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21 Nov 2006 19:39 #7378 by lfan
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I took the "smaller" fork in the road, as I was on my salad course....

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The most fascinating part of life is conversing with people who don't believe what we believe. Who see things in a completely different light. The most boring thing on Earth is to talk with someone who agrees with me on most things.

The only sin is when someone's beliefs and opinions are not well considered (as in, the ideas were accepted without their personally challenging them). Which is my beef with many religious fundamentalists of all faiths.

So back on topic, chaos or order, entropy or divine intervention to prevent entropy, its all fascinating. If you allow for the possibility of spirituality, then physical laws don't completely describe the universe or people's behavior.

In essence, that's the real fork in the philosophical road. You can take a few steps forward with a foot on each road, but as they diverge, it starts to hurt pretty fast.

Road One: If god exists, then physical laws are limited and changeable and the human soul is nth dimensional and impossible to fully define. Road Two: If he doesn't, then everything ultimately has a mathematical expression per existing physical laws, albeit an arbitrarily complex one.

The ever diverging landscape that exists between those two roads is full of briars and other sticky subjects. I say, pick one of the two paths and don't wander through the briar patches. Either road can be very interesting to travel on, they both have many smaller forks and they all go a very long way over the horizon, so you'll never get bored as long as you keep your brain engaged.

But don't forget which original fork in the road you took.

Personally, I took the fork that said god doesn't exist. Many of my favorite people took the other fork. We talk about hidden pathways that may exist through the briar patch that seperates the roads, which is interesting stuff. It's fun to wander through the wilderness, even to get lost for a while. But I always know when my feet return to the paved road.

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21 Nov 2006 21:57 #7382 by brantley
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In ANIMAL HOUSE, it was "Food Fight!"

Here it's starting to look like "Faith Fight!"

As for Order vs. Chaos, I'll say only that much if not most of the chaos in human history stems from people trying to impose some arbitrary kind of "order." Wars started as just organized plunder, but nowadays the only people who profit from wars are corrupt military contractors. Certainly nobody else is making big bucks in Iraq. But the Bush administration, the Shiites and the Sunnis are all for Order, no matter how much they are in fact creating Chaos.

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22 Nov 2006 01:17 #7384 by WhitePaw
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Wow. My posts usually just gather dust. THAT was a bumper crop of replies. But seriously folks, you gotta realize that I'm totally laughing up my sleeve between sentences here, and sometimes during. My humor's never been politically correct. Y'all should know that by now.

If you want to actually take me seriously you're going to need a Bible with a good concordinance, or a restraining order, or both.

Preferably both.

Until then, if religion doesn't make you break out in uncontrollable giggles, I don't think you've ever really met the True God.

And yeah, physics is hilarious too. Don't you get it?

But the biggest joke of all is just plain human behavior. It's absolutely ridiculous. How can it NOT be related governed by both one's beliefs and physics?

Just don't get caught in any punchlines. Gravity's a real downer.

Say cheese.

Cheers by faith,
-Paw.

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22 Nov 2006 02:18 #7385 by YAGS
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Yeah, I was catching up on the replies to this thread and wondering why so many people seemed to take offense to WhitePaw's comments. I don't take WhitePaw seriously enough to be offended. :P But then, I never get offended by religious disagreements. People who get offended by differing viewpoints just scare me.

For that matter, I don't even see how WhitePaw's original post contradicted anyone's religious beliefs. If you believe in any god, then WhitePaw seems to be saying that the Earth is a closed system, and only an outside force (something spiritual perhaps?) can reduce the entropy. I don't see how that would disagree with the Christian Bible or any other major religion.

YAGS

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22 Nov 2006 02:57 #7387 by argonaut
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Alrighty, fine. Looking for Unbreakable Laws: "The total entropy of a closed system may only remain the same or increase."--Newton.

-Paw.


Not Newton -- Clausius.

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22 Nov 2006 15:10 #7388 by lfan
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Clausius was the guy with the red and white suit, kinda portly, lived up North?



Alrighty, fine. Looking for Unbreakable Laws: "The total entropy of a closed system may only remain the same or increase."--Newton.

-Paw.


Not Newton -- Clausius.

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23 Nov 2006 01:17 #7390 by argonaut
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We haven't been playing the Quote Game for a while, but Lfan's post put me in mind of this bit of dialogue:

"Oh, that's in every contract. It's what they call a sanity clause."

"Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Santy Claus."

What classic movie is that from? ( Too easy ... )

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23 Nov 2006 01:48 #7391 by Albais
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Disney's "The Santa Clause" with Tim Allen...

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23 Nov 2006 02:34 #7392 by ace191
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I will go with miracle on 34 th street.

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23 Nov 2006 02:43 #7393 by ace191
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Clausius, Carnot and Lord Kelvin were the "Kings" of 1800's thermodynamics. Spured by the industrial revolution, steam was king and led to great interest in steam engines and the physcial laws that governed them.

Newton was one sharp math guy from the 1600's

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23 Nov 2006 02:52 #7394 by argonaut
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I will go with miracle on 34 th street.


Hmmm ... maybe the question isn't as easy as I thought.

I haven't seen The Santa Clause -- If the writers used that gag, they swiped it from an older movie ... not Miracle on 34th Steeet (or any other Christmas-themed movie, for that matter).

Sorry, Albais and Ace -- neither of you gets any marks for your answer ... :wink:

Where's Brantley? I bet he knows.

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23 Nov 2006 03:12 #7395 by ace191
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Stalog 17?

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23 Nov 2006 03:22 #7396 by argonaut
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Nope. (Good movie, though.)

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23 Nov 2006 05:27 #7397 by YAGS
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We haven't been playing the Quote Game for a while, but Lfan's post put me in mind of this bit of dialogue:

"Oh, that's in every contract. It's what they call a sanity clause."

"Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Santy Claus."

What classic movie is that from? ( Too easy ... )

I know I've heard this before. Sounds like something by the Three Stooges, but I don't think that's it.

YAGS

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23 Nov 2006 13:48 #7398 by argonaut
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Not the Three Stooges, but you're getting closer.

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23 Nov 2006 18:04 #7400 by ace191
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I keep thinking that this is 30's or 40's line. Sounds like something that Groucho Marx would say in a a dialog with his brother. Let's try Captain Spaudling.

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23 Nov 2006 18:11 #7401 by ace191
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Can't you just hear Groucho Setting up Chico on this one?

I bet a quick internet search of their movies would solve it, but I will resist the temptaion and see if anyone else can get it.

For the life of me, I can't recall any of their movie titles, or even which one Captain Spaulding was in.

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23 Nov 2006 19:31 #7402 by Albais
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A Night At The Opera? The hilarious contract scene...

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24 Nov 2006 03:20 #7404 by argonaut
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That's it. I was starting to wonder if I'm the only Marx Brothers aficionado hereabouts.

Groucho and Chico are negotiating a contract and wind up tearing out every clause (including the "sanity clause") until all that's left is a scrap of paper approximately the size of a postage stamp.

Captain Spaulding is Groucho's character in Animal Crackers. ("One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How it got into my pajmas I'll never know. Then I tried to remove the tusks, but they were so tight I couldn't budge them. Of course, in Alabama the Tuscaloosa ...")

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26 Nov 2006 01:40 #7420 by brantley
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A NIGHT AT THE OPERA.

"Hey, how come my contract's shorter than your contract?"

"You must have been out on a tear last night."

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