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X-Men: Dark Phoenix - Second Trailer

28 Feb 2019 06:02 #62997 by fats
Hi all,

This is looking better than the first trailer.



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28 Feb 2019 18:34 #63015 by shadar
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I'm not well-versed in the Dark Phoenix character, but this trailer suggests she's mega-powerful, both physically and mentally. Maybe too much?

Whatever device they use to deal with her destructive powers, I hope it's well done and not a deus ex machina.  

Also, Sophie Turner looks like she's well cast, based on the trailers. I don't think she's going to have to deal with prtraying complex, intimate emotions and relationships, which she's not the best actor to portray. But she has a kind of power about her that was obvious even back in GOT, where I was first introduced to her as an actress. 

But given it's another movie where a female character is the most powerful superhuman, I'm on board enough to watch it regardless. Still can't believe how much Hollywood has transitioned to female-centric power in recent years. Never expected to see that in my lifetime.. Wonderful. Wonderful. 

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28 Feb 2019 22:27 #63017 by kikass2014
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The order, if I remember right, goes - Jean Grey -> The Phoenix -> Dark Phoenix, in terms of the evolution and creation of the Dark Phoenix.

The Phoenix is God-like power in the Marvel Universe.  The Power Cosmic and all that.

So indeed, she should be mega powerful in the film.

The story of Dark Phoenix the comic book is epic, amazing, a cultural masterpiece.  Its akin to one of Shakespeare's plays in the comic book literary world.

If you haven't read it Shadar, I totally encourage you to do so.

This film does NOT do it justice.  If you have seen X-Men: The Last Stand, you have seen this film.  I even get vibes of that film just from the trailer.

Sophie Turner is a very VERY attractive woman.  I wouldnt say she is great actress though, not even good.  She's oooookkkkkkay, and can pull off some roles for sure.  Maybe Phoenix is one of them?

But she'll be hampered by a lousy script and poor direction.

But given it's another movie where a female character is the most powerful superhuman, I'm on board enough to watch it regardless.


There is NOTHING wrong with this. I DO IT TOO! :P

Peace.

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01 Mar 2019 02:20 #63020 by shadar
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I've kind of got the Jean Grey origin and story lines down, but I didn't pay attention when she went to Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. 

My first thought was to go and read it based on your recommendation. But maybe I'll wait until after the movie so as not to diminish my enjoyment of the movie.

I find that reading the source books after I see a movie is almost always enjoyable as they fill in holes and expand what I got from the movie.

Reading them before (like I did LOTR about ten times before seeing the movies), it was too easy to focus on what the movie didn't/isn't/screwed up/changed, etc.instead of just enjoying what it was. 

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01 Mar 2019 08:43 #63026 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote: I've kind of got the Jean Grey origin and story lines down, but I didn't pay attention when she went to Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. 

My first thought was to go and read it based on your recommendation. But maybe I'll wait until after the movie so as not to diminish my enjoyment of the movie.

I find that reading the source books after I see a movie is almost always enjoyable as they fill in holes and expand what I got from the movie.

Reading them before (like I did LOTR about ten times before seeing the movies), it was too easy to focus on what the movie didn't/isn't/screwed up/changed, etc.instead of just enjoying what it was. 

Shadar


Pretty much the thing goes like this. In the classic X-Men comics Jean was more or less as forgettable as they come being basically "the chick", the single female foil character to an otherwise all male cast. Over the years Roy Thomas, who took the reins of the series after Stan Lee droped the ball on the entire mutants concept tried to expand her role slowly making her more powerful (adding telepathy to her arsenal and making her telekinesis more efficient). When Chris Claremont took the reins of the series after his boss Len Wein pretty much soft-reboot the team into the "All-New, All-Different" group (introducing the likes of Storm, Colossus and Wolverine, who was just a nobody that fought Hulk once at the time) he started crafting this crazy story arc that brought Jean to the cosmic class of characters of the Marvel Universe... and forever branded her as a resurrection happy character.
Pretty much it went like this: the Phoenix was a creature made of pure energy that incarnates all life in the universe -- past, present and future -- that for a time hid inside the Sun. While Jean was trying to pilot a spaceship back to Earth, carrying the rest of the X-Men she came into telepathic contact with the entity, which multiplied her powers to crazy levels.
This new boost allowed Jean to do crazy things, she fought and neat one of the Herald of Galactus, repaired the fabric of the universe when an alien super-weapons threatened to tear it down, stalamate against entire alien armadas and so on. Unfortunately all this power left her vulnerable. Confident that nobody would be able to sneak up on her, she felt prey to the illusions of another mutant, Jason Wyngarde a.k.a. Mastermind, that tried to mold her into a sadistic version of herself as the new Black Queen of the Hellfire Club.
In the end the plan backfired, when it turned out that the Phoenix had a dark side and Wyngarde's manipulations had awoken this "Dark Phoenix", pretty much a one-woman-apocalypse. Professor X was able to put series on mental blocks into Jean's mind to ensure that the Dark Phoenix wouldn't re-emerge, but this proved to be barely a temporary speedbump. In the end Jean commited suicide to prevent the Dark Phoenix to consume the entire universe.

Or did she?

At this point thing seemed pretty much defined... except they weren't. Louise Simmons, a writer and editor for Marvel, put forward the idea of reuniting the original X-Men team and, despite Claremont's objections, it was done. The official explanation was that the Phoenix wasn't really Jean, but a duplicate based on her phisiology and psyche. Whereas the real Jean was ina cocoon in the wreckage of the spaceship the whole time.

In spite of this the real Jean manifested many Phoenix-realted abilities over the years and the implication was that she was the "perfect host" of the entity, i.e. the only being in the universe capable of hosting the full power of the Phoenix without going mad or dying.

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01 Mar 2019 09:52 #63029 by shadar
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Woodclaw wrote:

shadar wrote: I've kind of got the Jean Grey origin and story lines down, but I didn't pay attention when she went to Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. 

My first thought was to go and read it based on your recommendation. But maybe I'll wait until after the movie so as not to diminish my enjoyment of the movie.

I find that reading the source books after I see a movie is almost always enjoyable as they fill in holes and expand what I got from the movie.

Reading them before (like I did LOTR about ten times before seeing the movies), it was too easy to focus on what the movie didn't/isn't/screwed up/changed, etc.instead of just enjoying what it was. 

Shadar


Pretty much the thing goes like this. In the classic X-Men comics Jean was more or less as forgettable as they come being basically "the chick", the single female foil character to an otherwise all male cast. Over the years Roy Thomas, who took the reins of the series after Stan Lee droped the ball on the entire mutants concept tried to expand her role slowly making her more powerful (adding telepathy to her arsenal and making her telekinesis more efficient). When Chris Claremont took the reins of the series after his boss Len Wein pretty much soft-reboot the team into the "All-New, All-Different" group (introducing the likes of Storm, Colossus and Wolverine, who was just a nobody that fought Hulk once at the time) he started crafting this crazy story arc that brought Jean to the cosmic class of characters of the Marvel Universe... and forever branded her as a resurrection happy character.
Pretty much it went like this: the Phoenix was a creature made of pure energy that incarnates all life in the universe -- past, present and future -- that for a time hid inside the Sun. While Jean was trying to pilot a spaceship back to Earth, carrying the rest of the X-Men she came into telepathic contact with the entity, which multiplied her powers to crazy levels.
This new boost allowed Jean to do crazy things, she fought and neat one of the Herald of Galactus, repaired the fabric of the universe when an alien super-weapons threatened to tear it down, stalamate against entire alien armadas and so on. Unfortunately all this power left her vulnerable. Confident that nobody would be able to sneak up on her, she felt prey to the illusions of another mutant, Jason Wyngarde a.k.a. Mastermind, that tried to mold her into a sadistic version of herself as the new Black Queen of the Hellfire Club.
In the end the plan backfired, when it turned out that the Phoenix had a dark side and Wyngarde's manipulations had awoken this "Dark Phoenix", pretty much a one-woman-apocalypse. Professor X was able to put series on mental blocks into Jean's mind to ensure that the Dark Phoenix wouldn't re-emerge, but this proved to be barely a temporary speedbump. In the end Jean commited suicide to prevent the Dark Phoenix to consume the entire universe.

Or did she?

At this point thing seemed pretty much defined... except they weren't. Louise Simmons, a writer and editor for Marvel, put forward the idea of reuniting the original X-Men team and, despite Claremont's objections, it was done. The official explanation was that the Phoenix wasn't really Jean, but a duplicate based on her phisiology and psyche. Whereas the real Jean was ina cocoon in the wreckage of the spaceship the whole time.

In spite of this the real Jean manifested many Phoenix-realted abilities over the years and the implication was that she was the "perfect host" of the entity, i.e. the only being in the universe capable of hosting the full power of the Phoenix without going mad or dying.



Thanks, W... interesting how different writers pick up the supposedly dead ends of character arcs and revive them in ways that sometimes work, and sometimes should been left for dead. But that's the comics lore space. Nobody is ever really dead. Or done participating in the narrative if some writer has new ideas. 

I bet it's fun to listen to writers come into Marvel and argue their pitches for reviving or changing a character to create a new series of books. I'd imagine that's a bit of comic geek heaven. A bunch of very knowledgable comic honchos discussing and vigorously arguing character and plot points for days before deciding on a new direction for a series of books, and then assigning artists and writers to do the work. People whose sole stock in trade is comic book characters and the books they can develop and publish and hopefully sell. Movie rights. etc. 

It'll be interesting to see how the movie dovetails (or doesn't) into this mythology from the books. Also nice to know that if I'm delighted by the character in the movie, I know there's lots of good stuff out there to read to expand that delight. 

Back to K's thought... Turner is indeed an amazingly attractive woman, and her eyes, even without enhancement, are entrancing. But I agree with your point about her acting -- I don't get the impression she's a virtuoso.. But I doubt this role will demand a lot of subtlety.  The main thing to me is that Turner has this power about her persona. Power she can project in many ways, even without special effects. She might well be the perfect actress for the role, at least in my limited understanding of it. (And of course she has history in the role.)

Shadar

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04 Jun 2019 22:08 #64227 by slim36
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04 Jun 2019 22:33 #64228 by slim36
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A NSFW photo of beverage product.  Given the destructive power of Dark Phoenix, an interesting association.  However Spacecamper is ambiguous.  

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