Wicked City Girls reviews on HM

21 Jan 2015 13:58 #39926 by gomaller

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It seem that Wicked City Girls has made it on a certain peril / super heroine site and they gave a review on it a few days ago but I would like to see everybody thoughts or there opinions of there review on that site, here the link www.heroinemovies.com/wicked-city-girls-...and-2-video-reviews/ I wanna see mostly everybody opinion first before I give mines, so let's discuss.

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21 Jan 2015 16:17 - 21 Jan 2015 16:18 #39928 by Helstar

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HM is not 'strictly' a peril site. They also review all Kick Ass Kandy clips (among other 'girl power' and of course a lot of peril ones).

I also think the admin is a big fan of them too, just saying :whistle:

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21 Jan 2015 16:44 #39929 by lfan

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gomaller wrote: It seem that Wicked City Girls has made it on a certain peril / super heroine site and they gave a review on it a few days ago but I would like to see everybody thoughts or there opinions of there review on that site, here the link www.heroinemovies.com/wicked-city-girls-...and-2-video-reviews/ I wanna see mostly everybody opinion first before I give mines, so let's discuss.

I saw it too, and I personally thought HM's review was kinda lukewarm and not a great endorsement of WCG to the GP community. Herein, lies my rant with so many producers on that side of the fence (and I've emailed them and talked with them SO many times about this):

Girl Power to them = heroine costume and she "wins". Period. I keep telling them that the majority of audience relishes in the "power" side of the fantasy -- and to the the level of "super" power -- not just girl-fu! We can watch "normal" girls kickass all over the place in mainstream movies (e.g. Hunger Games, Divergent) and on TV (BtVS, Continuum, Vampire Diaries, Originals, etc) but it's the use of superpowers (and relishing their use) that a lot of us seem to gravitate towards. While there are different sub-genres to the superheroine genre (e.g. peril, pantyhose, chloroform, feet, throat lifting) it seems "superpowers" is the most misunderstood, at least in my mind. As such, the reviewer I think is off-base when he tries to define the "girl power" crowd. It doesn't have to be heroine-based (though some like that) but merely that the protagonist displays SUPERpowers and exhibits them. I can't understand why its so hard to understand.....

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22 Jan 2015 11:25 - 24 Jan 2015 09:53 #39947 by Woodclaw

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lfan wrote:
gomaller wrote: It seem that Wicked City Girls has made it on a certain peril / super heroine site and they gave a review on it a few days ago but I would like to see everybody thoughts or there opinions of there review on that site, here the link www.heroinemovies.com/wicked-city-girls-...and-2-video-reviews/ I wanna see mostly everybody opinion first before I give mines, so let's discuss.

I saw it too, and I personally thought HM's review was kinda lukewarm and not a great endorsement of WCG to the GP community. Herein, lies my rant with so many producers on that side of the fence (and I've emailed them and talked with them SO many times about this):

Girl Power to them = heroine costume and she "wins". Period. I keep telling them that the majority of audience relishes in the "power" side of the fantasy -- and to the the level of "super" power -- not just girl-fu! We can watch "normal" girls kickass all over the place in mainstream movies (e.g. Hunger Games, Divergent) and on TV (BtVS, Continuum, Vampire Diaries, Originals, etc) but it's the use of superpowers (and relishing their use) that a lot of us seem to gravitate towards. While there are different sub-genres to the superheroine genre (e.g. peril, pantyhose, chloroform, feet, throat lifting) it seems "superpowers" is the most misunderstood, at least in my mind. As such, the reviewer I think is off-base when he tries to define the "girl power" crowd. It doesn't have to be heroine-based (though some like that) but merely that the protagonist displays SUPERpowers and exhibits them. I can't understand why its so hard to understand.....

ElF

I agree with eLF that the review was lukewarm at best and had a weird format too. I don't claim to be an expert on reviews, but the author pretty much gave a mild spoiler of the two videos and call it a day only to provide multiple things that he likes/dislikes after the end of the supposed review. This is a very strange format for a review and it's not organic, it doesn't seem to provide a good insight in the production values doesn't really work for me.

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24 Jan 2015 00:39 #39967 by JessP

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Honestly, I'm questioning our decision in letting them review our stuff.
Heroine Movies is obviously used to reviewing videos that fall into the "whack-off material" category. That's definitely NOT what we're trying to do with Wicked City Girls, and I think that really threw their reviewer off. Approaching something like Wild Card: Deception with the same mentality that you'd apply to, let's say a peril video, just doesn't work. I'm not putting anybody down, I'm just saying it's apples and oranges.
Even something like Kick Ass Kandy is wildly different than what we do.
The thing that really offends me about the review, is that their critic blatantly spoiled the endings for both stories. (A Spoiler Alert would've been nice!)
The simple fact that it didn't even occur to the reviewer that some people may actually care about the narrative really illustrates just how little respect they (and a good portion of the fan base) have for the genre. Not cool.

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24 Jan 2015 02:29 - 24 Jan 2015 02:30 #39975 by Revan

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JessP wrote: Honestly, I'm questioning our decision in letting them review our stuff.
Heroine Movies is obviously used to reviewing videos that fall into the "whack-off material" category. That's definitely NOT what we're trying to do with Wicked City Girls, and I think that really threw their reviewer off. Approaching something like Wild Card: Deception with the same mentality that you'd apply to, let's say a peril video, just doesn't work. I'm not putting anybody down, I'm just saying it's apples and oranges.
Even something like Kick Ass Kandy is wildly different than what we do.
The thing that really offends me about the review, is that their critic blatantly spoiled the endings for both stories. (A Spoiler Alert would've been nice!)
The simple fact that it didn't even occur to the reviewer that some people may actually care about the narrative really illustrates just how little respect they (and a good portion of the fan base) have for the genre. Not cool.

Jess

The review feels like they gave a toddler a book. He might appreciate the pretty pictures but the content and meaning are lost on him.
Sadly he does a rather poor job of actually trying to adjust for the fact your videos are not his cup of tea.

Ow well, live and learn I suppose. At least judging from the comments on that article it has put your material on several people's radar.

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24 Jan 2015 03:11 #39978 by Markiehoe

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I stopped going to Heroine Movies a long time ago.
I popped in to check the review.
Same batch of Peril videos and wrestling.
HM and Sidekick seem to be good guys but they know their audience.
They freely give spoilers in the reviews because most consumers over there don't care about story.
All they want are the bullet point hits in the videos.
These movies follow a formula and you better stick to it.
We have had producers put videos on this site with a checklist of what you will see in the video.
Including such fun things as Heroine Death.
No thanks.
I'd rather watch a movie with a story.

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24 Jan 2015 04:39 #39980 by jimbob

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They blatantly give away the plot so their typical audience will gauge whether to buy the film or not based on if stuff they want to see is in it. It's apparantly not worth their money to be pleasantly surprised.

Although to be fair some of those films they review like the Japanese stuff is pretty freaking expensive and you don't want to blow that kind of money only to find out you were disapointed.

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24 Jan 2015 13:15 #39983 by Sarge395

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JessP, just let it roll off your back. In today's world any publicity will gather eyeballs and ears. Some of those over there that read it will be interested and click on the links or search it out. I can stomach a little peril now and then as long as it isn't the typical horrible mess that most people on HM enjoy. I have even purchased some just to watch 'the good parts' and made my own edited versions.

Lesson learned. Move along, nothing to see there.

You might consider filming alternate plot lines to market to different audiences. I know that is easier said than done. Just a thought.

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24 Jan 2015 13:22 #39984 by SHTL

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Agree with Jess.

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24 Jan 2015 17:45 #39997 by paulwitz

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Hi, Jess. They just handed you a great script for a video for free. I would love to see you use this to your advantage. What I mean, is that you could make a video about the reviewer of your videos just not "getting it" and writing a misinformed article. You could send one or two of your girls to teach him the error of ignorance especially when "reviewing" videos about super strong women. Make lemonade out of those lemon heads. You make great videos.

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24 Jan 2015 18:11 #40000 by AlbertC

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I don't know if it is just a personal impression but... Jess is getting even more super with the time, she can do everything that I'll applause, and the other girls are also amazing.

I gave up of asking for superbreath but the heat vision and some super strength I believe that is awesome

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27 Jan 2015 14:34 #40038 by JessP

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I think the biggest takeaway here is that us Girl Power fans need to have a much bigger presence on the InterWebs than we currently do. We need our own version of Heroine Movies; the fetish side of the genre is more than well-represented.
Hopefully somebody steps up soon!
@paulwitz:
Yeah, I might have to pass your idea off as my own

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27 Jan 2015 18:51 #40046 by lfan

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JessP wrote: .....We need our own version of Heroine Movies; the fetish side of the genre is more than well-represented.

I kinda thought that was SWM..... :unsure:

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27 Jan 2015 19:22 #40047 by SHTL

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me too....

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27 Jan 2015 19:51 #40048 by castor

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I see Jesses Point.

Was looking for Reviews of Artemis on IMDB....and nothing. Nada. And that is a feature film. A review site maybe a good idea.

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27 Jan 2015 22:28 #40052 by JessP

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@ElF
I mean a dedicated review site! Stop trying to make me kill you! :lol:

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27 Jan 2015 22:30 #40053 by Sarge395

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JessP there is another wanna be victim. hah.

Why not just a new thread with well done reviews? On this forum I mean. Would rather not go to another site. Keep the focus here please.

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27 Jan 2015 22:39 #40056 by Woodclaw

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JessP wrote: @ElF
I mean a dedicated review site! Stop trying to make me kill you!

Because you really need a reason, don't you?

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28 Jan 2015 01:56 #40059 by JessP

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@Sarge395: Maybe an actual section; threads get buried too quickly!
@Woodclaw: You make a good point...

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03 Feb 2015 22:42 #40227 by gomaller

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I'm loving the reponses this thread is getting, I agree with most of you I will give my opinion a little later on.

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03 Feb 2015 22:58 #40229 by gomaller

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Helstar wrote: HM is not 'strictly' a peril site. They also review all Kick Ass Kandy clips (among other 'girl power' and of course a lot of peril ones).

I also think the admin is a big fan of them too, just saying

I have to disagree with you on here Helstar, just because they have kickasskandy and barely a few but semi girl power material that they review on that site, doesn't mean there for girl power at all if it doesn't have elements of peril and superheroine traits with in girl power film genre, there so much I can elaborate on this but I will l wait later to give my opinion on the matter.

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04 Feb 2015 01:47 - 04 Feb 2015 01:55 #40231 by Helstar

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There is not a *lot* of girl power videos out there ... so it's obvious the balance is towards the peril or (even worse) p0rn ones.

Anyway, now I see what's the perception here, in general: if the lead heroine (superpowers or not) gets even one single touch from any single opponent and dominate the rest of clip, it's still considered a "peril" one ^^;

In that case yes, there are no girl power clips reviews there - except the one in subject (which is not very good, I agree) and maybe some old ones from JonX (examples: www.heroinemovies.com/superheroinefilms-...er-wish-part-1-and-2 or www.heroinemovies.com/anastasiya-breadso...nefilms-dna-disaster )

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04 Feb 2015 02:39 - 04 Feb 2015 04:42 #40234 by castor

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Helstar wrote:
Anyway, now I see what's the perception here, in general: if the lead heroine (superpowers or not) gets even one single touch from any single opponent and dominate the rest of clip, it's still considered a "peril" one

I wouldn't say that.

If so t a lot of the stories i write would be peril stories... as well as stories on the site.

Plenty of stories and live action(whether film or videos) involve taking a punch, getting punch maybe even loosing a bit-typically at the end. Its drama. percent its borring. which is another word in a sence for Perril, but a distinction.

There is a blackwell like line "well i know it when i see it". but some "rules"

1. If the fight ever stops and the heroine is unconcious for what ever reason and then restarts-its probabbly perril.

2. If She looses at the end-i wouldn't even necessarily say it has to be perril-but if in looseing she takes a prolonged unnecessary damage- its peril.

3. Restraints of pretty much any kind...chains, handcuffs ropes...probably peril (though if she breaks out of it by herself...ehh)

4. Numbers are tricky...but i would say if more then 60% aren't either shes winning or evenly matched..it could be peril.

5. Tone is the big one. If the tone is that the heroine has to be punished, thats she weak helplessand unworthy-and thats the feel...thats 100 percent peril.

But well millage may vary.

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04 Feb 2015 02:49 #40235 by JessP

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I think the primary focus of Heroine Movies is obviously on the fetish/porn side of things. And that's exactly what's holding the genre back. Looking at the responses, it's easy to see how nearly all "super heroine" videos are made.
"Beat the crap out of the girl, but make sure she gets a few shots in to draw the girl power fans." "Show the girl dominating the guy, but let him get a few swipes in to appease the peril fans."
"Have the girl take her shoes off to please the foot fetish fans." I could go on and on.
Here's a thought: Write a good story and film it! Instead of trying to take as much money from as many different fan groups as possible, treat the material with respect. With Wicked City Girls, I write scripts, I think about the characters, I work my ass off to make something that we're proud of. What I don't do is start every episode off with a "fetish checklist."
Trying to placate everybody is the equivalent of a dog chasing its tail and that's not what we're gonna do. I'm looking to evolve this genre into something more than masturbation material. Some people won't ever understand that, some people will probably hate me for it, but I don't really care. Somebody has to start moving things forward and dammit, I'm gonna do my part

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