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LaPorte Caves

13 Aug 2016 13:26 #49583 by twitch99
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So it's time for our monthly check in on this great story. I was so exited when I got the email on comments. Hoping a new chapter had been posted, but alas that was not the case.

I'm not surprised that Circes is having a hard time writing this next chapter. The story is at such a pivotal point, as Pepper noted, it can go in many directions.

I trust Circes will continue to take us on a wonderful ride. Take your time, we will try to be patient.:) :) :) :) :) :)
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15 Aug 2016 17:23 #49625 by circes_cup
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twitch99 wrote: So it's time for our monthly check in on this great story. I was so exited when I got the email on comments. Hoping a new chapter had been posted, but alas that was not the case.

I'm not surprised that Circes is having a hard time writing this next chapter. The story is at such a pivotal point, as Pepper noted, it can go in many directions.

I trust Circes will continue to take us on a wonderful ride. Take your time, we will try to be patient.:) :) :) :) :) :)


Still working on getting to a completion point with 12. I'm not there yet, but I'll get there in time. All I can say is, hang tight!

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20 Aug 2016 23:04 #49746 by Monty
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ballen wrote: As I read the comments that suggest Julia has somehow become corrupted by power and is treating Howard as a slave, I cannot help but think there is short / selective memory being displayed here. Howard absolutely defines his relationship with Julia by both is perceived greater deductive abilities and physical abilities. And now that Julia is the more able person in this world he is having severe problems coping.

Let's go back to Chapter 8 when Julia was quickly able to decipher the written language of this new world - something Howard was unable to do. What was his reaction? There was no, "that's great Julia. that will be helpful for us to navigate this stange world until we are able to leave ..." He stormed out of the room like a child.

Immediately after, she tried to extend an olive branch by engaging in something that could bring them together; swimming. The passage reads that she looked for a way to bring his confidence back up. Unfortunately the gesture failed. Why? Because of his pride. There was no, "You performed amazingly honey - phenomenal". In fact he understated her performance by saying, "Your pace was good." A reader commented that Howard was trying to build her into a better person. If there was a sincere effort on his part to do that, there would be no need to restrain compliments to his girlfriend. Why hold back? Tell her she is amazing. A confident man would do that. Further, how did he react when she continued to improve her already incredible performance? He struck her! He resorted to physical abuse. There was no taunting, no bating or any provocation on her part except for once in their relationship, she was more able than he, and that he could not tolerate. Thank goodness she was invulnerable.

Howard's reactions clearly demonstrate that this relationship only works for him when he is more able, both mentally and physically. Sure he encouraged her in their former world, but is behavior in this world suggests his encouragement was more likely patronizing and probably would be absent should she "ascend" to his level.

I could go on by discussing their interaction at the rock, but I want to turn to the latest chapter. Where Julia comes into her own and starts behaving like the superior being Ruth is encouraging her to embrace. I will say here, Julia did not exercise any tact or diplomacy when it came to her sexual behavior. She didn't have to tack in that direction but she did so in order to get Howard to hit her with the crowbar. In the end however it was a miscalculation because instead of her getting Howard to recognize she didn't need his protection, she instead only got him to see rage. The metaphor was lost if you will. I would make this point however. Howard was the first to transgress in his act with Amanda. Julia made him promise not to do anything with her, yet he succumbed. And not only that, but he admitted to her how wonderful the experience was. Frankly, neither one of them could have helped themselves. Women in this world are as unable to resist their sexual needs as the men are to resist women's pheromones.

One last quick point on tying Howard to a tree. Again could have been handled better, but definitely for his own good. It's like telling your 10 year old daughter not to go out at night for her own safety, except the 10 year old daughter would know better. Howard would roll out refusing to admit he is less able to defend himself in this world, than a 10 year old girl would be in his old world.

I want Julia to experience being independent and confident and let's see if Howard really can love Julia if he is not able one in the relationship. If so, then I think their relationship will become a deeper one.

And by the way, I thought this was superwomenmania.com? Why would we ever want the nourishment to wear off or the women to LOSE their powers?


Just reading back through La Porte Caves, and I really like this post about how Howard is annoyed and immature about the predicament HE finds himself in, whilst his true love Julia has the power to do as she pleases. I also spotted something in an earlier chapter when Julia tells Howard 'to keep his zip up away from these women or I will make you regret it for the rest of your life' Something he didn't do. Pay-back time with the tied-up steel bar? Great work Circes Cup!
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21 Aug 2016 06:59 #49751 by grungykitten
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To be fair, it isn't as if Howard had a choice in the matter, which Julia must surely realize.
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23 Aug 2016 18:34 - 23 Aug 2016 18:38 #49789 by Monty
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I hope Circes Cup doesn't mind!

How I would envisage a Fully Nourished 19 year old Mindy...

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24 Aug 2016 02:46 #49801 by circes_cup
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Monty wrote: I hope Circes Cup doesn't mind!

How I would envisage a Fully Nourished 19 year old Mindy...


No, I don't mind. You got the look right! She's formidable!

Sorry not to be more involved in the conversation but just trying to use the precious free minutes for writing the next few chapters.
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24 Aug 2016 12:26 #49814 by twitch99
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HI Monty,

What program did you use for this render?

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24 Aug 2016 12:50 - 24 Aug 2016 22:10 #49817 by Monty
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I found her on DA - I will try to go back and find the link.
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25 Aug 2016 04:24 - 25 Aug 2016 17:19 #49838 by Monty
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Found the link to Mindy. All credit due to Ironshaq.; and of course Circes Cup!

ironshaq.deviantart.com/art/Lucy-Pinder-...morph-2-V3-591749522
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26 Aug 2016 13:35 #49859 by twitch99
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Not sure of the protocol for posting pictures on this site. I dabble in DAZ3D and often create my interpretation of a favorite character from stories I really enjoy. Julia fits the bill.

Circes_cup, please let me know if this post is ok with you.

Here is Julia emerging from the ocean after the mermaid tail swim.

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27 Aug 2016 06:39 #49865 by circes_cup
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Fantastic to see that the story has inspired a bit of fan art. I think that's great. Please keep it coming!

Several of you asked about the protocols for posting images. I connected with two of the admins on the question. Following is our guidance:
  • --- If images are not your own work, they need to be attributed. If the the artist has prohibited reposting, that should be respected.

  • --- Photomanips of professional models are fine (for example, Monty used Lucy Pinder). But someone who is not a public figure, posting an Instagram of themselves in the gym, may not understand the consequences of putting their photo in the public domain. Out of respect for them, photomanips of these people should not be used.

  • --- Also, on photomanips, if she's under 18, or may be under 18, then don't post it in association with this story. Even if the photo itself is innocent, the story is not.

  • --- Nudity is ok. Explicit sex and gore are not. When posting nudity, please pace the image within a spoiler bar and mark it NSFW. Or do what twitch99 did, posting the thumbnail only.

  • --- The two images posted so far are coming from people that "get" the story. But if future postings become a complete deviation from the story, I may ask you to post it somewhere else.

Finally, I wanted to let you know that I have entered into a collaboration with another artist to provide some additional visual art for the story. We don't have anything to show yet, but at some point in the future, we will be embedding the images he produced into the story itself. Stay tuned.
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27 Aug 2016 06:48 #49866 by circes_cup
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twitch99 wrote: Not sure of the protocol for posting pictures on this site. I dabble in DAZ3D and often create my interpretation of a favorite character from stories I really enjoy. Julia fits the bill.

Circes_cup, please let me know if this post is ok with you.

Here is Julia emerging from the ocean after the mermaid tail swim.


This is great! She's got it all -- the brawn, the curves, the sweet face. And the setting is right on. Without her swimming fin, I wonder whether this is really her return from that swim vs. another of her bouts in the water. But that's a minor distinction. Great stuff -- thanks for sharing it!

Got any others?

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02 Sep 2016 15:20 #50029 by twitch99
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circes_cup wrote

This is great! She's got it all -- the brawn, the curves, the sweet face. And the setting is right on. Without her swimming fin, I wonder whether this is really her return from that swim vs. another of her bouts in the water. But that's a minor distinction. Great stuff -- thanks for sharing it!

Got any others?


Here is a close up of Julia on the beach and I found a mermaid tail to make it more accurate:) :) :)

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03 Sep 2016 08:57 #50045 by Sam+Norton
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twitch99 wrote:

circes_cup wrote

This is great! She's got it all -- the brawn, the curves, the sweet face. And the setting is right on. Without her swimming fin, I wonder whether this is really her return from that swim vs. another of her bouts in the water. But that's a minor distinction. Great stuff -- thanks for sharing it!

Got any others?


Here is a close up of Julia on the beach and I found a mermaid tail to make it more accurate:) :) :)

Wow! You're really good! Great job :)

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03 Sep 2016 13:27 #50047 by circes_cup
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Ch 12 will be posted whenever the admins approve it. I'm aiming for one chapter per week for the next few weeks. Hope you all enjoy.
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03 Sep 2016 21:59 #50050 by Woodclaw
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circes_cup wrote: Ch 12 will be posted whenever the admins approve it. I'm aiming for one chapter per week for the next few weeks. Hope you all enjoy.


Done and ready to read.

(formerly Anon, still Librarian)

"What is the point of having free will if one cannot occasionally spit in the eye of destiny?" ("Gentleman" John Marcone)
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04 Sep 2016 06:31 #50054 by jnw550
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Another amazing chapter!

Are we seeing the beginnings of Howard getting in line with the rest of the males in the new world? It's obvious there is still plenty of fight left in him; however, the language of the story has changed when describing her strength. I did love how matter-of-fact she was saying, "more than a hundred" and then casually showing him.

Of course, this is the first time we've seen Julia assert her will so strongly. Maybe it would be better if Julia simply moved on. She'd likely be happier.

I look forward to more!

Everyone wants to be a beast, until it's time to do what real beasts do.

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04 Sep 2016 06:48 - 04 Sep 2016 14:33 #50055 by AuGoose
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Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Only Julia no longer gets to claim stupidity as a cause for her actions so we're pretty much left with pure malice. The notion that someone who whose whole self-image revolves around seeing themselves as down-trodden can go on to so completely fail to have empathy for another person stuck in the equivalent of her own former straits (much less someone she professes to love!) rolls right on past sociopathic and out into psychotic narcissism.

Howard is right to be repulsed by her. It has nothing to do with her body and everything to do with the Nourishment revealing a petty and repugnant spirit.

At least her host may be able to teach her a little about being gracious. Coldly, calculatedly, manipulatively gracious, but still a step up from THIS.

Honestly, it's amazing how patient Howard is with her bullshit. Mostly out of pity I imagine, because plainly she's gone right out of her mind and he has noticed that fact. On the other hand he's not really articulate either, so he pays a price there. Because about 2 seconds after being bound up in steel I'd've been "Cute, Julia. You've got 10 seconds to get his off me... Or the only word that's going to come to mind for the rest of my life when I think back on this is 'unforgivable'." Because for me that wasn't teetering on the precipice, that shit had already gone well over and you'd have seconds to snatch it back from beyond the brink.

The moment I read the line... “With your man muscles?” She tried to restrain a giggle. ...The reply that snapped to my lips was "Yeah, I know right? I had to work on being fit for years and really it's just insignificant compared to all that strength you got from drinking a gallon of orange juice. It does make me wonder about the mythology and literature of this place. They must have had to bury the concept of 'power unearned' DEEP to validate the comical bullshit that goes on here..."

Julia had better pray the threat she perceives to the source of Nourishment doesn't require Howard's willing participation to set right. He'd be entirely within his rights to say, "Nah... Let this world burn." 'Cause at this stage Julia's done exactly nothing to earn her happy ending. I don't think he would carry out the threat, but he'd be equally within his rights to say "I'll do it for a trip home, guaranteed by somebody with actual integrity. No, not you Julia, I've got this weird ingrained distrust of junkies. Probably a character flaw of mine..." Because she's had a LOOONG free ride without being reminded of how badly the people closest to you can cut you. Impervious skin or no.

Heh. Maybe they just need a safe word. Or phrase. Something simple like: "Mean people suck, Julia."

Thought provoking as always :) (even if most of those thoughts are 'you're on DAMN thin ice, woman...' ;) )
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04 Sep 2016 20:51 #50072 by Pepper
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AuGoose wrote: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Only Julia no longer gets to claim stupidity as a cause for her actions so we're pretty much left with pure malice. The notion that someone who whose whole self-image revolves around seeing themselves as down-trodden can go on to so completely fail to have empathy for another person stuck in the equivalent of her own former straits (much less someone she professes to love!) rolls right on past sociopathic and out into psychotic narcissism.

I wouldn't go that far. Julia's not stupid, but while the Nourishment gives her some superhuman cognitive abilities (she could calculate pi to a million decimal places for all we know) there's no suggestion that it gives her wisdom, or empathy, or insight. She's never been in any position of authority or responsibility before. Now she's taking total control over Howard's life with no idea of how to handle it. And because Howard is so different from the other men in that world there's no one who can help her handle it, either.

In a sense, I've been trying to decide if Julia really loves Howard. She shows concern when she thinks she's hurting anyone else's feelings (the girl who asks to borrow Howard, the men gathering firewood at the beach, and especially Ruth), but inflicts suffering on Howard without a second thought. But then there are times when she does express concern for him, but her attempts to make it better are counterproductive or patronizing. She's better about it in this chapter than the one preceding, but it's still one-sided. She demands a promise from him that he won't run away (her words), and in return for that he gets what, exactly? What kind of treatment can he expect from her, what promises does she make to him, and what recourse is there if she decides to break them?

That said, it's difficult to say exactly what Julia is missing. She just doesn't seem to acknowledge that she's asking (demanding, in fact) Howard to make a sacrifice for her. There's no sense that she even realizes it. She thinks that because she finds this world to be wonderful and enjoyable that he should, too, and it's only his stubbornness (therefore his fault) that he doesn't see it. The thing is, it's okay to ask people you love to go through things like that for you, and if they love you they'll do it, but you have to have at least enough empathy to know that it's happening.

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05 Sep 2016 14:27 #50086 by circes_cup
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Thank you all for the comments, particularly your feedback on the impression Juila is making. I had not intended for her to trigger such strongly negative reactions.

I've decided to re-think the subsequent chapters yet again, and will probably reorganize them yet again. This is a discouraging moment for me, because the next section had already gone through a summer's worth of re-writes, which had been time consuming enough. But I've decided that more time is needed. The bright side is that I think it will produce a better story.

My promise of posting subsquent chapters over the coming weeks is no longer feasible. The Chapters will be ready when they are ready. I will not be providing updates on my progress, publicly or privately.

If you've volunteered to do a beta read, I appreciate the offer, have noted it, and will reach out to you if I want to do that.

Thanks again, guys.
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