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d_k_c wrote: I'm probably wrong...Its been a long time...But someone remind me. Was there not contraversy surrounding this story?
I don't know if it was this one, but yes there was a controversy about one AK's stories (which ultimately caused him to shut down his own site and leave the genre).
According to Lfan it was the fact that one of his stories apparently copied a chapter straight froma Star Trek novel (so it's safe to assume it was this one).
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Anon wrote:
d_k_c wrote: I'm probably wrong...Its been a long time...But someone remind me. Was there not contraversy surrounding this story?
I don't know if it was this one, but yes there was a controversy about one AK's stories (which ultimately caused him to shut down his own site and leave the genre).
According to Lfan it was the fact that one of his stories apparently copied a chapter straight froma Star Trek novel (so it's safe to assume it was this one).
That's just a shame. He had a few stories that were copied straight from the AU, but he had so much more that was original work.
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d_k_c wrote: He left the genre for that reason? Thats really too bad. One of the best writers of the genre. I always wondered about that.
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d_k_c wrote: I'm probably wrong...Its been a long time...But someone remind me. Was there not contraversy surrounding this story?
I don't know if it was this one, but yes there was a controversy about one AK's stories (which ultimately caused him to shut down his own site and leave the genre).
According to Lfan it was the fact that one of his stories apparently copied a chapter straight froma Star Trek novel (so it's safe to assume it was this one).
That's just a shame. He had a few stories that were copied straight from the AU, but he had so much more that was original work.
I agree, while I didn't enjoy all of his works he had some of the best ongoing narrative around.
I admit I've tried to contact him, hoping to republish some of his stories (like Superior Girl) here, but he didn't answer my e-mail. Maybe I'll try again in the future.
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deathgeonous wrote: Wait a minute. So let me get this straight. AK, um..., went into retirement do to being charged with a case of Copyright Infringement? Or something like that? That's...... well... stupid is what I want to say. I mean, isn't there like some kinda law that fan fiction writers use that pretty much says, 'If I state I don't own this shit you can't do shit to me for writing this shit'? Seriously, I post a ton of fan fiction, or at least I used to, I haven't in a while do to real life problems, but I'm getting back into writing it, and as long as AK was smart enough to put a disclaimer in there, there really should not of been any legal problems for him. So, what am I missing here? I'd really like to know. And, yeah, if anyone can convince him to finish his stuff, I'd buy them a case of beer, cause I would LOVE to see The Superior Girl, and a bunch of his other stuff, finished. Actually, does anyone have a copy of Superior Girl with the pics? I have a cut and past version of that story, without the pics, and would love to get my hands on a with pic copy.
As far as I understand, the connection wasn't so direct, but the problem still stood: apparently the chapter in question was copied word-for-word, which is one of those things that skids along the limit between fanfic and copyright infringement.
As for Superior Girl, I've a .MHT version, it doesn't have the full sized pictures, but it keeps the small ones along with the text.
I would love to see AK's return soon, even if only to be able to see some of his old stories reposted.
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I would argue that "copied word-for-word" doesn't really skid along any limits, it pretty much runs off the rails. And an earlier post in this thread said he did it more than once. Outside of any legal issues, that's just wrong in a pretty reprehensible way. I'm sure that any author in our library would have a very strong reaction to seeing his work copied word for word and presented as the efforts of somebody else.Anon wrote: apparently the chapter in question was copied word-for-word, which is one of those things that skids along the limit between fanfic and copyright infringement.
(And if not, I'll have some really good material to submit for the next workshop!)
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That being said, his writing style on SWM, IMO - never really matched that of the stories on his web site. And AK's web site had long become dormant before the contraversy. I might be grasping at straws here....but is it possible that AK isn't the AK we assumed him to be?
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Many years years later, someone who called themselves AK plagiarized one of my stories word for word, calling it his work. It was a story I'd taken offline as I reorganzied my site. He didn't even fix the spelling errors in my original. I called him on it. Told him to ask for permission in the future. But never heard from him again.
Not sure what happened... perhaps someone had assumed his identity, or perhaps he'd just changed, which we all do over time. But it was inexplicable and totally uncharacteristic for him to resort to rank plagiarism. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my criticism at the time.
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d_k_c wrote: From what I gathered, or assumed, there were no legal issues. The whole thing simply came off as kind of awkward and embarrasing.
That being said, his writing style on SWM, IMO - never really matched that of the stories on his web site. And AK's web site had long become dormant before the contraversy. I might be grasping at straws here....but is it possible that AK isn't the AK we assumed him to be?
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shadar wrote: Not sure what happened... perhaps someone had assumed his identity, or perhaps he'd just changed, which we all do over time. But it was inexplicable and totally uncharacteristic for him to resort to rank plagiarism. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my criticism at the time.
I can't begin to claim any knowledge of this whole situation, but it would seem to me that somebody who would so willfully plagiarize other people's works would have no problem at all with assuming another person's online identity.
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shadar wrote: I wondered at that too. I once had lunch with AK in Boulder, CO in the mid-90's, back when he was really hitting his stride, and found him to be a reserved, almost shy Japanese-American man. In all other ways other than his enthusiastic writing, he was a very traditional Japanese gentleman. He liked to borrow ideas and spun off some of my plots and unfinished ideas, and that was completely OK. No problems. I always encouraged that with the AU.
Many years years later, someone who called themselves AK plagiarized one of my stories word for word, calling it his work. It was a story I'd taken offline as I reorganzied my site. He didn't even fix the spelling errors in my original. I called him on it. Told him to ask for permission in the future. But never heard from him again.
Not sure what happened... perhaps someone had assumed his identity, or perhaps he'd just changed, which we all do over time. But it was inexplicable and totally uncharacteristic for him to resort to rank plagiarism. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my criticism at the time.
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d_k_c wrote: From what I gathered, or assumed, there were no legal issues. The whole thing simply came off as kind of awkward and embarrasing.
That being said, his writing style on SWM, IMO - never really matched that of the stories on his web site. And AK's web site had long become dormant before the contraversy. I might be grasping at straws here....but is it possible that AK isn't the AK we assumed him to be?
At this point anything is possible.
Maybe it's time to try again and contact him outside of the usual channels (PM and stuff). As for his stories... well SWM host quite a varied number of styles and authors, I don't think that they will stick out too much.
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fats wrote: I'm going to move all posts talking about the issue of AK to a new thread this topic has become way off topic.
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Good idea.
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willow wrote: Yes, AK's site had become dormant before he finally disappeared entirely. I was a big fan of his Superior Girl series, which I thought was some of his best work. However, it was pretty obvious from the last couple of Superior Girl chapters that he seemed to be losing focus on having an overall story arc. That was too bad because he had seemed to be building up to something shortly before.
In case you don't already know, here's a Wayback Machine archive of his site:
web.archive.org/web/20080216121115/http:....infinitybridge.com/
Tarot Barnes contacting him a few years ago when he took over the Infinity Bridge memorial site (Douglas MacBeth, aka S.T. Mac), to which Julie of Velor had been a subdomain at the time -- AK's site had several different hosts over the years. But AK either wouldn't go along with continuing the subdomain or just didn't respond -- I forget which.
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Well, all stories by him, but specially the "L&F" stories. Been looking all over the place for them.
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marcoasalazarm wrote: Quick question regarding Tarot Barnes as well (sorry for asking): Anybody here has copy files (or a Wayback Machine link, whatever) to his "Linith and Fare" stories?
Well, all stories by him, but specially the "L&F" stories. Been looking all over the place for them.
Alas, nothing turns up on the Wayback Machine. Tarot has worked off-and-on on a new version of L&F, with different names (mostly Nordic) for Velor and the Velorians, but he hasn't actually put up a new site for them. He's occasionally posted drafts at AURG, but not recently. I do have one of his old serials, AURORA'S TALE, at The Bright Empire, but that has nothing to do with L&F.
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