- Posts: 1576
- Thank you received: 503
New Ms. Marvel....umm......
d_k_c wrote: That's even worst
To designate a character to a particular religion means that you'll have to address the Religion in your story line. Obviously you are going to show your religion in a positive light. Considering that the majority of people who buy comics are under 20, what exactly is the intention?
But lets put this in prospective...This is offensive no matter what color you paint it.
Introducing, Super Catholic Girl? Republican Liberty? Jehovah's Marvel? Democratic Justice....He's a man but with a donkey head!
Cmon! Really?
I haven't been this upset since somebody suggested Squirrel girl would be a great movie.
Comics have been pretty good at that over the years:
Huntress is for example a character who has cross on her costume, and has never shyed away from saying "Shes Cathloc". Also Punisher, and a couple of other characters have been speicifically cathloc. A lot more speicifically Christian.
This is true for other stuff to. The Thing for example is jewish(he doesn't look jewish but). Less big but there have been muslim characters before-though i can't think of any that have there own book. Can't think of any Jehovahs Witness characters, but it is kind of a small sect. And Batman, and the Question are both specifically atheists.
As for politics, yes you rarely get democrats or republicans other then jokes, but i think thats more to do with fear of people saying "He wants to vote a certain" way which is verbotem in american pop culture(except in political movies- and even then-its rare for characters to be part of this or that political party).
And this is true in books, TV and movies. Lot of stuff for children deals in this kind of stuff. What is intresting is that this a character from New Jersey. Islam isn't a religion off in the exotic east. its american, which you know good for them for showing.
This is diversity-in addition to religion, you get race, sexual orientation, what have you. Also on Superwomen mania-gender. One could use the claim of tokenism-but in small sample size comics what are you going to do? there is not offensive about it at all.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- castor
- Offline
- Platinum Member
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- d_k_c
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 422
- Thank you received: 307
d_k_c wrote: Alright Castor....I'll take your side....But you want diversity? lets make her a Lesbian Muslim, lets see how that flies in the creators Islamic tradition.
Book isn't debuted yet.
I suspect homosexuality will come up at some point in its run(if it lasts any length of time). Whether she's gay or someone she meets is gay i can't say.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- castor
- Offline
- Platinum Member
- Posts: 1576
- Thank you received: 503
d_k_c wrote: You hit the nail on the head Skye...You shouldn't respond to trolls.
Unlike many in SWM, I'm never offended. So I actually appreciate that comment. Its an acknowledgment that, clearly, I offended you. So I apologize for that...And clearly...we are in agreement.
Climate change? You mean that thing that been happening for a billion years...Yeah...I agree with you on that as well
*hugs d_k_c* Damn, could you clone yourself a few million times and come to Germany? I wish even half of the green or industrial "fundamentalists" I meet would acknowledge both of these points so quickly.
Also, if you weren't trying to troll, I'd like to apologize as well. As you might be able to imagine, those two words are kind of a trigger to put someone into either the stupid or troll category and I don't think you're stupid. (... I better re-read that sentence a couple of times before submitting.)
On to other things. I actually always thought, The Thing, or at least his appearance was supposed to be a nod towards the Golem. And while the Golem might not have been jewish per se, it is one of the very few beings from religous myths and stories that I do remember.
Now that I'm thinking about this a bit more, I find the lack of religion (or atheism and agnosticism) and politics in movies, comics, etc. a bit sad. A fine example of how this stuff can improve or even build a character from the ground up, in my opinion, is Will McAvoy from The Newsroom. A self-confessed Republican with, let's say disrespect for the Tea Party and views all over the field, he is one of two reasons I'm watching that show. (And yes, I'd also say that he's a Democrat.
Without that, with their Anchor being just some womanizing, drug-consuming cliche, I don't think that even the goodwill for choosing Deepwater Horizon as their first story would have gotten me to watch more than a few episodes.
An intelligent integration of this stuff into the character's depiction could actually get me to follow a comic series again.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Skye
- Offline
- Junior Member
- Posts: 54
- Thank you received: 33
I know how to get under people's skin, its kind of a fault....But i'm working on it =) Troll? Stuipid? I'm good with both
And I hope that you know, Never in a million years would I demean your profession. I sincerely hope that, that's not how I came across
Hugs!
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- d_k_c
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 422
- Thank you received: 307
geekseven wrote: Relax, Carol Danvers is still around.
She assumed the name Captain Marvel a couple of years ago, along with a more practical costume. She has her own book and is an Avengers regular.
Thanks. I knew there was a Captain Marvel book out there with Carol Danvers but did not know if they were ending it and replacing her with this new Ms. Marvel. If we have both Carol as Captain Marvel and a new Ms. Marvel I am okay with it.
However, I can see this comic book being a train wreck. Are the writers going to take any risks in regards to Islam? Like depicting Muhammed? Having Ms. Marvel question her Islamic upbringing and beliefs? Etc...I would bet not, unless they could get a Fatwa put on them. Which would lead to boring stories and, eventually, cancellation.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- jdrock24
- Offline
- Elite Member
- Posts: 1015
- Thank you received: 205
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- yohashuan
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 329
- Thank you received: 83
d_k_c wrote: Alright Castor....I'll take your side....But you want diversity? lets make her a Lesbian Muslim, lets see how that flies in the creators Islamic tradition.
Let's just say that Marvel has a history of making bad decisions in the attempt to be extra-progressive. Case in point: Monica Rambeau, aka Capfain Marvel II, aka Photon. When she was inteoduced her characterization was just being a afro-american woman that was suddenly put in charge of the Avengers. Later writers triednto gave her a bit more depth, but in general she hadnto bear the mark of being a character characterizazed just by her gender and etnicity.
Giving a character a strong religious/etnical/political background might a be a good move, but only if it's supported by enough characterization to make the character something more than a walking cliche.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Woodclaw
- Offline
- Administrator
- Posts: 3605
- Thank you received: 1991
yohashuan wrote: It's not "The Adventures of Muslim Girl," she's just a girl who's Muslim. Chillax people.
Then why did Marvel feel the need to point out that she is Muslim?
I'll tell you why. They wanted comic book buyers to say "Wow! Marvel is edgy! They have a Muslim superhero now? That is cool!"
However, that is a double edged sword. If they want the increased media attention by creating the "first" Muslim superhero and promoting it as such, then the public is going to expect stories about how her religion squares with her abilities and what she does.
Personally, I wonder if the creators will take any risks in regards to her religion and what, if any, backlash will come from that.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- jdrock24
- Offline
- Elite Member
- Posts: 1015
- Thank you received: 205
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- thewisewatcher
- Offline
- Junior Member
- Posts: 62
- Thank you received: 19
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Artnico
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 481
- Thank you received: 103
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- SCOTT R
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 313
- Thank you received: 242
www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report.../ms--marvel-s-reboot
ElF
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- lfan
- Topic Author
- Offline
- Administrator
- Posts: 3913
- Thank you received: 2942
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- SCOTT R
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 313
- Thank you received: 242
ElF
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- lfan
- Topic Author
- Offline
- Administrator
- Posts: 3913
- Thank you received: 2942
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Woodclaw
- Offline
- Administrator
- Posts: 3605
- Thank you received: 1991
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Random321
- Offline
- Elite Member
- Posts: 1161
- Thank you received: 558
This is hardly new or groundbreaking.
This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Markiehoe
- Offline
- Platinum Member
- Posts: 1995
- Thank you received: 1630
Markiehoe wrote: Have we all forgotten about the Burka Avenger already.
This is hardly new or groundbreaking.
To forget about them, you have to know about them, I suppose! I'd venture to say that Teshkeel's "The 99" probably has 1-2 Muslim girls in their stable, and they've been around for a while as well (30+ issues).
ElF
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- lfan
- Topic Author
- Offline
- Administrator
- Posts: 3913
- Thank you received: 2942
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Markiehoe
- Offline
- Platinum Member
- Posts: 1995
- Thank you received: 1630
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- steelknight3000
- Offline
- Senior Member
- Posts: 464
- Thank you received: 127
tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/latest-late-n...rhero-173752972.html
fats
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- fats
- Away
- Administrator
- Posts: 2423
- Thank you received: 3732
"If you threaten our son again, I'll put my heel through your skull"
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- arvin sloane
- Offline
- Junior Member
- Posts: 112
- Thank you received: 27
For anyone knows it could be a great comic, but it won't sell.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- goatboy
- Offline
- New Member
- Posts: 7
- Thank you received: 0
fats wrote: here is where the mainstream media goes nuts
tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/latest-late-n...rhero-173752972.html
fats
Don't want to say "I told you so" but...
This is exactly why Marvel felt the need to brand her "the first female Muslim super hero". They knew someone would dare to make a joke about it and the PC police would be all over them, thus increasing their publicity.
By the way, love this line in the article: "...Ms. Marvel, is a typical 16-year-old whose religion doesn't play a major role." So they brand her as "the first Muslim super hero" but her religion doesn't play a major role? Then why in the heck did you feel the need to make her Muslim? If you are going to use it for publicity, then you better go all the way...
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- jdrock24
- Offline
- Elite Member
- Posts: 1015
- Thank you received: 205