I haven't talked about the Mon-El relationship storyline, so I'll just put it this way: it's reaaaally not working for me. It's /so/ CW.
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Monty wrote: I noticed this as well. I think sg.tv holds the reins over production material, so I think anyone with an interest will head there. I was going to post a link earlier to some great outdoor sequence shots in Vancouver, but figured if anyone is interested enough, they will head there anyway
I haven't talked about the Mon-El relationship storyline, so I'll just put it this way: it's reaaaally not working for me. It's /so/ CW.
I've noticed this too. Also many people on my feed are now watching 1 or 2 days later. twitter.com/gcmcallis/stat…
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Markiehoe wrote: I still watch the show but frankly they are losing me.
Supergirl is not the star it is an ensemble show.
She is continually rescued or bailed out of trouble by other heroes.
I can not stand this subplot with Mon El!
My number one trope I can not stand is Good Girl turns Bad.
They got that stupid one out of the way last season.
My number two trope I can not stand is Good Girl likes Bad Boy.
I am suffering through all of this season with this.
Besides her looking stunning in a wedding dress the last episode was just OK.
Mister Mxyzptlk instead of being a short, unattractive, annoying imp is now a standard CW metrosexual.
Supergirl instead of being totally repulsed by him is actually kind of attracted to him.
She even gave him a cute pet name.
If some girl I was interested in gave me a pet name I would redouble my efforts to woo her.
Sadly Supergirl is now just something to watch.
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Monty wrote: Could Open the door for a possible better than half-decent movie?
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brantley wrote: It's not just Supergirl, or even comic book shows in general.
Timeless is a case in point of a show that went off the rails. It was supposed to be about a war between two time traveling forces for control of American history, with a focus on turning point events that could change the course of history, but pretty soon the events had little or nothing to do with that. It was just a Cook's Tour through time..
Designated Survivor is another example. It started out with a brilliant idea: a terrorist attack that kills the president and most of those in line to succeed him, leaving a minor cabinet member inheriting the office. There is a story line about whether the attack was really by a jihadist group or a treasonous cabal at home. But instead of really building on that, they kept stalling and stalling, with a man tapped for vice president but apparently really part of the conspiracy managing to outfox the FBI more and more implausibly after it gets on to him.
In both cases, the producers seemed at first to have an overall plan, a true story arc, but were actually just making things up as they went along. It's as if the episodes were plotted by a random number generator. The same thing had already led to the decline of the soap opera genre, and has become endemic in superhero movies and TV series.
--Brantley
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shadar wrote: 3) We live in a time when solving problems (which is what a story hook essentially is) is no longer important to most viewers. They just want to see a bunch of attractive people hooking up or fighting other people with no apparent goal or end in sight other than getting to the next episode.
My nagging fear is that it's the third.
I'm not normally paranoid, but maybe Orwell got it right.
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five_red wrote:
shadar wrote: 3) We live in a time when solving problems (which is what a story hook essentially is) is no longer important to most viewers. They just want to see a bunch of attractive people hooking up or fighting other people with no apparent goal or end in sight other than getting to the next episode.
My nagging fear is that it's the third.
I'm not normally paranoid, but maybe Orwell got it right.
But... when you look at shows like Westworld, Mr. Robot, and Stranger Things, you see very well written, well thought out, complex, challenging, and engaging storytelling. Shows like Mad Men, Homeland, and The Americans, also have remained strong despite running several years, and The Walking Dead has proven that one weak season (which I personally didn't mind, actually) doesn't doom a show.
There are a number of problems with Supergirl, and to a greater or lesser extent they also affect the other CW cape shows too.
(1) Unlike the above shows, there doesn't seem to be a well worked out narrative for each season. It is as if the writers set up some interesting ideas at the start, without a solid road map of where they would go. The writing for season one seemed to have been crafted by several teams who didn't communicate with one another. It resulted in glaring continuity issues, and a choppy style that gave the impression that several people were fighting over the steering wheel. Season two, it seems, isn't much better.
(2) The relationships are scripted with the emotional depth of daytime soap opera. The characters fall in love and out of love in the course of an episode, dedicate their lives to finding their father one episode and forget about it the next, etc etc.
(3) The show is pitched -- even more so since the move to The CW -- at the intellectual level of a Millennial social media addict. It's bubblegum tweet-bate. Other shows want fans to take to the forums with complex theories and rave about the nuanced performances. Supergirl wants fans to tweet 27 pics of MB doing a cute scrunchy-face smile, and rave about which One Direction song fits each character.
(4) Specifically with Supergirl, I have a strong suspicion the producers were given Supergirl, rather than asking for her. As I've ranted and raved about before, they seem to have little understanding of the character's past or what makes her special, and 99% of the themes and ideas imported into the show from the comics have been taken from Superman.
So, yes, you're absolutely right: "They just want to see a bunch of attractive people hooking up or fighting other people with no apparent goal or end in sight other than getting to the next episode." BUT... there is clearly a massive audience for something more than just that, if the producers chose to pursue it -- Westworld et al prove that definitively. But it's a mute point -- Supergirl may not be Westworld, but it is (just about!) finding an audience with its soap opera charactisations and Indiana Jones plotting. So we just have to accept that this may not be the show that we wanted, but unfortunately there are thousands of young women with itchy Twitter fingers who disagree... So... y'know... tough!!
R5
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kikass2014 wrote: Yeah Supergirl has lost me too, which is why I don't post as much about it.
Their vision of what the show should be and mine seems to have drifted irreversibly apart. Pity really, as it showed some good potential in the first season.
I much prefer watching The Flash now, and to a slightly lesser extent, Legends of Tomorrow, for my comic book fix. While certainly not of the caliber of Westworld for example, they are LIGHT-YEARS ahead of Supergirl. At least in those two shows, there is a consistent, overarching narrative, that is well plotted and presented, as well as consistent (not perfect) character development/conflicts. And also some really good, engaging, performances by the casts of the show.
I think I will leave Supergirl to the bubblegum generation, and like Shadar, watch it when I have nothing else to watch.
Peace.
/K
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andyf wrote: It looks like I really struck a nerve here. I didn't expect to get so many replies. It's pretty clear most here on this board don't like the direction season 2 is going. I agree with some of the negative comments, but not all.
If season 2 is really going downhill, than who is to blame? The new writing staff hired for season 2? The shows producers? Or, is it , the suits at the CW? A combination of all three?
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