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29 Nov 2017 01:28 #57346
by Markiehoe
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You can make your own judgement on whether another version exists
wegotthiscovered.com/movies/full-list-za...gue-scenes-revealed/
wegotthiscovered.com/movies/full-list-za...gue-scenes-revealed/
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29 Nov 2017 01:37 #57347
by kikass2014
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And this is what I was saying earlier:
screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-cost-millions/
Peace.
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screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-cost-millions/
Peace.
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29 Nov 2017 03:18 #57350
by TwiceOnThursdays
What I find interesting about this list, is that I seem to have the opposite reaction from many reading it. Many go "wow, the SYnder version would have been better, I can't believe I'm saying that..." I don't, it was cut for good reason, and I suspect the final Synder movie would have lacked many things that I thought gave it character.
The only exception is that I think it gives Steppenwolf more defined reasons to do what he's doing, it's not just "destroy Earth for Darkseid", I suspect that part might have been cut due to re-render time, or just difficulty in putting it into the new flow of the movie. Making a better bad guy makes the movie better. ( I do not think adding Darkseid helps the movie other than OOOOOO! Darkseid!!! If you wanted that, USE DARKSEID and not a poor proxy.)
The rest do not add to the movie, and in some cases (Iris West) work against what they were trying to do with Flash. We didn't need the rest of it, and it doesn't make the movie better.
I should have been obvious that the Lex/Deathstroke stuff HAD to be post-credit ... and thus had to be one SHORT scene. Not a breakout, etc.
This list is a sign of how much money was wasted making the movie.
The Whedoneque reshoots are likely the reason that I think the movie works at all, and what gave them the ability to cut all that unneeded stuff. Yes, it would have LOOKED COOL, but it wouldn't have made the movie any better. Not that whedon is infalliable (far from it).
OTH, I think the Deathstroke stuff being cut might be his fault. He fought marvel on Age of Ultron, and the stuff they made him shoe-horn in is widely regarded as the worst parts of the movie. It seems like DC/WB listened to him and took heed of the lesson. This list gives me hope that DC/WB is learning.
I hope that's the takeaway DC/WB gets. Invest in writing and storyboarding UP FRONT and get a solid skeleton before committing so many resources.
Replied by TwiceOnThursdays on topic Justice League
Markiehoe wrote: You can make your own judgement on whether another version exists
wegotthiscovered.com/movies/full-list-za...gue-scenes-revealed/
What I find interesting about this list, is that I seem to have the opposite reaction from many reading it. Many go "wow, the SYnder version would have been better, I can't believe I'm saying that..." I don't, it was cut for good reason, and I suspect the final Synder movie would have lacked many things that I thought gave it character.
The only exception is that I think it gives Steppenwolf more defined reasons to do what he's doing, it's not just "destroy Earth for Darkseid", I suspect that part might have been cut due to re-render time, or just difficulty in putting it into the new flow of the movie. Making a better bad guy makes the movie better. ( I do not think adding Darkseid helps the movie other than OOOOOO! Darkseid!!! If you wanted that, USE DARKSEID and not a poor proxy.)
The rest do not add to the movie, and in some cases (Iris West) work against what they were trying to do with Flash. We didn't need the rest of it, and it doesn't make the movie better.
I should have been obvious that the Lex/Deathstroke stuff HAD to be post-credit ... and thus had to be one SHORT scene. Not a breakout, etc.
This list is a sign of how much money was wasted making the movie.
The Whedoneque reshoots are likely the reason that I think the movie works at all, and what gave them the ability to cut all that unneeded stuff. Yes, it would have LOOKED COOL, but it wouldn't have made the movie any better. Not that whedon is infalliable (far from it).
OTH, I think the Deathstroke stuff being cut might be his fault. He fought marvel on Age of Ultron, and the stuff they made him shoe-horn in is widely regarded as the worst parts of the movie. It seems like DC/WB listened to him and took heed of the lesson. This list gives me hope that DC/WB is learning.
I hope that's the takeaway DC/WB gets. Invest in writing and storyboarding UP FRONT and get a solid skeleton before committing so many resources.
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30 Nov 2017 12:49 #57390
by Woodclaw
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I finally watched Justice League last night and it was ... okay in many ways, but it didn't work in others. While I think it's way better than I expected, given the previous attempt at a DC team movie (I don't think I'll ever be able to forget them for Suicide Squad), but it still didn't really hit the mark for me.
Most of the movie works, although with a lot of bumps along the road. I like the fact that they removed most of the de-saturation filter and I really enjoyed Superman finally having the chance of being closer to the way I imagine the character. The rest of the cast was a bit hit or miss based on the scene, but the overall alchemy was there.
The biggest problem I got with the movie is that it falls into one of the biggest pitfalls of team-building movies: too much to do. In my opinion a team movie has to operate on three levels: establishing characters, assembling the team and telling the story. Justice League needed to introduce three brand new characters -- one seminal to the plot (Cyborg) -- while taking these six loners and making them into a credible team, all the while telling a massive story about the end of the world. Overall they did a semi-decent job, if one is willing to overlook some really big plot-convenient moments (Aquaman arriving at Gotham Harbor), but I'm not sold on the Leaguers the same way I was with the Avengers.
Most of the movie works, although with a lot of bumps along the road. I like the fact that they removed most of the de-saturation filter and I really enjoyed Superman finally having the chance of being closer to the way I imagine the character. The rest of the cast was a bit hit or miss based on the scene, but the overall alchemy was there.
The biggest problem I got with the movie is that it falls into one of the biggest pitfalls of team-building movies: too much to do. In my opinion a team movie has to operate on three levels: establishing characters, assembling the team and telling the story. Justice League needed to introduce three brand new characters -- one seminal to the plot (Cyborg) -- while taking these six loners and making them into a credible team, all the while telling a massive story about the end of the world. Overall they did a semi-decent job, if one is willing to overlook some really big plot-convenient moments (Aquaman arriving at Gotham Harbor), but I'm not sold on the Leaguers the same way I was with the Avengers.
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30 Nov 2017 17:18 - 30 Nov 2017 17:19 #57403
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30 Nov 2017 17:22 #57404
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Interesting article:
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/jus...omanaged-zack-snyder
If true, it seems far more blame lies at the feet of WB than either director.
One has to wonder what WB management was thinking and I hope they learn from it.
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/jus...omanaged-zack-snyder
If true, it seems far more blame lies at the feet of WB than either director.
One has to wonder what WB management was thinking and I hope they learn from it.
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