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27 Nov 2017 13:46 #57314 by Woodclaw
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brantley wrote: Maybe a connection to the origin of Velorian system, sayeth Shadar.

www.livescience.com/60701-ligo-neutron-s...avy-metals-gold.html

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My concept of the Supremis coming from gold-cored planets has sometimes been criticized as beyond even the plausibility of even the SF/Fantasy genre I enjoy. My only excuse has been that "it seemed like a good idea at the moment".

Well, now scientists have observed two neutron stars colliding and producing lots and lots of heavy metals, including probably enough gold to make a couple of planets. The scientific thinking for some time has been that all the heavy metals (which are obviously extremely neutron rich) in the universe came from neutron star collisions as nothing else we knew about could explain it. Now, finally, the radiation from such a collision has been observed in enough spectra to say with confidence that is how it works.

As usual, wait long enough, and even some of the most ridiculous SF ideas become validated.

(I'm eagerly awaiting FTL travel, but am not holding my breath, thank you Mr. Einstein, party pooper.)

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For me, the problem reside more with the fact that from many description it felt like Velor had solid gold core, hence the idea of a planet with a core made up around an enormous quantity of a single element, rather than an alloy of elements. Granted this is one of those artistic licenses that I'm more than willing to pass, since it serves the purpose of the story.

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27 Nov 2017 13:48 #57315 by brantley
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Maybe it didn't sink as far on Velor. And maybe gold accounted for a far higher share than average of the heavy metals produced in the particular collision in that vicinity. I suppose we can add a bit the doubletalk of AU history,

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27 Nov 2017 17:40 - 27 Nov 2017 17:51 #57321 by shadar
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brantley wrote: Maybe it didn't sink as far on Velor. And maybe gold accounted for a far higher share than average of the heavy metals produced in the particular collision in that vicinity. I suppose we can add a bit the doubletalk of AU history,

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The reality of the original concept and later rationalizations are (as if often the case) very different.

The thought behind it was:

1) For plot reasons, I needed a control mechanism to keep people who could fly trapped on their home planet. The Galen were bio-engineering humans for a purpose. You don't just make superbeings and then let them all fly away.

2) I needed to depower Velorians at times when interacting with humans as ramping up female strength by a few thousand times presents certain rather obvious problems for intimate relationships. And most of my stories are told from the perspective of an ordinary human male.

3) I REALLY like the way gold chokers look on tall, blonde women.

#3 solely accounts for the use of gold as the control mechanism. Certainly not science.

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27 Nov 2017 18:25 #57322 by brantley
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Agree with your points,

As for plausibility -- hey, we do better than Dan Brown!

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30 Nov 2017 12:30 #57389 by brantley
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By the way, who's your latest model?

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01 Dec 2017 03:13 - 01 Dec 2017 03:55 #57415 by brantley
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Yahoo has blocked access to the Aurora Universe Readers Group and other groups, at least for me, and they don't have a phone number or e-mail for customer service, Any way to reach them?

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01 Dec 2017 15:09 #57429 by brantley
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From Shadar:

<<Seems to be widespread… lots of people complaining all over the place. Yahoo is saying nothing. Who knows if they care, or are even doing anything.

Perhaps Yahoo’s final destruction is at hand? It’s been going the way of AOL for a long time. Slow death in silence and darkness with a smaller and smaller group of older, unhappy users.

There are far superior tools available elsewhere, Facebook being just one, I suppose. I’m not really much of a social media user.>>

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01 Dec 2017 17:47 #57436 by brantley
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Just tried reporting the problem to WIRED magazine. Can't hurt, might even get some action.

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01 Dec 2017 20:06 #57440 by shadar
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I think the biggest problem is that the part of Yahoo that Verizon recently bought (as part of their plan to combine it with AOL) includes the Yahoo Groups that Brantley is talking about.

Verizon/Yahoo is this murky thing that nobody seems to know how to reach, but Verizon claims it's going to turn it all into something called Oath. But no one outside of the high mucky mucks at Verizon seem to know what means.

More interesting, Yahoo Groups is considered a pre-social media "rusted on" service that was not any part of the reason Verizon bought the internet resources of Yahoo. And the piece of Yahoo that Verizon bought has suffered a talent drain.

How much does Verizon/Yahoo want to spend to support an antiquated service that's likely not part of their forward-looking business plan -- which they currently provide for free? Yeah... probably not much.

Not a hopeful outlook, I'm afraid.

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01 Dec 2017 21:33 #57442 by brantley
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The AURG has returned as mysteriously as it disappeared. But we may still want to have alternatives in reserve...

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01 Dec 2017 21:57 - 01 Dec 2017 21:59 #57444 by brantley
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Following up on that...

Yesterday afternoon, the powers-that-be at Yahoo blocked AURG and other groups, posting an error message. Now it's back, but for how long? Shadar has reported personally and at SWM that Verizon, having bought out such Yahoo operations in hopes of merging them with AOL, may decide to let them die as too old-fashioned in the age of social media like Facebook. 

We may thus want to have an alternative forum in reserve. One would be an inactive Google group  created during the dark days of early 2003, when Shadar took a walk and took down the old AURG (It was revived by Ed Howdershelt as the Abintra Universe Readers Group; when peace returned, the new AURG was given the old one's name.) No further activity until I posted twice in 2014 -- can't recall why, but this may have kept it alive. 

Shadar has found another possibility: “I’ve read several places that this place (  groups.io  ) works a lot like Yahoo Groups and even has an import feature, assuming Yahoo Groups ever come back up.”

The Yahoo Groups have come back up. But can we trust whoever is in charge to keep them up? We really need to discuss this.

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01 Dec 2017 22:39 #57445 by brantley
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Posted too soon. Now I get just a blank page at the AURG link, Could be just a huge traffic surge, but....

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01 Dec 2017 23:08 #57447 by fats
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if you are really desperate for a forum, get yourself some cheap hosting, a copy of either SMF or phpBB and you have yourself a forum.

some hosts will even set up the forum for you.

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02 Dec 2017 01:38 #57449 by brantley
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AURG back for the second time as of 8:30 p,m. EST. Are we in for a vicious circle from Yahoo/Verizon?

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15 Dec 2017 22:34 - 15 Dec 2017 23:12 #57739 by brantley
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www.brightempire.com/Empress-3.pdf

I've been editing Empress of the Dawn III for some months now. But during the
past few days I've come up with a new approach for the run-up to the Battle of the Triple Moons, focusing on a new secret Kalla has learned that could undermine the essential morale of the Androsians if it got out. And this leads her to ponder the true meaning of her role, and what part that may play in the greater scheme of things. The story has also been restructured in other ways, including an account of the sacrifices made by generations of those who train for the war, never knowing whether it will come during their lifetimes.

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21 Dec 2017 11:39 - 21 Dec 2017 12:41 #57793 by brantley
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It promises to be a day of triumph for Vespyr T'alesta in the Winter Solstice update to First Protector Two, but things don't go entirely to plan in her debut as First Protector – at least, not as she understood the plan. That's how it can be, dealing with the Galen and their agents and their penchant for creating legends: the end justifies the means. But fear not; Vespyr has a new ally, and together they will find a way to bring her own vision of her mission into being. Perhaps that was even Aphro'dite's intention all along, devious as she may seem... I've had to tweak the final scene several times, trying to get it right on more than one level.

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25 Dec 2017 23:53 - 25 Dec 2017 23:55 #57857 by brantley
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www.brightempire.com/Empress-3.pdf

It's a given that Vespyr and Alexios will become an Item. And not just for sex. You'll recall that in Empress 3, Alexios had been talking about "cosmognosis." Vespyr knows nothing about that, but she's been thinking about the whole new relationship of Velor to other worlds and history, beyond her personal role as a Protector. So they'll be people of words as well as action. But I don't want the story to get bogged down in talk.

On the other hand, it's hard to get beyond the clichés of supremis sex; Shadar has warmed to the idea of them freaking out the Aureans by fucking while being attacked with a GAR, but that's just one scene. Should it be held for her return to Tazzi, or should it perhaps take place on some other world -- like the one where the Aureans took the Garzarollis after rescuing them from Himmelsreich after the commoner revolutiion? If so, I have to figure out how he and she find it. Only maybe the Aureans will have retaken or be trying to retake Himmelsreich (Now Freiwelt). Word would have reached Trpcic, and people there would be alarmed and anxious for Vespyr and Alexios to intervene, and give directions or lend a ship.

Any other ideas?

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26 Dec 2017 06:00 #57862 by shadar
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brantley wrote: www.brightempire.com/First-2.pdf

www.brightempire.com/Empress-3.pdf

It's a given that Vespyr and Alexios will become an Item. And not just for sex. You'll recall that in Empress 3, Alexios had been talking about "cosmognosis." Vespyr knows nothing about that, but she's been thinking about the whole new relationship of Velor to other worlds and history, beyond her personal role as a Protector. So they'll be people of words as well as action. But I don't want the story to get bogged down in talk.

On the other hand, it's hard to get beyond the clichés of supremis sex; Shadar has warmed to the idea of them freaking out the Aureans by fucking while being attacked with a GAR, but that's just one scene. Should it be held for her return to Tazzi, or should it perhaps take place on some other world -- like the one where the Aureans took the Garzarollis after rescuing them from Himmelsreich after the commoner revolutiion? If so, I have to figure out how he and she find it. Only maybe the Aureans will have retaken or be trying to retake Himmelsreich (Now Freiwelt). Word would have reached Trpcic, and people there would be alarmed and anxious for Vespyr and Alexios to intervene, and give directions or lend a ship.

Any other ideas?

--Brantley



I think that, among other things, you need to rehabilitate the public view of Velorians. Up to this point, the general public in the AU-verse know Velorians as Companions, which in most people's eyes is a disreputable business at best, and disgusting at its worst.

The Scalantrans took beautiful teenage girls (who gained super-powers after leaving Velor) and sold them off to rich men for 7-figure sums to serve them in all the ways such men could imagine, many of which were perverse.. The Companions period of indentured servitude lasted 99 years, and they were handed down like heirlooms from one generation of men to the next. The Scalantrans were basically pimping them.

Now we've got the first Protector, and she's a different creature. Much more powerful and tougher, with all her abilities amplified greatly, but she's no longer some kind of super-harlot, she's someone who can protect entire planets. Wealthy men can't buy her, in fact, Velor doesn't exact any fee for dedicating Protectors to care for a planet. Instead, this is how they push back the Arion Empire, which was on the verge of being able to conquer known space.

Now Velorians are superheroines, not concubines. They don't work for anyone but the Enlightenment, and their goal is to win and maintain the peace. They are honorable and incorruptible. Or at least, that's what they become.

Your story is set on Day One of the emergence of Protectors and the power (Aphrodite) who creates them, starting with the best genetics that Velor can offer.

I think any story has to explore (and celebrate) what makes them different than the Companions, both physically and also their role in society, which completely changes. Instead of the Companions being victims (who despite that have done great work on some planets, something most people in the 'Verse don't know), they are now a beacon of goodness and truth and peacekeepers. The role change is even more immense than their change in abilities, so the early stories about Protectors needs to deal with that.

Also, the Arions, who were positioned to conquer the known galaxy, are suddenly on the defensive. Large, militant, galactic-grade Empires don't deal iwth such changes nicely. They will do everything in their power to defeat this new role for Velor. They are going to be coming after the first Protectors with everything they'd got.

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26 Dec 2017 15:16 - 26 Dec 2017 15:18 #57867 by brantley
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We actually had stories about Protectors before we had stories about Companions -- and the latter were actually your idea. Kalla ends up doing well for herself in the Empress series, but she had bad times with Jayar and worse with Kyros in the second installment:

www.brightempire.com/Empress-2.pdf

Some 75 people clicked on Empress II yesterday, after I linked to it here. So readers are definitely interested. And there have been occasional references there to Companions who were exploited on worlds other than Andros -- one became an outlaw on Myrce, and another committed suicide because she could no longer live with what was required of her on Ulakinil:

<<I ask all of you of the High Council… is this our “high purpose” as Companions… to be robbers and murderers as well as lovers? Am I the only Companion being placed in such an intolerable situation? Does the High Council know anything of life on seeded worlds? Does it have the slightest awareness of what happens to us after we are sold? I may have no right to appeal to you, but I know that I am right to try. Having told you my story, I shall trust the Scalantrans to deliver it, and as soon as they depart, I shall slay Rasasingan – and then dive into the sun. I know that I could soon live free, but I cannot live with myself. So be it.>>

Maybe I can work another example in to First Protector.

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26 Dec 2017 16:46 - 26 Dec 2017 16:59 #57869 by shadar
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brantley wrote: We actually had stories about Protectors before we had stories about Companions -- and the latter were actually your idea. Kalla ends up doing well for herself in the Empress series, but she had bad times with Jayar and worse with Kyros in the second installment:

www.brightempire.com/Empress-2.pdf

Some 75 people clicked on Empress II yesterday, after I linked to it here. So readers are definitely interested. And there have been occasional references there to Companions who were exploited on worlds other than Andros -- one became an outlaw on Myrce, and another committed suicide because she could no longer live with what was required of her on Ulakinil:

<<I ask all of you of the High Council… is this our “high purpose” as Companions… to be robbers and murderers as well as lovers? Am I the only Companion being placed in such an intolerable situation? Does the High Council know anything of life on seeded worlds? Does it have the slightest awareness of what happens to us after we are sold? I may have no right to appeal to you, but I know that I am right to try. Having told you my story, I shall trust the Scalantrans to deliver it, and as soon as they depart, I shall slay Rasasingan – and then dive into the sun. I know that I could soon live free, but I cannot live with myself. So be it.>>

Maybe I can work another example in to First Protector.

--Brantley


I wasn’t being critical about Companions, and yes, they are my creation. They were designed to be despicable but also desirable, and as various stories have unfolded, also honorable (well, a few of them anyway). Others remain brainless super-whores. And we have lots of stories about Protectors after they were fully developed as a group. There are also very early and now non-canonical stories from the early 90’s about a “Protector”.

Now these exploited "sex slaves" are transforming into beautiful butterflies that will save everyone. That's very dramatic.

But I was thinking along the line of exploring how Velor heals from this exploitive period (and lose their sole source of external income) and the Scalantrans lose a valuable trade good and the ways the many worlds that know about Companions are now going to learn about Protectors. My later thoughts about Companions were strongly influenced by Inara from Firefly, imagining how someone with her temperament and emotional intelligence would act if she had hundreds of times the strength of the other members of the Firefly crew, yet who hides that power from her well-heeled clients, who are generally the richest men on any given planet. The honorable whore who saves not only the crew, but the dispossessed and poor on those rougher outer planets. Protecting them in many cases from her own clients, who she learns enough about to stop them.

But more importantly in this context, how the Arions react. They won’t accept this change in power that defeats both their vaunted Primes (rare as they are) and their new weapon systems. I see them moving against Velor and against Aphrodite once rumors reach them (as they will) of strange and threatening events on Velor.

At this point there must be many hundreds or even thousands of Companions out there. What happens to them when the Arions go on a rampage trying to kill them all as they try to preserve the military superiority of their Empire? They certainly don't want Companions turned into Protectors. (Nor, I expect, do most Companions want to become Planetary Protectors, given their attitudes and lack of training and preparation for the role).

Anyway, you asked for ideas. These are mine.

Shadar
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