Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman?

Here's hoping we see something like this in MOS 2... Ben Affleck as Batman (seriously bad casting) deserves to have his head stepped on by the goddess herself:



Shadar

Maybe it's time to wait a little bit. Hollywood knows how to transform skinny into athletic/fat/anything, or the opposite. Let's give time to the time

Love the way the internet goes ballistic whenever casting is done for a comic book character. I can't think of one casting decision that wasn't met with scorn from comic book fans. Even Robert Downey Jr. was criticized as "too short" and "too corny" for Iron Man. Well, we all know how that turned out...and don't even get me started on the venom directed Heath Ledger's way.

Point being, please give these people a chance before pouncing on them. Affleck could be just fine for Batman and Ms. Gadot could be just fine for WW. We don't know...

We also got noted pothead Seth Rogan as the Green Hornet
Johnny Depp as Tonto with a dead bird on his head.
Disney just about killed the western with that one.
The wrong actress as Wonder Woman will kill that franchise before it even gets a chance.

I don't disagree with you on any particular point, but a bad script or portrayal will kill her even faster.

What if only her extensive combat training puts her in Batman's class? If only her fast reflexes and bracelets protect her? In other words, a slightly souped-up Black Widow who needs an invisible machine to fly, and not an equal of Superman in any way?

You laugh, but it could happen. I'm taking bets that the studios won't show her as being able to toss a bus or bend steel beams or rip the gun turret off a battleship (as she does in the current comic, where she is more physical than Superman). Hope I'm dead wrong and I lose this bet big time, but I worry more about that kind of de-powering her into a Batman-class figure than I do the selection of the actress to play her. Maybe they'll save all the super-heroic special effects for Superman.

I'm waiting for the first stills to come out of the action scene captures to judge what they are doing with her.

Remember Charlize Theron in Hancock when we saw a production still that showed her holding the front of a semi-truck over her head with one hand? Up until then, most people assumed she was just the cute girl/love interest. Suddenly the movie got a lot more interesting.

Anyway, I'll be looking for the same kind of shots when they begin filming MOS 2.

Shadar

Markiehoe wrote: We also got noted pothead Seth Rogan as the Green Hornet
Johnny Depp as Tonto with a dead bird on his head.
Disney just about killed the western with that one.
The wrong actress as Wonder Woman will kill that franchise before it even gets a chance.

What gals me is that they had the perfect actress in Jaime Alexander. She already knows how to play a goddess and a kick-ass warrior -- and she looks the part in this photoenhance:

shadar wrote: I don't disagree with you on any particular point, but a bad script or portrayal will kill her even faster.

What if only her extensive combat training puts her in Batman's class? If only her fast reflexes and bracelets protect her? In other words, a slightly souped-up Black Widow who needs an invisible machine to fly, and not an equal of Superman in any way?

You laugh, but it could happen. I'm taking bets that the studios won't show her as being able to toss a bus or bend steel beams or rip the gun turret off a battleship (as she does in the current comic, where she is more physical than Superman). Hope I'm dead wrong and I lose this bet big time, but I worry more about that kind of de-powering her into a Batman-class figure than I do the selection of the actress to play her. Maybe they'll save all the super-heroic special effects for Superman.

I'm waiting for the first stills to come out of the action scene captures to judge what they are doing with her.

Remember Charlize Theron in Hancock when we saw a production still that showed her holding the front of a semi-truck over her head with one hand? Up until then, most people assumed she was just the cute girl/love interest. Suddenly the movie got a lot more interesting.

Anyway, I'll be looking for the same kind of shots when they begin filming MOS 2.

Shadar

Markiehoe wrote: We also got noted pothead Seth Rogan as the Green Hornet
Johnny Depp as Tonto with a dead bird on his head.
Disney just about killed the western with that one.
The wrong actress as Wonder Woman will kill that franchise before it even gets a chance.

I will agree with shadar.
The problem is that wonder womans powers can often seem-well inconsistent in the comics. Regardless of times when specifically where she is depowered she has often for example fought batman at the more or less equal rank.
That said it could be done well. I suspect we are going to see those shots at least a little bit. They could but I don’t think there going to be that…dumb.

(though I disagree in this sence. Hancock was never intresting)

Putting her in the movie could help with the problem of “superman carries batman” you often see in worlds finest comics. By putting him in a big enough group the fact that he actually can’t do much disguises things.

of course it also just puts her in a big group. such is life.

io9.com , my very favorite website, has an excellent article and discussion called How To Make a Wonder Woman Movie. You might have to scroll down a bit to find the article.

The elaborate and thoughtful comments to the question of how to make it are very interesting. Also a couple of side articles, including one that contains action footage of Gal Gadot that is pretty good. She can kick ass.

Shadar

You are right shadar. A bigger threat to WW is if she is de-powered in the DC cinematic universe. I would worry more about that than whether or not the actress they cast will eventually look like WW. There are amazing things they can do with technology...

By the way, I am still reading all over the place that fans are expecting WW to be a big part of this upcoming movie. These people are going to riot if she is not and they only introduce her and save her for future movies.

Some things, in any culture, simply have their time. And movies are a key part of Western culture now. Maybe this is just WW's time.

After reading some recent comments made by Zack Snyder, I am less concerned on the depower today. He claims she's the most powerful female in all of comicdom. That doesn't guarantee anything, but it's encouraging. I really hope she's portrayed as Superman's equal in most ways, and an alien to our Earth in her own way. Make Paradise Island part of a pocket dimension or whatever and stress the current comicdom concept that she's the daughter of Zeus and a full goddess.

If the ancient Nordic Gods can exist via Thor, Loki and Sif in the Avengers franchise, their Greek equivalents can exist in another plane or dimension in DC's Justice League franchise.

That solves all the messy origins issues. She's come from another plain of existence to help us combat some great evil, along with Superman and Batman. For my money, I'd develop Braniac and a mechanized, machine civilization as the enduring bad guy. You can then fold in concepts that were developed in the Terminator, Battlestar Galactia and the original MOS portrayal of Krypton as a sentient and lethal enemy that wants to end all biological life. The future of intelligent life hangs in the balance -- will it be biological or machine? That should be enough to draw together biological mankind and its heroes into a grand alliance to defeat the mechanized evil.

It also makes it easy to do awesome CGI with fantastic and deadly machines. And we already know that Zach Snyder loves to go there.

Shadar

jdrock24 wrote: You are right shadar. A bigger threat to WW is if she is de-powered in the DC cinematic universe. I would worry more about that than whether or not the actress they cast will eventually look like WW. There are amazing things they can do with technology...

By the way, I am still reading all over the place that fans are expecting WW to be a big part of this upcoming movie. These people are going to riot if she is not and they only introduce her and save her for future movies.

I haven't really followed this, but I know the track record for comic book movies hasn't been good. Even in the DARK KNIGHT trilogy, the third movie was a letdown. I thought the first IRON MAN movie was cool, but the second was silly and I didn't watch any after that (Same with the J.J. Abrams school of sf movies and TV). I think a good WW movie COULD be made, even if her powers were limited (For that matter, remember Emma Peel, who didn't have any powers at all but plenty of charm and confidence? Black Widow is in the same vein). But I'm not holding my breath.

A year ago, I would have agreed. But based on the huge response that the announcement of WW in MOS2 has generated, I think it's time for a "female Superman". WW is the only comics character with the chops to pull that off, and I think the moviegoing public is finally ready.

Heck, even Peter Jackson is going to have a female hero/warrior in Hobbit 2, with marginally super powered skills, and he's also pushing Galadrial closer to being a super being. Kate Blachette has the chops for that. If he's doing that to old Professor Tolkein's material, then the world is ready.

As far as JJ Adams goes, we are on the same page, but that's probably because we've been around long enough to know it can be done much better. Thankfully, he's not involved in this franchise. And while I'm not overly enamored with Zack Snyder, I did like MOS. Even more when I could study it on Bluray. It has grown on me.

Shadar

brantley wrote: I haven't really followed this, but I know the track record for comic book movies hasn't been good. Even in the DARK KNIGHT trilogy, the third movie was a letdown. I thought the first IRON MAN movie was cool, but the second was silly and I didn't watch any after that (Same with the J.J. Abrams school of sf movies and TV). I think a good WW movie COULD be made, even if her powers were limited (For that matter, remember Emma Peel, who didn't have any powers at all but plenty of charm and confidence? Black Widow is in the same vein). But I'm not holding my breath.

Forgiveness for those who are on this thread for some time, but I just come here and saw this subject.

First, I think it's a very good news to know there will be finally WONDER WOMAN in a movie.

But what a bad news to see that it'll be Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. She's too skinny !!!!!

Certainly, Lynda Carter was not very big, but she had a woman breast at least !

So Gal Gadot will have to workout very hard for the role, and eat some meat if she wants to have our favourite Amazone's sexy body.

History repeats itself in Hollywood. No chance for admirers of super strong women, always disappointments...

Sif would be better for the role !

I agree that Tolkein has Never been misogonist. His problem is that he had no idea how to involve women in the action of his stories. That was a reflection of his life and upbringing in Victorian England. Yet without Galadrial's protection and gifts, Frodo and Sam would have perished many times over. The elven rope saved them, the lamda bread fed them and the elven cloaks hid them. Let alone the vial of light that was the only thing to save Frodo from Shelab. Her oblique warning to Frodo after she read Boromir's heart probably also saved the ring. So she was pivotal, just not in the action.

But Tolkein never envisioned any action for females. Jackson's change to have his daughter Arwen rescue Frodo in FOTR (instead of having his son do it as in the books) and carrying him to Rivendell was an attempt to correct that failing. But it appears Jackson is amping that up in Hobbit 2 with the premier warrior for good being a female elf with superhuman athletic and combat skills. And Galadiral has now promised to come to Gandalf's aid if he ever calls her. She now appears to be able to teleport herself.

To get back on topic, I see this as a recognition by Jackson that the audience wants to see more female characters with superhuman powers. So much so that his females might become the mightest (but not the most important or heroic) characters in the Hobbit. If I'm reading this right, and if Jackson is reading his audience right, then its good news for other movie portrayals, like WW. A recognition that very powerful female characters are ready for prime time.


On the other hand, Peter claims he makes movies for himself and doesn't cater to his audience or cultural trends. Maybe he thinks a bit like us. Or maybe I'm turning an errant strand of silk into a silk gown. (<grin>)

Shadar

Anon wrote:

shadar wrote: Heck, even Peter Jackson is going to have a female hero/warrior in Hobbit 2, with marginally super powered skills, and he's also pushing Galadrial closer to being a super being. Kate Blachette has the chops for that. If he's doing that to old Professor Tolkein's material, then the world is ready.

I might be wrong here (since I haven't read Tolkien in quite a while) but I believe that the professor's reputation of misoginy isn't completly true. While the female figures in his work are rather scarce, they're generally quite powerful and memorable in their own way. Also, keep in mind that he was still a child of old style Victorian gentry, so he had a rather conservative view in many ways.
On the subject of Galadriel, while she wasn't an active part in "The Lord of the Rings", in another part of Tolkien's works - "Simarillion" I believe - it was stated that ages ago (she's 10,000 or so) she was a warrior too and she kicked royal amounts of ass.

Awfull choice, even worst than ben aflleck IMHO... and it´s not the fact that she is skinny or has zero definition on her body, they can kinda change that. the fact is that she doesn´t have the perfect beauty we want for WW. I mean, she´s like a godess. I was expecting some new actress as beautifull as, say, Jennifer Connelly, Linda Carter herself, or the uber babe Megan Fox. You know, that ultra-gourgeous face... not this girl next doormexican soap opera actress

arvin sloane wrote: ... not this girl next door mexican soap opera actress

You do know she's a former Miss Israel? Last I checked, there weren't a lot of Mexicans living there.

She races a Ducati Monster-S2R bike, and she plays on volleyball, soccer and tennis teams. She's a former
Israeli soldier. She does her own stunts in the movies. She's also been a covergirl on Maxim (twice), Cosmopolitan,
Bride Magazine, FHM.

She might not be our first choice for WW due to her overly-slender physique, but you are underselling her by a lot. She's
a very interesting lady, and hardly a wallflower. I'm betting she'll look the part by the time the filming is done.

Shadar

Considering how niche our interest is, we are some of the pickiest people I've ever met

There is no one girl on this planet which we would unanimously agree is the right pick for wonder woman. I'm sure she's gonna train like crazy for the role, and the final product - whether it be special fx or by some other means will be something we'll be okay with.

What amazes me, is that WE complain so much about WW when she's in production and whine when she's not. Give this director a chance and judge the final product

Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Ironman, Captain America are all strong characters introduced in their own stand alone movies.
Even second tier heroes like Daredevil, Ghost Rider and Blade were also given the premiere treatment.
Burying Wonder Woman in the next Man of Steel movie, which already has powerhouse franchise character Batman in it proves to me the producers have NO faith in the character.
We should be worried.

I agree that we should always be worried about what Hollywood does with superheroines, given their track record is so awful. But that doesn't mean they'll always get it wrong. MOS2 might or might not suck. Launching WW into feature live-action films via MOS2 could be a disaster or it could be brilliant, depending on what they do and what follows. We don't even know the release date of MOS2 yet (smart money says summer of 2015), but it could also be 2016. So.... 1.5 to 2.5 years from now. That says that a WW feature film is 2.5 to 4.5 years away, assuming they don't continue down the Justice League route and keep the mighty trinity together, which I'm guessing is the current direction.

That's a long time. It's way too long to whine and flagellate myself and others. I'm an optimist by nature, so I'm going to be hopeful until we see clearer evidence of unfixable suckism on the part of WB, Zack Snyder, etc. And if by some miracle MOS2 does work and makes good money, then you can bet that the trinity with these actors will get a much longer run in Justice League before they do any more solo films. All we can do as fans is to build a ton of support and anticipation behind WW, and to encourage the studio to see the value in putting a decent WW on screen. We might be able to influence whether she gets 5 minutes of screen time in MOS2, or 30 minutes or even an hour.

One thing is clear to me, and that's that David Goyer, who is going to be writing MOS2, knows about comics and these characters. So if you thought the writing on MOS sucked, then MOS2 is probably really going to suck for you. I personally liked the writing on MOS (but wasn't so thrilled with the direction or Henry Cavill's acting), so I see some reason for optimism that we'll at least get a story that respects WW. Unlike David E Kelley, who wrote that awful WW TV pilot, I think Goyer gets the characters.

Shadar

Markiehoe wrote: Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Ironman, Captain America are all strong characters introduced in their own stand alone movies.
Even second tier heroes like Daredevil, Ghost Rider and Blade were also given the premiere treatment.
Burying Wonder Woman in the next Man of Steel movie, which already has powerhouse franchise character Batman in it proves to me the producers have NO faith in the character.
We should be worried.

Kelly Thompson ("The Girl Who Would Be King")'s opinion on the matter: goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/1...m-with-wonder-woman/