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Extreme strength starts to generate really strange effects. First off you have to have a certain amount of invulnerability or you'll just pulverize yourself. The exact form of that invulnerability can be written a number of ways and it greatly affects the exercise of your strength. Some characters are super hard or extremely dense - a way of explaining why their bones -- the pivot points for all the force being exerted -- don't shatter. Taylor (again the example most on my mind lately) has a sort of "smart" durability - she seems as flexible and pliable as a normal person right up to the point where she would suffer damage - and then she doesn't bend or compress any further for ANYTHING. The explanation for that will be a big deal in the setting because its about the most convenient/humanizing version of invulnerability imaginable. She's only invulnerable when it matters.
Then its the question of leverage. Not just "you can't lift that, it would crumple around your hands" but also "so you have grabbed it at a place where its meant to be jacked into the air.... and your feet start sinking into the ground..." You're easily strong enough to concentrate weight until to exceed the loadbearing properties of a footprint-sized piece of even the strongest bedrock. In comes the power of flight to try and cover up the madness. As with the famous superman animated series clip "World of Carboard" you're not just being careful of cardboard walls... you're standing on cardboard too.
In a recent chat I got to thinking about infinite strength characters. These people could accidentally be tearing holes in physics as we know them. While speed it a huge factor in breaking the world (that baseball link was GREAT btw ) strength/invulnerability lets you exert pressure. For the infinite strength character you could very well end up with neutronium dust dripping from your fingers when you rub them together hard enough - atomic nuclei being smashed into degenerate lumps. Gamma rays abound!
But most ubergirls hang out well below that point. I think it's more a matter of determining what you want them capable of narratively and then working through the consequences.
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Gliblord wrote: This is actually something I've been thinking about for a while now, but is there some kind of reference scale of super-strength force that would be useful in measuring the strength of a supergirl? Like, 10X human strength would be capable of such and such, 100X human strength would be capable of punching through steel, etc. etc.?
The problem would be to determine what a 1x human strength equates to. Given that the scale of strength -- or any element of human physiology for what matter -- varies wildly between people that would be the logical first step.
When I was putting the AU together way back in the day, I assumed that 1x (what I called NHI - Normal Human Index) was the strength of the strongest recorded human of natural genetics. Think of your massive male lifter who can bench a 1100 pounds or so. Once you have 1x nailed, the rest is easy to calculate.
Then there is the essential paired concept of invulnerability. I didn't want Velorians to feel like they were carved out of steel, so the idea was a nano force field generated by every cell in their body which operated as a 5th order exponential. Small and slow deflections (such as one could exert with their hands) would appear to be human normal, but increase the deformation and/or speed of deformation of their flesh, and that 5th order exponential would ensure that resistance to further deformation would quickly soar off the charts. So even a low-power subsonic bullet would dimple skin a fair bit, but the rapidly increasing resistance driven by rate and deformation distance would stop even a canon shell or rail gun.
Getting shot with an automatic weapon would cover their body with dimples and ripples, depending on the inherent firmness of the flesh struck, hair flying wildly as the force of the bullets was absorbed and then deflected. Punching a Vel with your fist wouldn't hurt you very much, because fists are weak and slow, and it might knock her off her feet if she wasn't prepared. It would be like punching a very large man. But if she tensed up first and made herself hard, then it might break your wrist, depending on where you struck her. Cheekbone would be very different than a boob, for instance.
Same goes for flight, which is a conscious thing. Catching a surprise high-caliber round in the chest would send a Velorian flying backward and head over heels. It happens too fast for them to see and adjust to, and involves absorbing hundreds of foot-pounds of force. Given that flight is a conscious function that involves tensing of muscles to develop force (tensing muscles forces Orgone conversion in the cells of the body which generates free energy that can be directed). So getting shot with a canon would likely send them flying backward a hundred meters or more, or even through a wall or vehicle. That's many thousands or tens of thousands of foot-pounds. Unless they tensed their body and concentrated on making themselves rigid first, at which point she might not move more than few inches.
Human reaction time and perceptions can't be speeded up too much without suffering immense perceptual changes, which would be very disorienting. Think super slow-motion. Nobody wants to live that way. So reaction times are not much different than human. That limits their ability to move quickly.
The reason for all this was to allow Vels to pass as humans, even in very intimate settings. I tossed in the idea that a gold choker suppressed their thyroid gland which in turn controls Orgone metabolism. That reduces/prevents the metabolism of Orgone, which says that the powers of flight, super strength, heat vision, etc. are dampened to zero. But the fifth-order binding of the forcefield in their tissues remains unchanged, so other than a very slowly applied force of great power (think of getting hugged by Superman's full strength, very slowly), they are still invulnerable. Also that their muscles were made of two kinds of contractile strands -- normal ones that are at the upper end of human, powered by glucose as per normal, and a small number of other strands that respond only to Orgone energy and are vastly stronger. Without Orgone metabolism working, then you get normal strength.
The reason? Dealing with emotional and orgasmic physical reactions. Vels range from 200NHI to 4000NHI in strength (remember, 1 NHI is the strongest possible human male), so if you scale up everything you know about intimate female responses to orgasm and combine that with superstrength, then no human is going to survive such an encounter without some help from science. And given I wanted my Vels to be notoriously promiscuous (both culturally and given they are freed from any negative physical consequences for their behavior). How many healthy human females would change their behavior if there was zero risk of injury, disease, pregnancy, etc? Sexual mores (from a female perception) are often grounded in self-preservation.
Anyway, as anyone who tries to make sense out of comic book powers finds quickly, you have to invent a lot of pseudo-science to explain things. But it can be done in various ways that take powers out of the "magical" category and into the range of science.
The original comic writers didn't think this through very well, which then becomes our job when we try to bring "rational reality" into the picture.
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I'm ready to a sacrifice but to have all, I love lady justice !!!
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This had a good sence for the first half of existing in a world without a lot of continuity. i just liked how everyone involved seem legitmeatly shocked and suprised to see her and how does she exist at all, which is always kind of fun in comicbooks as it goes to the sence of actual awe and wonder in it more then a lot of hey "theres a superbattle at 3" type stories you often see particuarly in marvel. Even with her, that kind of worked and i liked how even she didn't seem to quite know what to do or respond to this.
That said yeah some of the kid stuff was a little silly, and yeah it could turn all into fan service pretty easily but The rommance stuff yeah felt a little generic but it wasn't horribly done
This isn't bad.
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Gliblord wrote: bato.to/read/_/323181/lady-justice_v1_ch1_by_fallen-angels/3 MY translation, if you're interested. My translation style is loose and strives more to preserve the spirit of what's being said as opposed to the letter
Any chance of you doing "Don't Meddle with my Daughter" as well?
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As for Don't Meddle With My Daughter, another group is doing that. For anyone interested, it's supergirls only basically pornographic. Also, the stupid "OH NO DON'T TOUCH ME THERE, TENTACLES!!" shit that's essentially peril. Though if you're down for, say, a supervillain who gets serviced by three smiling lady minions as she sits coolly on her throne, you could certainly do worse! (That's my idea of an empowered lady!)
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Caylane wrote: I just wana see it translated is all, since like its been almost two months since chapter 1 was translated.
There are links to both chapter 1 and 2 scanlations in this topic. But here they are again.
#1: bato.to/read/_/323012/lady-justice_ch1_by_based-anon-scans
#2: bato.to/read/_/323251/lady-justice_ch2_by_based-anon-scans
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ChaozCloud wrote:
Caylane wrote: I just wana see it translated is all, since like its been almost two months since chapter 1 was translated.
There are links to both chapter 1 and 2 scanlations in this topic. But here they are again.
#1: bato.to/read/_/323012/lady-justice_ch1_by_based-anon-scans
#2: bato.to/read/_/323251/lady-justice_ch2_by_based-anon-scans
Sorry, was talking about Don't Meddle With My Daughter
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Well, according to the scanlators it is awaiting editing pepperanon.blogspot.se/p/project-status.html . Dunno how long it has been in that status. But on the bright side it's neither dropped nor stalled.
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