Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman?

There is no one girl on this planet which we would unanimously agree is the right pick for wonder woman. I'm sure she's gonna train like crazy for the role, and the final product - whether it be special fx or by some other means will be something we'll be okay with.

What amazes me, is that WE complain so much about WW when she's in production and whine when she's not. Give this director a chance and judge the final product

Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Ironman, Captain America are all strong characters introduced in their own stand alone movies.
Even second tier heroes like Daredevil, Ghost Rider and Blade were also given the premiere treatment.
Burying Wonder Woman in the next Man of Steel movie, which already has powerhouse franchise character Batman in it proves to me the producers have NO faith in the character.
We should be worried.

I agree that we should always be worried about what Hollywood does with superheroines, given their track record is so awful. But that doesn't mean they'll always get it wrong. MOS2 might or might not suck. Launching WW into feature live-action films via MOS2 could be a disaster or it could be brilliant, depending on what they do and what follows. We don't even know the release date of MOS2 yet (smart money says summer of 2015), but it could also be 2016. So.... 1.5 to 2.5 years from now. That says that a WW feature film is 2.5 to 4.5 years away, assuming they don't continue down the Justice League route and keep the mighty trinity together, which I'm guessing is the current direction.

That's a long time. It's way too long to whine and flagellate myself and others. I'm an optimist by nature, so I'm going to be hopeful until we see clearer evidence of unfixable suckism on the part of WB, Zack Snyder, etc. And if by some miracle MOS2 does work and makes good money, then you can bet that the trinity with these actors will get a much longer run in Justice League before they do any more solo films. All we can do as fans is to build a ton of support and anticipation behind WW, and to encourage the studio to see the value in putting a decent WW on screen. We might be able to influence whether she gets 5 minutes of screen time in MOS2, or 30 minutes or even an hour.

One thing is clear to me, and that's that David Goyer, who is going to be writing MOS2, knows about comics and these characters. So if you thought the writing on MOS sucked, then MOS2 is probably really going to suck for you. I personally liked the writing on MOS (but wasn't so thrilled with the direction or Henry Cavill's acting), so I see some reason for optimism that we'll at least get a story that respects WW. Unlike David E Kelley, who wrote that awful WW TV pilot, I think Goyer gets the characters.

Shadar

Markiehoe wrote: Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Ironman, Captain America are all strong characters introduced in their own stand alone movies.
Even second tier heroes like Daredevil, Ghost Rider and Blade were also given the premiere treatment.
Burying Wonder Woman in the next Man of Steel movie, which already has powerhouse franchise character Batman in it proves to me the producers have NO faith in the character.
We should be worried.

Kelly Thompson ("The Girl Who Would Be King")'s opinion on the matter: goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/1...m-with-wonder-woman/

Yeah, Lynda had it all. A Godess.

DustyBottums wrote: Also have to disagree with shadar about good ol Lynda.

There was a scene in the old WW show where she was in a rock "vice" room that was slowly closing on her. She spins into WW and braces her hands on the walls and pushes outward....well, There must have been some resistance for real, because Lynda's physique came alive, you could see some real definition and athletic thickness under her curves. She actually looked strong.....no way did she look flabby. (ADDED: found a pic. Sorry for the pixilation. But you can still se her definition, a little of her traps, etc.)

I also remember her on "battle of the Network Stars" (I'm dating myself). Anyway, lynda was a good athlete and a great swimmer, she won that event a lot.

Ugh. I still say there was a universe of better options. Jill Wagner, for one. Or the dream.....CZJ, circa 1996. Sigh.......

j2001 wrote: Kelly Thompson ("The Girl Who Would Be King")'s opinion on the matter: goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/1...m-with-wonder-woman/

I agree with her, for the most part. She's a bit too obsessed with Wonder Woman deserving her own movie, but only a bit. She *DOES* deserve her own movie, it's a good point, it's just that when the suits in charge of greenlighting movies don't agree, you go for what you can get. Her upcoming appearance, if it is actually well done, might shake some things loose.

The perfect is forever the enemy of the good. We should not refuse to accept Wonder Woman appearing in a movie just because it is not her own dedicated movie. We should, however, absolutely refuse to accept Wonder Woman appearing in a movie if the movie, or her part in it, is not good. That is the important thing - that Wonder Woman's appearance in the movie be both good enough to make Gal Gadot glad she took the role and popular enough that the suits at the top want to arrange more appearances for her, particularly in her own movie.

Jabbrwock wrote:
The perfect is forever the enemy of the good. We should not refuse to accept Wonder Woman appearing in a movie just because it is not her own dedicated movie. We should, however, absolutely refuse to accept Wonder Woman appearing in a movie if the movie, or her part in it, is not good. That is the important thing - that Wonder Woman's appearance in the movie be both good enough to make Gal Gadot glad she took the role and popular enough that the suits at the top want to arrange more appearances for her, particularly in her own movie.

This an Excelent point.

in 2009 they did an Animated Movie of Wonder Woman, which did not do very good business at all. One of the reasons that is sited for it which created a big backlash was that in a scene she says "But they forgot that we are women". a LOT of fans objected that she should have said "were humans".

People kind of blaim it for tanking. which i have heard one wag say "You can't sucseed for trying". Both anwsers are kind of valid for her. That can be the problem with Wonder Woman. More then any comic character of either sex for any company i would argue she has that quality. Since the idea of her is kind of the perfect.

Ahh, well hope it does well. Becuse i do think if there honest, i can honestly say in terms of intrest in demand (even speaking in this forum) that overall of any comicbook characters people would want to see a new wonder woman movie. That includes Batman, Spiderman, Iron Man Etc(all of whom are kind of played out).

Castor

castor wrote:
This an Excelent point.

in 2009 they did an Animated Movie of Wonder Woman, which did not do very good business at all.

Castor

Huh? I don't know how much business is expected of an animated movie but when it is #5 on your sales chart of all your DVDs, I would assume it did okay.

Reference: DC Sales Chart

That WW movie was great. If they made a live action movie of that, I think it would be very well received.

jdrock24 wrote:

castor wrote:


Huh? I don't know how much business is expected of an animated movie but when it is #5 on your sales chart of all your DVDs, I would assume it did okay.

Reference: DC Sales Chart

That WW movie was great. If they made a live action movie of that, I think it would be very well received.

DON"T YOU QUESTION MY CONVENTIONAL HOLLYWOOD WISDOM ABOUT A MOVIES PERFORMANCE!!!

no way did it do better then movies about Green Lantern, superman, Batman, Captian Marvel or the Justice Leauge. The wise men of hollywood speak!

I appreciate the sarcasm Castor. That reply is awesome.

Sad that it is kind of telling that the WW animated movie is #5 on DCs sales charts but yet is still somehow construed as a "failure". That line of thinking is what is holding a live-action solo WW movie movie from getting made. But hey, at least the powers at WB have deigned to include her in a Superman sequel. Hopefully she is well received and will launch her own franchise. We can only hope...

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I agree with others. She is a bit too skinny for my tastes.

I would be happy to see the physique of some of the more muscular NFL cheerleaders. That would be just about right.

Looks like we'll be waiting until 2016 to find out
Jess

Might take that long for a writer to explain why Wonder Woman is so skinny.
Or it might take the extra time for Gal to put on some curves.

They say the filming will begin very soon, with the Batmobile scenes filming this summer. Don't see any reason why this won't come out somewhere between Xmas 2014 to summer 2015. I'm betting her scenes will also shoot this summer. Can't see her gaining more than 10 pounds of lean before then, if that. Fat would be easy. Muscle takes time. But given the full leather WW outfit (which could be padded a bit), she'll look the part.

JessP wrote: Looks like we'll be waiting until 2016 to find out
Jess

Nope!
May 6, 2016. WB announced the delay yesterday.
I guess it's a good sign that they're giving the script some more time.
Movies like this usually require a minimum of a year in post, so that makes sense.
The weird thing is that it's opening against the first Marvel "Phase 3" film now.
My guess is a fourth Iron Man...

Tks for the update... last info I had showed them starting soon. Kind of a bummer, especially since there is no way to know if the delay is going to result in a better movie or not. Here's hoping it will.

Shadar

JessP wrote: Nope!
May 6, 2016. WB announced the delay yesterday.
I guess it's a good sign that they're giving the script some more time.
Movies like this usually require a minimum of a year in post, so that makes sense.
The weird thing is that it's opening against the first Marvel "Phase 3" film now.
My guess is a fourth Iron Man...

shadar wrote: They say the filming will begin very soon, with the Batmobile scenes filming this summer. Don't see any reason why this won't come out somewhere between Xmas 2014 to summer 2015. I'm betting her scenes will also shoot this summer. Can't see her gaining more than 10 pounds of lean before then, if that. Fat would be easy. Muscle takes time. But given the full leather WW outfit (which could be padded a bit), she'll look the part.
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A lot of big action movies these days do what sometimes called a "preshoot" in which before the main start of production they film a couple of scenes in order to give the effects teams something to work on while the real shoot begins. (A lot of the sandman stuff for example in spiderman 3).

Car Chase scenes are occasionally done this way as well. Most car chases are filmed at completely different time from the main shoot, in different cities as its almost impossible to film a car chase in a big city like New York.-to much traffic. Also quite frankly they don't require in terms much of the actual cast. So to do that first in summer suggest maybe an early fall shoot.

What this says about her fitness i don't know.

castor wrote: What this says about her fitness i don't know.

I often wonder how much an actor will change their body for a role, but we've seen amazing stuff. Shaved heads. Serious bulking up by Kristanna Loken for T3. Some of Charlize Theron's roles (think Monster where she gained weight until she was flabby). There are probably better examples around, but you get the drift. In the case of Ms. Gadot, she's always been cut from the fashion model/beauty queen competition mold, and she appears to be very small boned. She'd probably look great with an additional 20 pounds of properly placed muscle and some costume enhancements to her bust, but given she reportedly weighs 120 pounds at 5'8" height, that's a huge percentage of her bodyweight. But that's about what it will take to allow me to suspend disbelief. But then, I'm a bit kinked in the direction of tall, phenomenally fit superheroines.

But she might not want to look like that afterward, although I don't see why not. But I do recall Anna Kournikova being quoted as saying "she hated her muscles" after she quit playing professional tennis and tried to make a living as a model. She wound up starving herself for a while, but then she looked skinny and muscular. and lost most of her curves. You can't diet muscles away. My suspicion is that she was a victim of the bird-like expectation of the fashion modeling industry and that got to her for a bit. Thankfully, there were other publications that liked the way she looked. she ended up eating and exercising and going the men's magazines/swimsuit model route because of her fitness level, and I loved that. But apparently, at least for a while, she didn't.

Anyway, I try not to make too much a deal about how an actress looks if they are doing a great job playing to a great script, but given the last two items are questionable, we might be left with the first.

Witness LV's performance in Bitten. The writing doesn't impress me, and the production quality sucks, but Laura is so amazing hot (dressed or not) that I'm a fan of the series after one episode. She portrays my ideal of a Kryptonian better than any other actress alive. Such a shame that we'll likely never see her playing Supergirl beyond Smallville. She's in way better shape now than she was back then. But I rather doubt anyone wants to do a Supergirl movie (period), let alone one portraying Kara as a 30ish superheroine. Most people think of SG as a teenager. But I loved the few comics that were done where she was older, especially the Superman Family story where she was the Governor of Florida and also secretly Supergirl (and Lois and Clark had a daughter who was in the midst of discovering her Kryptonian powers). Outstanding stuff, but only for a single issue, unfortunately.

If anyone wants to see that phenomenal issue, I've got it scanned and could post the panels. Let me know.

Anyway, that kind of story line could totally reinvigorate my interest in politics!

Here's a teaser or two:








Shadar

Missed a couple links:

Interesting - www.mtv.com/news/articles/1720893/gal-go...woman-3-movies.jhtml

They seem to have high hopes of her pulling off the role. Hopefully she does. Personally, the more I see of her, the more I think she will do ok. Just hope the writing does its job

/Peace/

/K