that they'll get something right eventually.

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18 Sep 2018 02:39 #61205 by shadar
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Hey, look at the bright side. Even if the SG movie is poorly written and has many problems, it's STILL a big-budget Supergirl movie and some good scenes and some great imagery is almost certain to come out of it. 

So worst case, that's WAY BETTER than no movie. 

And until it is made and shows, we can entertain ourselves thinking up ways it could be done well, and sifting the tea leaves of internet gossip to judge how well we think the studio is actually doing it. That's all good.

The only bad path is the one that ends with them not making the movie. But that's no fun to talk about. So let's be optimistic and hope for the best. 

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18 Sep 2018 02:58 #61206 by TwiceOnThursdays
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shadar wrote: Hey, look at the bright side. Even if the SG movie is poorly written and has many problems, it's STILL a big-budget Supergirl movie and some good scenes and some great imagery is almost certain to come out of it. 

So worst case, that's WAY BETTER than no movie. 

And until it is made and shows, we can entertain ourselves thinking up ways it could be done well, and sifting the tea leaves of internet gossip to judge how well we think the studio is actually doing it. That's all good.

The only bad path is the one that ends with them not making the movie. But that's no fun to talk about. So let's be optimistic and hope for the best. 

Shadar


This is all true, and a way to stay positive.

I take what wev'e got so far as neutral, don't know enough to know anything.

But it's fun to speculate.   And to think of casting,etc as the variables align.

I really hope that someone who really wants to see a sexy woman do lots of super-femme feats gets a good position in the movie.  (Lifting heavy things, bending metal, intimidating large men with her strength even though she's much smaller, etc).

Heck, even though it's not my thing, a good super-breath scene would be aces too (as I know it IS some other people's thing).

They'd have the budget to do it right.
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18 Sep 2018 11:03 #61211 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote:

Albais wrote: And new info of in which time movie will happens...

www.themarysue.com/supergirl-1970s/


I would enjoy the SG movie set in the 70's for personal reasons (I was 22 in 1970, so lots of good memories of the 70's). Good SG costumes back then as well. 

But this is DC. Unless I'm missing something, where was Wonder Woman during WWII and the Cold War?  On vacation?  Moved back to Themosyra?  Or is the 1984 movie going to have flashbacks to the 40's or whatever. How do they explain the holes?

SG would have same problem, especially with being absent during MOS, but as Twice has suggested, there are workarounds. Like her not being on Earth. Or maybe her story doesn't take place on our Earth. Total freedom on that one, but not sure how well that would work with a general audience.

Totally agree with Twice that this article doesn't build confidence in the movie being good, but it does add support to the hope that they are seriously thinking about making the movie. That's very good.

Shadar


According to Justice League, the idea is that from 1917 to 2017 Diana was hiding in some hole mourning over the death of Steve Trevor, which is one of the many reasons why I think the DCEU really need to stop and start from scratch.

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18 Sep 2018 11:23 #61213 by shadar
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Woodclaw wrote:

shadar wrote:

Albais wrote: And new info of in which time movie will happens...

www.themarysue.com/supergirl-1970s/


I would enjoy the SG movie set in the 70's for personal reasons (I was 22 in 1970, so lots of good memories of the 70's). Good SG costumes back then as well. 

But this is DC. Unless I'm missing something, where was Wonder Woman during WWII and the Cold War?  On vacation?  Moved back to Themosyra?  Or is the 1984 movie going to have flashbacks to the 40's or whatever. How do they explain the holes?

SG would have same problem, especially with being absent during MOS, but as Twice has suggested, there are workarounds. Like her not being on Earth. Or maybe her story doesn't take place on our Earth. Total freedom on that one, but not sure how well that would work with a general audience.

Totally agree with Twice that this article doesn't build confidence in the movie being good, but it does add support to the hope that they are seriously thinking about making the movie. That's very good.

Shadar


According to Justice League, the idea is that from 1917 to 2017 Diana was hiding in some hole mourning over the death of Steve Trevor, which is one of the many reasons why I think the DCEU really need to stop and start from scratch.


That's the best they can do?  Pretty sad. She's not a quitter and she's not going to sit around for a hundred years moping while the world burns around her during another world war. 

All they had to do was to say that she went back to Themosyra to isolate herself from the world of men -- just as has always been the case with Amazons. She wouldn't even know what was happening in our world and time probably operates differently there anyway. 

The only device they need is another reason for her to come to the world of men. Something she couldn't ignore. 

Her hiding in a museum is very weak and unnecessary given the character, all for a bit of a Batman connection that isn't required. 

Hopefully, they will do better in explaining where SG went from the 70's until whenever it is they surface her again. She can be traveling the universe helping other worlds, diving wormholes and otherwise mucking about with time until she reappears on Earth. Easy. 

Unlike Superman, this isn't really her home. But she has a soft spot for humans.

Shadar

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18 Sep 2018 12:16 - 18 Sep 2018 12:16 #61214 by kikass2014
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Based on WB track record, and while I will try to remain optimistic, I will simply leave these words of wisdom by a late, great Jedi Master:

“ This is not going to go the way you think.” – Luke Skywalker."

Peace.

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18 Sep 2018 20:59 #61260 by Albais
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And one more for today about villain, but a rumor anyway...

screenrant.com/supergirl-movie-brainiac-villain/
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19 Sep 2018 14:48 #61283 by five_red
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Albais wrote: And new info of in which time movie will happens...

www.themarysue.com/supergirl-1970s/


Irony or ironies... the image they use to illustrate the 70s Supergirl is from 1982. (Modern fans -- doh!)

The Mary Sue article is based on a CBR article (which uses an illustration from 2018, based loosely on the 1959 costume, replaced in September 1970), which in turn is quoting an article at The Playlist  about Man of Steel II, which states (my emphasis) :

A source today, right after today’s news broke [about Henry Cavill], echoed the same sentiment that Warner Bros. would shift focus to “Supergirl“ and that movie—likely a period piece set in the 1970s (though this could change) with the young Kryptonian as a teenager—would knock Cavill out of the running for appearing in that particular time period (he’d still be a child then).

So nothing is set in stone.

Personally a period piece would be fine by me, although the ideal time to set it in might be the 1960s, as that's when young people really start to get a voice in Western culture, in the arts, in politics, in fashion, etc. If they take Kara back to her roots as a college student (drama or psychology -- she studied both as Linda Danvers), then a 1960s campus is a fascinating place to be. Heck, unlike the 70s Superman movies she'll not only be able to acknowledge the existence of mind altering substances, but inhale too..!! The era is full of great potential source material. You have the rise of second wave Feminism (for many, much more coherent than the modern third wave), and a military who are still into MK-ULTRA and paranoid about Soviet spies. The Kennedy assassination, Vietnam, Tricky Dicky, Apollo and the space race, Marvel Comics... Oh, okay, maybe not the last one. :)

A period setting also reduces the odds that they'll feel the need to drag Superman into the story, which is a blessing in my books. The less he is mentioned in any movie, the better.


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19 Sep 2018 18:28 - 19 Sep 2018 18:29 #61292 by shadar
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five_red wrote:

Albais wrote: And new info of in which time movie will happens...

www.themarysue.com/supergirl-1970s/



Personally a period piece would be fine by me, although the ideal time to set it in might be the 1960s, as that's when young people really start to get a voice in Western culture, in the arts, in politics, in fashion, etc. If they take Kara back to her roots as a college student (drama or psychology -- she studied both as Linda Danvers), then a 1960s campus is a fascinating place to be. Heck, unlike the 70s Superman movies she'll not only be able to acknowledge the existence of mind altering substances, but inhale too..!! The era is full of great potential source material. You have the rise of second wave Feminism (for many, much more coherent than the modern third wave), and a military who are still into MK-ULTRA and paranoid about Soviet spies. The Kennedy assassination, Vietnam, Tricky Dicky, Apollo and the space race, Marvel Comics... Oh, okay, maybe not the last one. :)

A period setting also reduces the odds that they'll feel the need to drag Superman into the story, which is a blessing in my books. The less he is mentioned in any movie, the better.


R5


A lot of what blossomed in the 60's made it into the 70's. The media went crazy (no surprise) with the Flower Children of Haight-Asberry in San Francisco, love-ins and all, but that was just a single summer. The forces surrounding that began earlier and lasted longer. 

Things gradually wore down as people became disenchanted and the dream of dreams died. But it wasn't a sudden thing. Rather the Zeitgeist was fading as opposed to growing by 72 or 73. People were realizing that the world wasn't going to change into a place of peace and happiness, but some people held onto the dream for a while.

Hippies were wandering out of SF and other places to live in the countryside, which led to the home industries of Humbolt and Mendocino counties of CA. If you visited those areas in the 70's, you would still see the 60's very much alive. 

Only now are the grandchildren of those hippies turning the local industry (growing weed) into a legal, above-board business, with lots of work yet to be done. 

My advice... don't draw a hard line between 60's and 70's, but rather a bleeding edge that lasted until the 80's finally killed it dead. If the writers of the SG movie want to explore some 60's themes in a 70's movie, they will still fit. Movies like Easy Rider, often regarded as a classic 60's counter-culture movie, didn't come out until almost 1970, and opened the door to the so-called  New Hollywood exploration of the counter-culture during the 70's. (Hollywood is always late to the table.)  So while the counter-culture was fading, it was being celebrated on the screen in the 70's. So public awareness of such themes was very high and could easily be incorporated in a period piece.

Shadar (whose only expertise in this area is living through it when I was young. I got my awakening in Chicago with the Yuppies for the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Some of you will understand what that means.)
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20 Sep 2018 14:12 #61301 by five_red
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shadar wrote: My advice... don't draw a hard line between 60's and 70's, but rather a bleeding edge that lasted until the 80's finally killed it dead. If the writers of the SG movie want to explore some 60's themes in a 70's movie, they will still fit.


Although the most logical place to explore 60s themes is the 60s. :)

Of course culture doesn't change in an instant, and many elements of the 60s were still around in the 70s, just as many elements of the 40s and 50s were around in the 60s, but the Supergirl movie isn't going to be a historically accurate docu-drama that attempts to redefine the way the audience engages with periods of modern history. The non-contemporary setting is a bit of fun, adding flavour to the visuals while (hopefully) providing opportunities for interesting plotting. It's a pastiche, a summation, a rose-tinted view, and as such it will play towards stereotypes and audience expectations.

Generally the 60s is seen as a psychedelic decade of innovation and optimism, the 70s is seen as a beige decade of stagnation and realism, and the 80s is seen as a neon-lit decade of excess and greed. None of these descriptions is true, but for the purposes of a fantasy movie like Supergirl the truth is somewhat academic. Any historic setting is going to play with the stereotype, not the reality, so which stereotype will work best as a backdrop for our favourite superheroine -- psychedelia, beige or neon..?

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20 Sep 2018 18:17 #61303 by shadar
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five_red wrote:

shadar wrote: My advice... don't draw a hard line between 60's and 70's, but rather a bleeding edge that lasted until the 80's finally killed it dead. If the writers of the SG movie want to explore some 60's themes in a 70's movie, they will still fit.


Although the most logical place to explore 60s themes is the 60s. :)

Of course culture doesn't change in an instant, and many elements of the 60s were still around in the 70s, just as many elements of the 40s and 50s were around in the 60s, but the Supergirl movie isn't going to be a historically accurate docu-drama that attempts to redefine the way the audience engages with periods of modern history. The non-contemporary setting is a bit of fun, adding flavour to the visuals while (hopefully) providing opportunities for interesting plotting. It's a pastiche, a summation, a rose-tinted view, and as such it will play towards stereotypes and audience expectations.

Generally the 60s is seen as a psychedelic decade of innovation and optimism, the 70s is seen as a beige decade of stagnation and realism, and the 80s is seen as a neon-lit decade of excess and greed. None of these descriptions is true, but for the purposes of a fantasy movie like Supergirl the truth is somewhat academic. Any historic setting is going to play with the stereotype, not the reality, so which stereotype will work best as a backdrop for our favourite superheroine -- psychedelia, beige or neon..?

R5


Agree with all of that, Red. You've nailed the default stereotypes, but they are just that. Stereotypes.  Among my compatriots, we sum up the 70's with one word: Nixon. The death of optimism. 

But my point (and yours) is that they don't have to stick to one 70's stereotype. Psychedelia was still alive, helped in part by my favorite band, Pink Floyd, who did some slightly interesting stuff in the 70's that was rooted in the 60's. Now if they could fit a bit of Echoes into the soundtrack, or more popularly, anything from Dark Side, I'd be in heaven.  

Shadar

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