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Variety: Supergirl may switch to CW on renewal

18 May 2016 16:00 #47937 by Markiehoe

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18 May 2016 16:08 #47938 by lfan

Markiehoe wrote: My head hurts now.

deadline.com/2016/05/supergirl-stay-cbs-...p-the-cw-1201758715/


Looks like it wasn't on "life support", as much as some people wanted to believe....

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19 May 2016 00:33 #47963 by Brad2
No, that'll be if and when season 2 sucks as hard as season 1 did. The writers (especially that idiot Kreisberg) seem oblivious to the idea that it needs to get A LOT better in terms of storylines and character development (especially Supergirl's).

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19 May 2016 01:46 - 19 May 2016 02:07 #47965 by shadar

Brad2 wrote: No, that'll be if and when season 2 sucks as hard as season 1 did. The writers (especially that idiot Kreisberg) seem oblivious to the idea that it needs to get A LOT better in terms of storylines and character development (especially Supergirl's).


Shows like Supergirl, where a portion of the audience has been waiting forever to see, has a built-in tolerance in Season 1. Some people (like me) are just happy its on TV at all. Special effects are, well, Special. This allows the show to muddle around a bit in Season 1 and survive.

In Season 2, however, viewers are familiar with the characters and all their strengths, limitations, personality twists, relationship opportunities, etc. They've gotten used to the special effects, etc. Now they want to see the themes that have been intorduce explored with greater detail and competence. Season 2 should focus on the internal stories of the now familiar characters.

Season 2 can't just hammer a different supervillain into the scene every weak and have them beat up on Supergirl until she decides to fight back (with help) to kick their asses.

Now the writing has to go inside, and be interlinked, with an extended story line.

Season 1 started with Fort Rozz villains running amok, and it ended with the destruction and death of (presumably) everyone in Fort Rozz. All tied up in a bow, but far too crudely. They lost their way several times during the season.

But, at the end, relationships are moving forward, Kara and Alexa's parents are going to feature heavily in the story, and then there's the new Pod. This time they have to keep a central plot line running from end to end. Have as many subplots as they want, but move the main plot line forward every week. Essential.

They didn't live by that rule in Season 1, but that won't be tolerable going forward if they want a Season 3.

I'm putting on all my money on the Pod containing either a young Kryptonian male (who will be James's competitor for Kara affections, and won't be infringing on movie and TV licensing agreements), or it'll be Kara Zor El from the Earth 2 universe. Could be fun either way, but I lean strongly toward hoping Cat gets to invent a name for another superheroine. Powergirl.

Or so I see it...
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19 May 2016 01:58 #47968 by shadar
One other point on Season 2... I wonder if they can save money on special effects scenes by doing fewer of them, but doing at least one per week at very high quality. I'd consider that a good tradeoff for saving a few bucks.

Presumably the show will need to reduce its costs to that of other CW shows unless they really feel it will bring in more viewers (ad revenue) than Flash, et.al.

Does anyone have easy access to numbers comparing the number of Flash viewers to Supergirl viewers?

I presume in general CBS has many more viewers than CW, but they also have a lot more shows, but none of them in the same genre as Supergirl. That's not what CBS is normally all about.

In contrast, CW has broad offerings in the genre. So we've got a dedicated genre viewership on CW, but its much smaller than the overall viewing audience on CBS. Dedication versus mass audience. Not sure how that plays out.

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19 May 2016 03:23 #47972 by Brad2
I agree for the most part, but I feel compelled to point out that Supergirl is the main character. All others (James, Winn, Alex, Hank) are DISTANT supporting characters. I also feel compelled to point out that there's often a reason people wanted to see a Supergirl show: to see a girl power show with a capable heroine. This WAS NOT shown for the most part in season 1. This is important to plotline because, if it gets out that Supergirl couldn't save the day without Hank or Alex helping and saving her, then people might lose faith in her ability to keep them safe.

As for extended storyline, I have to wonder. Many two part story arcs (episodes 6 and 7 or 8 and 9) could easily have been done in one episode. Having 22 episodes in a season seems like it would give them more room to take three or four episodes to tell a story that should take one. In that I think that having a variety of villains (and not focusing an entire season on only one storyline) was a strength, not a weakness of season 1. A lot of the stronger stories of season 1 had the heroine facing and defeating a villain over the course of one episode. The weak points came in character development over the course of a season (why was Supergirl able to defeat Livewire in episode 5, but not in episode 18, for instance).

I would also note that I DO NOT WANT to see another "We're a team" show that features Supergirl mostly as part of the DEO team rather than as one able to work either with the DEO or by herself. This was why I reacted so strongly against the Kreisberg interviews in another thread.

I do have to wonder if people would support the show if the content often shown(heroine getting her ass kicked and bailed out by others) were featured by someone else (such as on a peril Supergirl video). Hate to think people are supporting the show because its a Supergirl show and don't care about the content.

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19 May 2016 11:39 #47981 by shadar

Brad2 wrote: Hate to think people are supporting the show because its a Supergirl show and don't care about the content.


I think there was some of that in Season 1. I know I bounced off the walls a few times with the poor writing, but the fact that is was Supergirl held me as a viewer. And I've come to really like Melissa as the actress in the role. But any other show would have lost me.

But here's hoping the writing can stand on its own two feet in Season 2. They have enough of a restart on everything in season two that, with the right talent, it can.

Also, some of us are going to get some vicarious thrills from James' (likely) physical relationship with Kara in Season 2. I mean, how many of us have imagined, either in stories or in private, what it would be like to have Supergirl as a girlfriend. The possibilities. The challenges. The rewards. The dangers. All in the context of the dynamics of family and friends who circle Kara now.

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19 May 2016 11:54 #47983 by Markiehoe
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Star Trek: The Next Generation and Babylon 5 are two examples of shows with rough, uneven first seasons that grew into something special.
With a smaller budget I am hoping that talent will win out and we can get a great show.

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19 May 2016 12:37 - 19 May 2016 13:29 #47986 by five_red
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Forbes: The CW Doesn't Care About Live Views Because The CW Doesn't Have Major Stake In Its Programming

On the subject of cost and ratings: because CW owns the shows it screens, it doesn't have to pay a license fee to itself to screen them. But... WB also has the luxury of using its CW network as a shop window to showcase shows that will make future revenue in syndicated or overseas sales once they reach the magic 88 episodes that make them attractive. The economic models are different. For CBS, Supergirl has to get ratings to make money to cover its WB license payment, because CBS has no other major profit stream from Supergirl except ratings. For WB owned CW, however, Supergirl can afford to run at a slight loss while it builds a reputation and episode count that will profit WB in the long-term when the show is sold over coming decades into the re-runs market and on-demand market.

There's been a lot of ideas for season two floating around on this thread. Can I remind people it's not too late to submit a letter to the producers. Also, let me point you in the direction of a little experiment of mine: Experimental ideas crowd sourcer .

EDIT: TVLine is reporting that it's Mondays at 8pm for Supergirl on CW.


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19 May 2016 16:45 #47992 by andyf
In a strange twist of fate, Supergirl is still airing on Mon and it serves as a lead in for Jane the Virgin. You know who is one of Jane's exuetive producres? None other than Ben Silverman, who was NBC' former entertainment chief, who played a big role in destroying broadcast TV's last superwoman drama, Bionic Woman back in 2007.

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19 May 2016 16:50 #47993 by lfan
Some outlets reporting that Calista Flockhart's deal is being negotiated, and there's a possibility she may not return.

supergirl.newsaboutanything.com

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19 May 2016 16:57 #47995 by andyf
Heard that, too. I wonder how all the people who cheered that the show was moving to Vancouver must feel now?

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19 May 2016 16:58 - 19 May 2016 16:59 #47996 by lfan

andyf wrote: In a strange twist of fate, Supergirl is still airing on Mon and it serves as a lead in for Jane the Virgin. You know who is one of Jane's exuetive producres? None other than Ben Silverman, who was NBC' former entertainment chief, who played a big role in destroying broadcast TV's last superwoman drama, Bionic Woman back in 2007.


I would have played this differently. Again, she's in a difficult time slot up against the likes of MNF, WWF Raw, DWTS, Gotham, and the Voice. Granted, her numbers bar won't be set as high at CW as it was for CBS, but still not a great tactical move IMO.

CW seems to like the approach of scattering their DC properties over multiple nights. I would think they'd do 1-2 "superhero nights" and broadcast 2 of them back-to-back. As a comic fan, it's hard to dedicate 4 nights a week to watch these, so DVRing is inevitable. Like Red5 said, live ratings probably isn't as important to CW since they'll make it up when they "strip them" once they hit the 4 season mark.

Still, I think Flash and Supergirl are both ideal lead-ins (and lighter for the kiddies) at the 8:00 slot and could usher in Arrow and LoT at 9:00. I think they'd play off each other well.

Maybe JtheV is a good compliment (I don't know, as I've never seen it), but it doesn't appear at first glance to make me think "Wow, that's a smart choice!"

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19 May 2016 17:03 #47997 by shadar

andyf wrote: Heard that, too. I wonder how all the people who cheered that the show was moving to Vancouver must feel now?


I read somewhere that they delayed the decision/announcement of the move to Vancouver for a few days after the decision to go to CW so they could sort this out with the actors.

That sounded encouraging. This does not.

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19 May 2016 19:36 #48003 by murdough
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They're not wasting any time on continuing to connect Supergirl with the other three DC shows the CW already have. This was just announced

www.ew.com/article/2016/05/19/cw-crossov...s-tomorrow-supergirl

It ought to be interesting to see how Kara does in this.
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19 May 2016 19:38 #48004 by lfan

murdough wrote: They're not wasting any time on continuing to connect Supergirl with the other three DC shows the CW already have. This was just announced

www.ew.com/article/2016/05/19/cw-crossov...s-tomorrow-supergirl

It ought to be interesting to see how Kara does in this.


Or with the early promos.....



Good to see the CW embracing her arrival so far!

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19 May 2016 23:56 #48010 by Brad2
OK. This one's on crossovers. I recall seeing a thread here (on this site) on how one of the CW shows would get a Powergirl type character (this was before Supergirl was confirmed to be on the CW). Given that fact, and that Powergirl is basically an older version of Supergirl, I don't see the need for a crossover between the Supergirl show and another show that already has a Powergirl character.

Seems a bit redundant. Seems very much like they're saying "Yay! Lets do crossovers for the sake of crossovers, and who the hell cares if there's any real need for them or not!" This doesn't bode well, and demands an explanation from those who were saying "Having all the writers in the same spot should improve the writing".

Why would they need a crossover episode where Supergirl appears on a show that already has Powergirl? Oh, and when I asking this question, I mean why would they do it storyline-wise? I know they might do it as a way to boost ratings/viewership if one of the show's viewership is tanking. (By that logic, they'd need to do A LOT of crossover episodes if Supergirl's writing doesn't improve from what it was in season 1).

I'm also curious about the fourth CW show. I know there's Supergirl, Arrow, and the Flash, and that all three revolve around their main characters (supposedly), but I don't know much about what the fourth one is about.

Thoughts?

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20 May 2016 02:31 #48016 by murdough
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Brad2 wrote: OK. This one's on crossovers. I recall seeing a thread here (on this site) on how one of the CW shows would get a Powergirl type character (this was before Supergirl was confirmed to be on the CW). Given that fact, and that Powergirl is basically an older version of Supergirl, I don't see the need for a crossover between the Supergirl show and another show that already has a Powergirl character.

Seems a bit redundant. Seems very much like they're saying "Yay! Lets do crossovers for the sake of crossovers, and who the hell cares if there's any real need for them or not!" This doesn't bode well, and demands an explanation from those who were saying "Having all the writers in the same spot should improve the writing".

Why would they need a crossover episode where Supergirl appears on a show that already has Powergirl? Oh, and when I asking this question, I mean why would they do it storyline-wise? I know they might do it as a way to boost ratings/viewership if one of the show's viewership is tanking. (By that logic, they'd need to do A LOT of crossover episodes if Supergirl's writing doesn't improve from what it was in season 1).

I'm also curious about the fourth CW show. I know there's Supergirl, Arrow, and the Flash, and that all three revolve around their main characters (supposedly), but I don't know much about what the fourth one is about.

Thoughts?


The fourth show is DC's Legends of Tomorrow. It's a team show featuring supporting characters from Arrow and the Flash (White Canary, the Atom, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Firestorm, Captain Cold, and Heat Wave). They were brought together by a time traveler named Rip Hunter to stop an immortal psychopath named Vandal Savage from conquering the world in the year 2166 by traveling through time in an attempt to take him out before he gained enough power to achieve his goal. The season finale was actually this evening, and it tied up the first season's arc and set the stage for next year. For the most part, it was pretty good, with Captain Cold being one of the ensemble's standouts and as a DC fan, I'm looking forward to where they take the show next season.

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20 May 2016 02:46 #48017 by Brad2
Cool! Sounds like the kind of team I'd want to see Supergirl appear on (and even more than once). Of course, they might have to wait until she gets more heroic on her own show.

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20 May 2016 02:53 #48018 by murdough
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Brad2 wrote: Cool! Sounds like the kind of team I'd want to see Supergirl appear on (and even more than once). Of course, they might have to wait until she gets more heroic on her own show.


Like I said, it was pretty damn good this year, with some good casting. Brandon Routh(Superman Returns) as Ray Palmer/The Atom, Wentworth Miller and Dominic Purcell as Captain Cold and Heat Wave(continuing their partnership from Prison Break) and Arthur Darvill(Rory from the first two years of Matt Smith's run on Doctor Who) as Rip Hunter, just to name a couple. Here's the trailer for the first half of the season

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