She-Ra Reboot in Works

lfan wrote:

kikass2014 wrote: I hope the animation is as detailed as that pic you posted WLG

Somehow, I think it won't be

Looking forward to checking this out. Like others, loved (and still do) She-ra from back in the day

Peace.

/K

its not.  Not even close, unfortunately.  It's not as bad as the brutal Thundercats animation, but kinda Teen Titans-esque in terms of style and detail.  Dunno why this "high level" animation is now the norm these days (e.g. Steven Universe, Rick Marty, etc) but it's definitely not my cup of joe

ElF

I'm going to chock some of this up to "people don't understand what they're copying".  They see Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Rick and Morty as successfull, so they want to be like them.

The animation style WORKS for those shows. They don't look like Teen Titans (not go), Young Justice, Anime, etc on purpose, and it helps to tell their stories.

But the new Thundercats ... the focus in on Comedy and Action. I thought your picture was a joke image someone made -- but *sigh* it's real.  And I went and read about it. The showrunner said "for every one step we take towards comedy, we take two towards action".  That sounds fantastic, honoring the old show, ramping up the humor, and keeping some kick ass action. Unfortunately,  if that is the case, their animation format isn't one that's geared towards action/comedy ... it's focused towards a show where action may happen, but it's not the focus.  

Maybe they should take tips from Samurai Jack (a minimal animation style that really works with it's story).  (Hm.  I need to watch the new Samurai Jacks.) 

Hopefully this wave will pass, and we'll get back to some better animation.

We've still not seen an actual animation sequence from She-Ra, so I hopefully it'll not be too bad.

I, too, thought that Thundercats image was a joke.  Like "WTF?" LOL

Peace.

/K

P.S.  Samurai Jack was awesome and totally worked for the tone and story it was telling.

Pass.  Next please.

Thank you for sharing Lfan.

Peace.

/K

Think they had enough echo in that "god-voice"?  

Age of the primary demographic:  4-6 years. 

I would have loved it in 1952..

Now...even my youngest grand-kids are too old for this. 

Shadar

I'll check out the first couple of episodes. Could be a fun thing.

I think it worked better when I saw the animation.  I'm going to hold off judgment until I see it all in full context.  I definitely watch (or start watching) the first episode to see how it is.  Everyone else seems really down on this, and it's not like I don't see the problems.  I too wish the animation was better.  But it is what it is.  She-Ra is buffer than I expected her to be, she looks pretty good in the frames where she's smacking her hands together.

I liked the voice acting on Alara/She-Ra.    A little bit shouty on the last note of Greyskull, but we'll see how it fits with the show.  That line is supposed to be over the top, it was fairly sedate in the original (compare to He-Man's "I HAVE THE POWER!".)

On a different token, there is a documentary called "Power Of Greyskull" on netflix about the history of He-Man (and some about She-Ra).  I found it much more interesting than I expected too.  The story of how Battlecat came about just makes me laugh.

They interview JMS a bit (co-creator of She-Ra, Babylon 5, etc).  And I found out that an author I like Barbara Hambly wrote for She-Ra.

There were a bunch of comments on how She-Ra wasn't allowed to punch anyone.  (The writers thought it was stupid that she couldn't.)

I am going to fall back on a statement I made in another thread.
It is 2018 now, we have access to the most powerful computers ever made.
Animation should be moving forward.
Not backwards.
"It is what it is." just does not cut it for me.

This is not a Fan Made project.
There is real money behind this.
The Producers are just cheap, have no respect for the audience and i am not buying.
There is a world full of animation from the 1940s to the present day that is way better than this that I have not seen yet.

Markiehoe wrote: I am going to fall back on a statement I made in another thread.
It is 2018 now, we have access to the most powerful computers ever made.
Animation should be moving forward.
Not backwards.
"It is what it is." just does not cut it for me.

This is not a Fan Made project.
There is real money behind this.
The Producers are just cheap, have no respect for the audience and i am not buying.
There is a world full of animation from the 1940s to the present day that is way better than this that I have not seen yet.

I admire your passion.

What i meant by "it is waht it is" is that nothing we say/do/complain about is going to alter what is delivered.   It is what it is.  We simply get the choice to watch/not watch.  (and discuss naturally.)  Got no problem with that, it's 100% as it should be.

What I take exception to is you ascribing movies to the producers.  They are "cheap" and "have no respect for the audience".

Do you know this for a fact or are you just upset that they created something you don't like and therefore they are stupid/bad?

Others seem to like what is made (not here, other places on the web).  If something is being made that people LIKE then it's not probably not being done with no respect for an audience.

(To be fair we don't REALLY know if people like this until they see it.)

This is ENTIRELY othogonal about your comments on animation BTW.  They cover some of the same ground but are not related.

Or do you know something specific about the producers (heard some actual gossip)?

I have no inside information.

Hollywood is a business just like any other.
A time tested business model goes like this.
Produce a product for as cheaply as possible and sell it for as much as possible.
This is exactly what these producers/ businessmen have done.
Art has very little to do with it.

I agree that there is little excuse under current technology to not make better animation.

That being said, if this is going to be marketed not to adults but to children you prop in front of the TV, I'm not certain that spending extra money on quality animation is going to matter.

I remember both of these when they came out but by then I was working and past the cartoon stage.  Having tried to re-watch the old ones on Netflix - they aren't exactly examples of quality writing or animation.  Set up episode, bit of humor, transformation to She-Ra, beat up stupid over-stereotyped and incompetent bad guys, bit of humor and resolution all fit in slightly over 20 minutes between commercials.

I'll give this one a look when it comes out, but my expectation is that if it's like the original and geared for children, it's likely not going to be written well enough to be binge-worthy.

It's strange to think of going for a younger demographic than the original, but perhaps Netflix sees a gap in their current offerings and is trying to squeeze this into those parameters. It's not what I'd like to see but hopefully it will do well enough for them to want to expand on the idea... perhaps upgrade the animation budget or perhaps look to expand the target audience in the future.

One detail I caught... apparently there will be more than one princess ... "She-Ra and the Princesses of Power".

If people buy and/or watch lousy animation, then they are creating a market for it and more of the same will come. 

That said, the times you do see animation quality make large jumps, it's not because of pull (audience demand) but rather due to push from someone influential who can convince the studios to take a big risk on a big investment. Also the availability of enough computer power at the right price.  Example: Avatar. 

Progress is only made because there are designers and programmers and artists who are passionate about quality, and that's what they've chosen to make their life's work. Thank goodness for those who fight (and they really have to fight) to advance the state-of-the-art.

Shadar

While I am quite encouraged by the build of this new She-Ra, I am reserving judgement until I see how Adora's personality is like.

I agree with Woodclaw, her voice in the trailer sounds a bit forced and unnatural, but again, reserving judgement until the product comes out. I really want to see her succeed. 

I don't mind the Magical Girl transformation as long as she kicks ass. She's got a sword and super-strength and the writers of the original couldn't write her punching people because of weird censorship that I guess won't be enforced in a Netflix show, even if they go for an "all audiences" project.

Yeah, count me in on the "will wait until I actually see the show" camp.

Trailer for the She-Ra reboot :

I like the humor. Could be fun, but I'm not holding onto much hope beyond this.

... I just... just can't get over how her face as She-Ra is just drawn way too poorly for my taste; she actually looks more feminine as Adora.

I notice there's no mention of He-Man in the trailer.  Looks like this time She-Ra will be the main event.

I always wanted to see Adam hand Adora her sword and say 'just hold it up, and say this...'

'Wh...What? That sounds ridiculous!! "

 "Just try it sis"

 "Umm...ok...what was it again?..FOR THE HONOUR OF"
and a legend is born. Pity she never got her own movie like him 

Monty wrote: I always wanted to see Adam hand Adora her sword and say 'just hold it up, and say this...'

'Wh...What? That sounds ridiculous!! "

 "Just try it sis"

 "Umm...ok...what was it again?..FOR THE HONOUR OF"
and a legend is born. Pity she never got her own movie like him 

That's not actually that different from the origin of Mary Marvel in Wow comics.  I hope they put Mary in a movie or TV show.  I figured she'd be a shoo-in for at least one guest appearance on Supergirl, but it hasn't happened yet

Not sure if people forgot about this or just stopped caring.

But hey, the show is out and is actually decent.

It's not an action show, so don't expect She-Ra to do a lot of ass kicking. Interesting thing I didn't notice in the trailers is that She-Ra is pretty darn big.