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Question to members
I've been looking at the stats for the site and we are currently getting around 1000 hits per day (that's without bots) but the level of forum activity is nothing like that, so my question to new members and to members who have not posted before is.
What would get you posting to the site?
Is there something that is blocking you from posting, is there a type of topic that would get you posting, or is there nothing that needs to be done and you are happy with the site as it is.
Can you please post a reply with your views.
Lastly, can I ask for active members not to post here, I would like new and inactive members to reply to this thread only so that I can get a sense of what is required.
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Maybe some people are just embarrassed about having a fetish for superheroines? That would explain all the lurking without much posting.
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1) I'm not that fluent in English
2) My fetish is more focus on F/F jealousy or unfairness (Super vs. mere moral stick quite well with this fetish) which is not particularly the main goal here.
Anyway, I still thank you for maintaining this site which appears to be unique
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What stops me from commenting or participating in discussions is probably a different thing: Although I know it's actually the least thing you should do for the authors of the stuff in the library that we consume, I often find it tedious to make the effort and write more than just the usual "Wow - I loved it! Great story!" every time I like a story. Writing more than that would mean providing actual critique, and I am - please don't take this disrespectfully - not willing to spend the time and effort needed for that kind of response.
Concerning forum discussions: I'm in Germany, have never consumed any actual DC or Marvel comics, am completely out of the loop when it comes to the TV shows you guys talk about in the forums and simply don't have the knowledge to take part in most of the discussions that are currently running.
Still, I come here several times a day and would hate to miss this page!
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I really love this site.
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I wonder if we could get some mileage out of reviving the "request" areas so people could express what they'd like to see. I occasionally write based on other people's tastes just to get a feel for what's involved.
Now some long rambling structural observations (seriously, you can skip this)-

There's the feedback threads. I think these have been a good tool for discussion because it's possible to see that a story has been recently read and garnered new comments from the front page. Its eye-catching and lively.
One tool I don't think most people realize is there is the option to subscribe to a story at the top, adding it to your favorites list. Its a good tool to let the author know you have continuing interest. Its helpful for navigating back to a story later and signs you up for an email if the author makes changes. I admit, I wish more people clicked this button on my stories. I wonder if it would help to have that button at both the top and the bottom so its on the screen when you finish reading.
There's the notebook and announcement threads; They're nice because they give you an easy one-touch "thank you" button. Folks can announce their engagement without needing to write anything.
Finally we have direct messaging (chat & messages). I like to use them for the personal touch (thanking enthusiastic readers, handling more delicate conversations) but again, it's not what all the users are here for, so I'm not put out if someone doesn't reply.
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Surprising for me is also the lack of good girl heroics, with more stories skewing about a bored "supergirl" just looking for an outlet mostly by showing up and smashing stuff.
Not much variety with the protagonists. Focused too much with the "brick" archetype which though I like doesn't encourage or create new discussion. IMO
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Surprising for me is also the lack of good girl heroics, with more stories skewing about a bored "supergirl" just looking for an outlet mostly by showing up and smashing stuff.
Interesting that you say that. The idea of creating a benevolent universe of characters, albeit flawed, was one of my original motivations back when I created the AU back in the early 90's. Almost everything I'd read on-line up to then was bad/evil ubergirls and female domination stuff.
What is interesting is that 25 years later, most genre fiction is still about a woman getting power and then abusing it. I'm sure there are good reasons for this, but its not my usual cup of tea.
I think every story needs a hero (heroine) with a good heart, albeit struggling to hold to her beliefs. Of course she needs bad guys to fight, but not stereotypical ones. Beating up on ordinary people is no fun. Fighting powerful aliens levels the playing field.
The best heroes lose a few battles before they finally, at great cost, win the war.
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Personally, I think it's just the general shift that culture has gone through. There seems to have been a bit of a lag time to propogate, but it's the logical progression. We went through the anti-hero fetishism of the 90s, then had a period of glorifying pure heroes once again in the early aughts, then settled back into a period of more grey and black types of characters.shadar wrote:
<snip>Wulfmir wrote:
The best heroes lose a few battles before they finally, at great cost, win the war.
On the other hand, I'd also argue that these are two very different kinds of stories. Traditional stories tend to need a protagonist of some sort, if not a hero, and while you can go grey with that, having an outright villainous protagonist doesn't really work since it makes the reader less able to sympathize for the most part. That can be something intentional on the part of the writer, given that a superhuman is inherently unrelatable if not unsympathetic, but it's much trickier to do, and in those cases you run the risk of having the antagonist (whether a normal person or another super) become more sympathetic than the protagonist.
The second kind of stories, what I feel have become more common, are sandbox, wish fulfillment stories. These are the kinds of stories where the character will just go on a rampage and generally be a bad person, The literary equivalent of junk food, these stories are enjoyable, particularly in a genre like this that has many things available to showcase, but they are less filling than a 'proper' story.
In my opinion, bad superheroines (or outright villain protagonists) can be viable, if the story isn't about the character itself. It could be about their turn, how their character changed or possibly never changed at all. In those cases though, power isn't in itself important, but rather a vector for the character itself.
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SWM IS a niche site that features stories and discussions (hopefully) that the latter type of individual could not find elsewhere. We love superstrong, kickass women and that's what led to the creation of SGI, ubergirls.org, and now the amalgamated version which is SWM. Back then, there was almost NOTHING in the mainstream -- aside from an occassional comic appearance -- so we had to create our own content and foster relationships with genre producers like the Steeles. Heck, you were even hard pressed to find superheroine art online (anyone remember PencilJack.com?). Now, art is a click away thanks to DA....relationships are fostered va Facebook and other social media outlets....and it seems that powerful females in mainstream media is now tres chic! This new "mainstream" audience is much larger, and we would be remiss if we didn't try and cater a bit to some of these "casual fans" and try and get them hooked on our site.
My hope was having the different perspectives would open up MORE conversation, but its almost been the opposite. The last few months have seen a number of new users join, but the forum interaction has not. With the start of the Supergirl series, I will be honest that I was surprised over the lukewarm response to it. Admitingly it has issues, but I thought people -- old guard in the genre like me --- would be doing backflips over the opportunity to see a big budget (TV) superheroine, but maybe its still so far from some fantasies' here that it is counter-productive.
I think the topics that garner the most interaction with users are the topics that are specific to the SWM and the stories, but you can only ask "What's everyone's Top 5 stories" so many times

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The moderators want to keep everything open, but then it's the contributors who ultimately steer the site in that case. It takes enthusiasm to write a story.
I've written stories from both sides of this during the last 25 years, so I don't judge anyone, but I personally have less interest in the fetish side these days. As soon as I sense a story is going there, I stop reading. But that's me.
I like R-rated (for hetero sexual situations) science fiction-oriented (no magic) superheroine fiction with a clear protagonist and bad guys who severely challenge the hero. I prefer morally ambiguous and "ends justifies the means" (or not) kind of themes. The social and legal (and even religious) implications of superheroes are interesting to speculate on. Very much the "what if someone like this really came to Earth" kind of thing. How would the public/media/religion/police/governments realistically handle someone who is not only potentially outside the capabilities of law enforcement, but also outside the boundaries of human experience?
One thing for sure... the reaction would be extreme and highly varied. God or devil? Crime-fighter or vigilante? Hero or villain? A threat to governments or a supporter of a government? One thing is for sure... governments freak out when they face threats they can't control. Especially the big powers.
Marvel comics has always done this far better than DC. Yet I am incurably drawn to Kryptonians. My own quandary.
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AuGoose pointed out that there are many way on this site to leave feedback (perhaps a little too many) and that different kind of feedback can be funneled in different ways.
Regarding the subject of the site being very one-tracked ... I have to agree, at least partially, with Wulfmir's opinion: often we, as writers, tend to gravitate toward the known and the familiar either because our preference are bound that way or because it's easier to return to places already visited.
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I'm sort of the opposite. Just saying "great story" doesn't interest me much. I want to dig in to why it's great; both to explore my own opinions and the hear others'. I don't want to just be critical, but it's not very illuminating when a thread is just people agreeing with one another. I de-lurked back in May to comment on a story that I thought was at a particularly fascinating point (and almost all my posts have been in that thread). It sort of backfired, though. The discussion, which I thought was a great adjunct to the story, has caused the author to take a break from continuing it. I thought the differing opinions in that thread meant that the story had found a sweet spot between right and wrong, between what you can do and what you should, what obligations you have to those you love, all sorts of different issues. I'm sorry that I contributed to derailing things. Maybe I should just hold my thoughts until a story is over.Esteban wrote: What stops me from commenting or participating in discussions is probably a different thing: Although I know it's actually the least thing you should do for the authors of the stuff in the library that we consume, I often find it tedious to make the effort and write more than just the usual "Wow - I loved it! Great story!" every time I like a story. Writing more than that would mean providing actual critique, and I am - please don't take this disrespectfully - not willing to spend the time and effort needed for that kind of response.
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Pepper wrote: I de-lurked back in May to comment on a story that I thought was at a particularly fascinating point (and almost all my posts have been in that thread). It sort of backfired, though. The discussion, which I thought was a great adjunct to the story, has caused the author to take a break from continuing it. I thought the differing opinions in that thread meant that the story had found a sweet spot between right and wrong, between what you can do and what you should, what obligations you have to those you love, all sorts of different issues. I'm sorry that I contributed to derailing things. Maybe I should just hold my thoughts until a story is over.
Things derailed, but not because of you. I really appreciated your posts and hope you continue.
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I'm a big fan of the genre but don't think I have much to contribute, it has been said earlier that a "great story" kind of comment seems quite pointless compared to some of the very detailed replies some of the more frequent contributers. A simple great story also adds a new notification to the thread so clicking the link to see just that is quite annoying.
I can appreciate that feedback, especially positive, would be welcome so if I think I have anything worthwhile to say I will.
Another reason I don't contribute much is because I have fat fingers and am using a phone; this message has taken about 20 minutes.
Cheers
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McVee wrote: This might be my first message, although I have started to give thanks.
I'm a big fan of the genre but don't think I have much to contribute, it has been said earlier that a "great story" kind of comment seems quite pointless compared to some of the very detailed replies some of the more frequent contributers. A simple great story also adds a new notification to the thread so clicking the link to see just that is quite annoying.
I can appreciate that feedback, especially positive, would be welcome so if I think I have anything worthwhile to say I will.
Another reason I don't contribute much is because I have fat fingers and am using a phone; this message has taken about 20 minutes.
Cheers
A couple of months back I added two emoji, for general purpose use, but also for giving quick feedback in a fun way for fans who didn't want to commit to a full review. Let me demonstrate...
McVee, I give your message...
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I hope members will find them useful.
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That's nice of you to say. But I was part of the discussion, so I played some part in how it wound up.circes_cup wrote: Things derailed, but not because of you. I really appreciated your posts and hope you continue.
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Someone once said that praise is like wine, but criticism is meat and potatoes. You can't improve as a writer if you're drunk or starving to death.
My theory is if you have the courage to put your fantasies out there, you have to be prepared for whatever comes back.
A thumbs-down with no explanation is the worst.
No feedback is almost as bad.
A negative review with a few sentences why is very useful.
And of course, we all love praise. But like the wine, too much of it goes to your head.
The ultimate is a mix of praise and criticism, because then we know what works and what doesn't. A couple of sentences can say a lot.
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Also, It seems to me that a superheroine that is being strangled and tortured is more the norm for our genre. It's so normal, that I'm embarrassed to like superheroines for fear that i'd be placed under that umbrella. But, lets be clear, If a girl is independent, strong, intelligent attractive...and as well, happens to have all the powers of Superman? Well, I confess, I'm probably going to like her. Call me crazy, but I don't think that's weird.
So, there are a lot of people out there. that will check this site out, but never comment. That's a reality that will never change. However, I cant help but think that this site has never been more active. Everytime Iog in there is a new comment or a new thread.
But, I would say, every time there is a disagreement, even in the mildest of terms, moderators come in and close the thread....A brand of ultra sensitivity I've never before witnessed. Sometimes arguments are a good thing, unless someone is being obviously and deliberately rude....let it continue.
What I would suggest this site needs is a dedicated photo gallery. For Superwoman, Wonderwoman, Catwoman....etc many other sites do it. Ive always been cutious why SWM hasn't.
So to everyone whos running and contributing to this site....good job...keep up the good work
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