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19 May 2015 19:40 - 19 May 2015 19:45 #42186 by AuGoose
I play with this a lot in the Lioness - she's very, very strong, probably in the x100-x500 range. But she's not super massive, so the amount of force she can apply is almost entirely limited by her ability to "fly in place" which at this point in the story mostly lets her simulate a mass of about 800 pounds and is very limited by her concentration. It's why she makes fun of boxing - without the extra mass she's terrible at it when fighting other supers. She can easily hit things hard enough to launch herself flying because in an impact like that the lighter object moves and she's usually the lighter object. But in a bear hug or her preferred "pinching" attacks she doesn't try to transfer momentum - she can apply direct pressure and there her strength is able to play out fully. She can cut a solid steel cylinder in half with a single quick gesture if she can get her arms around it - a beam she could punch all afternoon with hardly any effect. Same thing takes place in her fights with other supers on the receiving end. She's a tall, heavily built girl... probably weighs about 210. When means when someone with super strength and enhanced mass hits her, she goes flying.

Extreme strength starts to generate really strange effects. First off you have to have a certain amount of invulnerability or you'll just pulverize yourself. The exact form of that invulnerability can be written a number of ways and it greatly affects the exercise of your strength. Some characters are super hard or extremely dense - a way of explaining why their bones -- the pivot points for all the force being exerted -- don't shatter. Taylor (again the example most on my mind lately) has a sort of "smart" durability - she seems as flexible and pliable as a normal person right up to the point where she would suffer damage - and then she doesn't bend or compress any further for ANYTHING. The explanation for that will be a big deal in the setting because its about the most convenient/humanizing version of invulnerability imaginable. She's only invulnerable when it matters.

Then its the question of leverage. Not just "you can't lift that, it would crumple around your hands" but also "so you have grabbed it at a place where its meant to be jacked into the air.... and your feet start sinking into the ground..." You're easily strong enough to concentrate weight until to exceed the loadbearing properties of a footprint-sized piece of even the strongest bedrock. In comes the power of flight to try and cover up the madness. As with the famous superman animated series clip "World of Carboard" you're not just being careful of cardboard walls... you're standing on cardboard too.

In a recent chat I got to thinking about infinite strength characters. These people could accidentally be tearing holes in physics as we know them. While speed it a huge factor in breaking the world (that baseball link was GREAT btw :)) strength/invulnerability lets you exert pressure. For the infinite strength character you could very well end up with neutronium dust dripping from your fingers when you rub them together hard enough - atomic nuclei being smashed into degenerate lumps. Gamma rays abound!

But most ubergirls hang out well below that point. I think it's more a matter of determining what you want them capable of narratively and then working through the consequences.
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21 May 2015 10:28 #42223 by gotham_knight
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Here is a RAW link for some other pages from the manga.

tieba.baidu.com/p/3075430449
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21 May 2015 12:22 #42224 by bach2990
Is it One shot? For me It looks like a one shot. wow for a one shot, I think.

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21 May 2015 13:14 #42225 by shadar

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Gliblord wrote: This is actually something I've been thinking about for a while now, but is there some kind of reference scale of super-strength force that would be useful in measuring the strength of a supergirl? Like, 10X human strength would be capable of such and such, 100X human strength would be capable of punching through steel, etc. etc.?


The problem would be to determine what a 1x human strength equates to. Given that the scale of strength -- or any element of human physiology for what matter -- varies wildly between people that would be the logical first step.


When I was putting the AU together way back in the day, I assumed that 1x (what I called NHI - Normal Human Index) was the strength of the strongest recorded human of natural genetics. Think of your massive male lifter who can bench a 1100 pounds or so. Once you have 1x nailed, the rest is easy to calculate.

Then there is the essential paired concept of invulnerability. I didn't want Velorians to feel like they were carved out of steel, so the idea was a nano force field generated by every cell in their body which operated as a 5th order exponential. Small and slow deflections (such as one could exert with their hands) would appear to be human normal, but increase the deformation and/or speed of deformation of their flesh, and that 5th order exponential would ensure that resistance to further deformation would quickly soar off the charts. So even a low-power subsonic bullet would dimple skin a fair bit, but the rapidly increasing resistance driven by rate and deformation distance would stop even a canon shell or rail gun.

Getting shot with an automatic weapon would cover their body with dimples and ripples, depending on the inherent firmness of the flesh struck, hair flying wildly as the force of the bullets was absorbed and then deflected. Punching a Vel with your fist wouldn't hurt you very much, because fists are weak and slow, and it might knock her off her feet if she wasn't prepared. It would be like punching a very large man. But if she tensed up first and made herself hard, then it might break your wrist, depending on where you struck her. Cheekbone would be very different than a boob, for instance.

Same goes for flight, which is a conscious thing. Catching a surprise high-caliber round in the chest would send a Velorian flying backward and head over heels. It happens too fast for them to see and adjust to, and involves absorbing hundreds of foot-pounds of force. Given that flight is a conscious function that involves tensing of muscles to develop force (tensing muscles forces Orgone conversion in the cells of the body which generates free energy that can be directed). So getting shot with a canon would likely send them flying backward a hundred meters or more, or even through a wall or vehicle. That's many thousands or tens of thousands of foot-pounds. Unless they tensed their body and concentrated on making themselves rigid first, at which point she might not move more than few inches.

Human reaction time and perceptions can't be speeded up too much without suffering immense perceptual changes, which would be very disorienting. Think super slow-motion. Nobody wants to live that way. So reaction times are not much different than human. That limits their ability to move quickly.

The reason for all this was to allow Vels to pass as humans, even in very intimate settings. I tossed in the idea that a gold choker suppressed their thyroid gland which in turn controls Orgone metabolism. That reduces/prevents the metabolism of Orgone, which says that the powers of flight, super strength, heat vision, etc. are dampened to zero. But the fifth-order binding of the forcefield in their tissues remains unchanged, so other than a very slowly applied force of great power (think of getting hugged by Superman's full strength, very slowly), they are still invulnerable. Also that their muscles were made of two kinds of contractile strands -- normal ones that are at the upper end of human, powered by glucose as per normal, and a small number of other strands that respond only to Orgone energy and are vastly stronger. Without Orgone metabolism working, then you get normal strength.

The reason? Dealing with emotional and orgasmic physical reactions. Vels range from 200NHI to 4000NHI in strength (remember, 1 NHI is the strongest possible human male), so if you scale up everything you know about intimate female responses to orgasm and combine that with superstrength, then no human is going to survive such an encounter without some help from science. And given I wanted my Vels to be notoriously promiscuous (both culturally and given they are freed from any negative physical consequences for their behavior). How many healthy human females would change their behavior if there was zero risk of injury, disease, pregnancy, etc? Sexual mores (from a female perception) are often grounded in self-preservation.

Anyway, as anyone who tries to make sense out of comic book powers finds quickly, you have to invent a lot of pseudo-science to explain things. But it can be done in various ways that take powers out of the "magical" category and into the range of science.

The original comic writers didn't think this through very well, which then becomes our job when we try to bring "rational reality" into the picture.

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26 May 2015 08:41 #42362 by ChaozCloud
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26 May 2015 13:08 - 26 May 2015 14:58 #42365 by SHTL
Please can someone translate also these pages?

Super human teen girl, super strong and unbreakable, with very bad attitude :)
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26 May 2015 13:10 - 26 May 2015 14:52 #42366 by SHTL
And other question: is this all we can have about this comic or we already have other pages, issues to see?

I'm ready to a sacrifice but to have all, I love lady justice !!!

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26 May 2015 15:09 #42369 by SHTL
sorry gotham_knight but is there somwhere chapter 2 ? I ask it because i already have chapter 1 and these pages are totally new but i can't find any chapter 2 on the net...

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26 May 2015 16:09 #42370 by bach2990
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26 May 2015 17:06 #42371 by castor
I think i liked this more then some of the people involved in the translation.

This had a good sence for the first half of existing in a world without a lot of continuity. i just liked how everyone involved seem legitmeatly shocked and suprised to see her and how does she exist at all, which is always kind of fun in comicbooks as it goes to the sence of actual awe and wonder in it more then a lot of hey "theres a superbattle at 3" type stories you often see particuarly in marvel. Even with her, that kind of worked and i liked how even she didn't seem to quite know what to do or respond to this.

That said yeah some of the kid stuff was a little silly, and yeah it could turn all into fan service pretty easily but The rommance stuff yeah felt a little generic but it wasn't horribly done

This isn't bad.

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27 May 2015 12:32 #42398 by Gliblord
Looks like my scan group got beaten to the punch! Damn :pinch:

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27 May 2015 12:36 #42399 by Gliblord
bato.to/read/_/323181/lady-justice_v1_ch1_by_fallen-angels/3 MY translation, if you're interested. My translation style is loose and strives more to preserve the spirit of what's being said as opposed to the letter

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27 May 2015 13:22 #42401 by Woodclaw

Gliblord wrote: bato.to/read/_/323181/lady-justice_v1_ch1_by_fallen-angels/3 MY translation, if you're interested. My translation style is loose and strives more to preserve the spirit of what's being said as opposed to the letter


Any chance of you doing "Don't Meddle with my Daughter" as well?

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27 May 2015 14:34 - 27 May 2015 14:45 #42403 by Gliblord
I decided to drop LJ since another group is doing it and Ch. 2 was basically nothing but another eye-rolling fanservice setpiece with no plot in sight. As much as I love supergirls, I equally hate shitty series that are basically "omg look she got caught naked AGAIN!!" x 3,000. At least the first chapter had the amusing baby/parent stuff.

As for Don't Meddle With My Daughter, another group is doing that. For anyone interested, it's supergirls only basically pornographic. Also, the stupid "OH NO DON'T TOUCH ME THERE, TENTACLES!!" shit that's essentially peril. Though if you're down for, say, a supervillain who gets serviced by three smiling lady minions as she sits coolly on her throne, you could certainly do worse! (That's my idea of an empowered lady!)
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28 May 2015 08:52 #42428 by gotham_knight
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Sorry SHTL, I was unable to determine what chapter this scan came from with my browser's translator.

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28 May 2015 08:54 #42429 by SHTL
Ok no problem.

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28 May 2015 19:41 #42450 by ChaozCloud
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30 May 2015 12:36 #42476 by Caylane
I just wana see it translated is all, since like its been almost two months since chapter 1 was translated.

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30 May 2015 15:16 #42479 by ChaozCloud

Caylane wrote: I just wana see it translated is all, since like its been almost two months since chapter 1 was translated.


There are links to both chapter 1 and 2 scanlations in this topic. But here they are again.

#1: bato.to/read/_/323012/lady-justice_ch1_by_based-anon-scans
#2: bato.to/read/_/323251/lady-justice_ch2_by_based-anon-scans
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31 May 2015 02:22 #42485 by Caylane

ChaozCloud wrote:

Caylane wrote: I just wana see it translated is all, since like its been almost two months since chapter 1 was translated.


There are links to both chapter 1 and 2 scanlations in this topic. But here they are again.

#1: bato.to/read/_/323012/lady-justice_ch1_by_based-anon-scans
#2: bato.to/read/_/323251/lady-justice_ch2_by_based-anon-scans


Sorry, was talking about Don't Meddle With My Daughter

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