Crisis on Infinite Earths air dates

At the risk of perhaps derailing the thread a bit, the reason Supergirl and Batwoman basically suck, is they are not shows written to entertain.

As spoken about, ad nausem I would imagine by now, on these forums, they are shows written to push an agenda.  Supergirl in particular.

Hmm, election happening in Supergirl, I wonder where else an election is taking place soon?  "Get out there and vote kids, but only vote for the person Supergirl tells you too vote for!"

Dreamer is worthless. Brainy is wasted. Guardian is/was back. There has been some retread on themes and acting - but it's season 5.

This to a tee.  What was the point of introducing Dreamer if you aren't really gonna do anything with the character?  Oh, gotta tick that trans box on the checklist.

Brainy I imagine was there to replace Winn as the "tech guy".  But again, there isn't really a character there.

Alex Danvers OMG.  An interesting character in season 1, with what looked like a deep history with Jonn, nah, shes a lesbian now and thats all.  Move along.

Batwoman is even worse.  I mean, geez, just look at the marketing and build to it before it launched.  "Women are amazing, we can do everything, we don't need no man!"*

The problem with Batwoman is, on top of that message (alienating 50% of your target audience), the show is just complete trash.  Crap story, crap characters, and a main character who is a super Mary Sue.

There is literally nowhere for that character to go.  There is no room for growth, development, tension, etc.  She can be anywhere, do anything, no problem.

Couple that with the fact that you have an incredibly awful actress in Ruby Rose (THE MAIN CHARACTER), who can't even emote past "smug glare", and yup,  your show is in trouble.

But never fear, I guarantee the CW will renew Batwoman for 50 seasons in the next few weeks lol   Can't be seen canceling a show that is headlined by a woman.  A LESBIAN woman at that.  No sir.

I could go on for a lot longer, but I will stop there.

I know people don't like discussing politics, ideology, etc.  and that's fair enough.

But if you want to know why these shows suck, its right there.

Peace.

/K


*Except when you steal all his stuff and pass it off as your own.

kikass2014 wrote: At the risk of perhaps derailing the thread a bit, the reason Supergirl and Batwoman basically suck, is they are not shows written to entertain.

As spoken about, ad nausem I would imagine by now, on these forums, they are shows written to push an agenda.  Supergirl in particular.

Hmm, election happening in Supergirl, I wonder where else an election is taking place soon?  "Get out there and vote kids, but only vote for the person Supergirl tells you too vote for!"

Dreamer is worthless. Brainy is wasted. Guardian is/was back. There has been some retread on themes and acting - but it's season 5.

This to a tee.  What was the point of introducing Dreamer if you aren't really gonna do anything with the character?  Oh, gotta tick that trans box on the checklist.

Brainy I imagine was there to replace Winn as the "tech guy".  But again, there isn't really a character there.

Alex Danvers OMG.  An interesting character in season 1, with what looked like a deep history with Jonn, nah, shes a lesbian now and thats all.  Move along.

Batwoman is even worse.  I mean, geez, just look at the marketing and build to it before it launched.  "Women are amazing, we can do everything, we don't need no man!"*

The problem with Batwoman is, on top of that message (alienating 50% of your target audience), the show is just complete trash.  Crap story, crap characters, and a main character who is a super Mary Sue.

There is literally nowhere for that character to go.  There is no room for growth, development, tension, etc.  She can be anywhere, do anything, no problem.

Couple that with the fact that you have an incredibly awful actress in Ruby Rose (THE MAIN CHARACTER), who can't even emote past "smug glare", and yup,  your show is in trouble.

But never fear, I guarantee the CW will renew Batwoman for 50 seasons in the next few weeks lol   Can't be seen canceling a show that is headlined by a woman.  A LESBIAN woman at that.  No sir.

I could go on for a lot longer, but I will stop there.

I know people don't like discussing politics, ideology, etc.  and that's fair enough.

But if you want to know why these shows suck, its right there.

Peace.

/K


*Except when you steal all his stuff and pass it off as your own.

All I'll say is that if CW is a propagandist (and that's what you are describing), they are really, really, really bad at it. The election is 13 months away and they are currently losing chunks of their primary demographic. 

Which means if they continue on this path they will also lose advertising revenue (the show earns via their market share) over that period and have less influence (fewer viewers) and will probably get cancelled. 

Like all corporations, CW has a fiduciary responsibility to their stock holders, which is managed by their Board. They are going to have to prove these shows make money to keep them on the air. And with Amazon and Disney and Apple about to flood the Net with immense amounts of new streaming shows, CW is going to have a very tough time the next year or two. Too tough to carry shows that aren't earning their way. 

Shadar

All I'll say is that if CW is a propagandist (and that's what you are describing), they are really, really, really bad at it. The election is 13 months away and they are currently losing chunks of their primary demographic.

Oh I totally agree with you Shadar.  They are terrible at it.

In my mind though, I don't see it changing.  If anything, I would imagine they would double down and try and "spin it" in the shill media.  I mean, Batwoman had appalling ratings for a:

1) Comic book show
2) A NEW show
3) Linked to already established shows

By comparison, Arrow got around 4 million viewers on its debut; Flash got around the same, and even Supergirl pulled in 3 million.  Yet all the articles after the pilot of Batwoman came out, spun it as "that's a solid rating".

The truth is, no its not a "solid" rating. And it will go down.  The pilot nearly always gets the most views, primarily down to the "curiosity factor".

And certainly with Apple+; Disney and a whole host of other streaming services coming out soon, yeah, that is a very real problem for the CW.

Peace.

/K

kikass2014 wrote:

The truth is, no its not a "solid" rating. And it will go down.  The pilot nearly always gets the most views, primarily down to the "curiosity factor".

And certainly with Apple+; Disney and a whole host of other streaming services coming out soon, yeah, that is a very real problem for the CW.

/K

Yea, those #'s for a new show are pathetic.  Supergirl's ratings pretty much scream that they show is on the wrong track and that people aren't even giving it a chance this season.  I've yet to watch it.  I was told by a friend that I "had" to watch the first Flash episode ... and it was ok, meh.  And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.   (I'm a huge fan, and stupid though the entire thing was, I was smiling throughout that.  Probably not enough to make me keep up with Flash but...)

And there is too much competition.  I've got a lot of things in my queue to watch, and all of it's better than Supergirl.   If Supergirl, wasn't _Supergirl_ I'd have no interest, but my obsession keeps me paying attention.

I'd rather watch Titans S2 than Supergirl, and Titans S1 was far from perfect.  Honestly, someone posted about the anime Magical Spec Ops Girl Asuka, which led me to picking up VRV and watching a LOT of anime.  They tend to be silly-fun,and that goes a long way with me, I don't need grim-dark entertainment when I can turn on the news.  I honestly have no interstest in the new Joker movie for that reason, but will probably force myself to go see it so I can judge it for myself.  Personally, I'm mad that I forgot that this week was the Fathom Event for Jay and Slient Bob Reboot as that is probably two hours of STUPID STUPID STUPID fun.  + Melissa Benoist in a super-heroine costume with Pants as Kevin Smith did it first.)

Which is why Doom Patrol and Legends are my favorite DC shows (and Legends was losing it's steam last year.)

Crisis OTH,I'm tuning in for it.  (CW: Please don't screw it up.)

.... And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.

That was one of the best and most hilarious Flash sequences I've seen the entire series  

I love the show, though it certainly has gone downhill a lot since the amazing 1st and 2nd season imo.

Twice I recommend watching Joker for NO other reason then Phoenix's performance.  It really is a masterclass.  The film is meh tbh, but his performance elevates the whole thing.

Totally agree that there is a LOT of competition now, even in the comic book genre.  I'm not really a grim and dark man either tbh, but The Boys is pretty good.  Plus, you have Disney's Mandelorian coming out, which looks great imo.

Also, I'm really digging Stumptown atm.  LOVE Cobbie Smulders, and will forever be bummed out that she never got to play Wonder Woman in Whedon's planned version.  But the series is also good fun, based on the graphic novels bu Greg Rucka for you comic book nerds  

Peace.

/K

Ladies and gents, our first official image of the Anti-Monitor

kikass2014 wrote:

.... And I didn't know why he wanted me to all the way until the end ... when Cisco queues up the music for the black hole.

That was one of the best and most hilarious Flash sequences I've seen the entire series  

I love the show, though it certainly has gone downhill a lot since the amazing 1st and 2nd season imo.

Twice I recommend watching Joker for NO other reason then Phoenix's performance.  It really is a masterclass.  The film is meh tbh, but his performance elevates the whole thing.

Totally agree that there is a LOT of competition now, even in the comic book genre.  I'm not really a grim and dark man either tbh, but The Boys is pretty good.  Plus, you have Disney's Mandelorian coming out, which looks great imo.

Also, I'm really digging Stumptown atm.  LOVE Cobbie Smulders, and will forever be bummed out that she never got to play Wonder Woman in Whedon's planned version.  But the series is also good fun, based on the graphic novels bu Greg Rucka for you comic book nerds  

Peace.

/K

I’m sorta surprised they waited until this season to pull that stunt on Flash... but it will be one of my favorite scenes for the show for it’s entire run.  Flash does seem to have a lost some of it’s spark.  Not sure what it is.  When thinking about that scene I thought “That’s the most Cisco thing Cisco has done in a long while...”  and somewhere in that thought is a thread on what’s wrong with Flash I think.  Maybe it had too many characters on the show, a bit too much drama, and too much focus on bringing Barry down.  They do seem to be shedding people.  (No Wells this year?)

Stumptown is on my list due to Smulders!  I  hadn’t read the Greg Rucka Graphic Novel but it’s sitting on my desk right now. Rucka is generally pretty good,  And I do like non-superhero comics (Brubaker’s Criminal is really good).  Maybe I’ll queue Stumptown up this weekend.  (Rucka also seems pretty pleased with the show and the casting and that also makes me think better of a show when they can make the creator happy.)

Pheonix is really the only reason I think I can watch Joker. He’s always awesome and it looks like he is doing his job on the trailers.   Stumptown might win over it this weekend though.

I loved the Boys. It’s the right blend of dark/humor/twisted/creepy.  (I”ve also read the comic back in the day.) That’s saves it from feeling too dark to me.

 I found a lot of Supergirl last year depressing... a show about Supergirl should not be depressing!!   Now Lex.  Lex was fun.

In a conversation about misc things, a friend and i bought up a Jim Carrey movie that is years before Ace Ventura, the movie “Once Bitten”.  I just remember it being wonderfully silly (very 80’s).  Things not only have to compete with new stuff, but with the advent of Netflix/Hulu/WB/Amazon, a lot of old shows and movies are now easily available and ... spending time watching them might be more enjoyable than watching something new.  And while I thought that I was pretty good at keeping up with all the things I liked, I constantly find some movie/tv show that somehow slipped by my radar back in the day, or is finally now streaming.

I remember i was upset that the only copy of WIllow I could find was a bootleg import from Germany ... until they re-released it for it’s anniversary.  That’s a movie it’d tell anyone who hasn’t seen it to watch for the sheer fun (and Joanne Whalley!).  There are 100’s of things like that.

Our first teaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtWP2NYHvQ

couple new stills including our first look at Clark and Lois's newborn child. Also for those unaware, the blond woman with Oliver Queen in the third image is Mia Smoak, as played by Katherine McNamara, his daughter. She was born during the Arrow season 7 finale and had been featured in the flashforwards taking place in 2040 that had ran during that season. Last week, she, her half brother William Clayton, and Connor Hawke(son of Bronze Tiger and eventually adopted by John Diggle) arrived in the present, presumably at the hands of the Monitor. She's also slated to star in a backdoor pilot for a new spinoff titled Green Arrow & the Canaries, which will air as Arrow's second-to-last episode.

And on a somewhat somber note, filming on Arrow has come to an end this week. They've finished filming the final episode and the stars have been leaving their farewells, including this one from Stephen Amell. Say what you will about the occasional lapse in quality. Trust me, there are moments that damn near made me quit watching. But did anyone ever expect to see a live action Crisis on Infinite Earths, or anything like we've seen over the last 8 years? Smallville paved the way, but Arrow got it going.

And more pictures.

And another teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg3xmtvEijI

The countdown continues. Three more weeks to go.

 

With a little over two weeks left to go, the CW has released synopses for the first three parts of the crossover. Parts 4 and 5 won't be airing until after the midseason/holiday hiatus on January 14 and I suspect that part 3 will end on a cliffhanger, so we won't be hearing anything official about those two episodes til probably around New Year's. 


Supergirl , “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One”
THE KICKOFF TO THE EPIC CROSSOVER EVENT
Sunday, Dec. 8 at 8/7c (special time)
The Monitor (guest star LaMonica Garrett) sends Harbinger (guest star Audrey Marie Anderson) to gather the worlds’ greatest heroes – Supergirl, The Flash, Green Arrow, Batwoman, White Canary, The Atom and Superman (guest star Tyler Hoechlin) – in preparation for the impending Crisis.  With their worlds in imminent danger, the superheroes suit up for battle while J’onn and Alex recruit Lena to help them find a way to save the people of Earth-38.

Batwoman , “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two”
CAN THE REAL CLARK KENT PLEASE STAND UP? ‘CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS’ CONTINUES WITH SPECIAL GUEST STARS TOM WELLING, ERICA DURANCE AND KEVIN CONROY
Monday, Dec. 9 at 8 pm (special day)
The group uses Ray’s invention to track new recruits to help save the universe. The Monitor sends Iris, Clark and Lois (guest star Elizabeth Tulloch) in search of a mysterious Kryptonian, while Kate and Kara head out to find Bruce Wayne (guest star Kevin Conroy). In addition, Mia challenges Sara, Rory discovers a hidden talent, and Lex Luthor (guest star Jon Cryer) returns.

The Flash , “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three”
BLACK LIGHTNING JOINS THE ARROWVERSE IN THE THIRD CHAPTER OF THE CROSSOVER
Tuesday, Dec. 10 at 8 pm
Pariah (The Flash‘s Tom Cavanagh) enlists Black Lightning (guest star Cress Williams) to help stop the Anti-Monitor (guest star LaMonica Garrett) after Flash-90 (guest star John Wesley Shipp) shares what he learned from his battle in “Elseworlds.”  With the help of Black Lightning, Barry, Cisco and Killer Frost come up with a plan that could save them all.  Meanwhile, Iris has a heart-to-heart with Ryan Choi (Legends of Tomorrow newcomer Osric Chau), while Oliver and Diggle return to an old, familiar stomping ground.

Two more weeks to go

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And the fun continues, with images of Black Lightning interacting with the mainstream Arrowverse. Incidentally, the young man standing next to him in the group picture is Ryan Choi, as played Osric Chau. He'll be joining Legends of Tomorrow, possibly replacing Ray Palmer as the Atom after Brandon Routh leaves this season. He'd been previously name dropped last season as being the man who'd developed the ring Barry now uses to store his suit.

And even more of Brandon as Superman. I swear, as soon as more images of Kara are released, I will be posting them.

Harrison Wells looks awesome in that green super suit.

As promised, a couple images of our favorite blond Kryptonian. Also a certain bald psychopath makes his return