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02 Dec 2011 10:33 #25596 by inactive

lfan wrote: Guys --

I just sent FATS an email to go ahead and post the submited stories so far tomorrow, time permitting. My travel plans changed and I won't go into details, but I will not be able to post them tomorrow. Hopefully FATS can....if not, I'll post them as soon as I can.

While my travel was expected, I got throw a personal curve ball earlier this evening so my apologies!

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02 Dec 2011 19:21 #25599 by fats
got the email from lfan and i'll have up soon.

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02 Dec 2011 20:25 #25601 by inactive

fats wrote: got the email from lfan and i'll have up soon.

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Thanks, fats. I see them up there now. For some reason, the second part of my story shows as a blank page when I try to open it. Parts 1 and 3 open up fine.

Let me know if you need me to do something on my end.

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02 Dec 2011 20:50 #25602 by fats

DietSnapple71 wrote:

fats wrote: got the email from lfan and i'll have up soon.

Fats


Thanks, fats. I see them up there now. For some reason, the second part of my story shows as a blank page when I try to open it. Parts 1 and 3 open up fine.

Let me know if you need me to do something on my end.


it's strange, the story is there i can view it via the backend, but for some reason it will not show up on the site.

I'm looking in to it now.

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03 Dec 2011 03:31 #25604 by deathgeonous
Just letting you know, part two, rage is still blank.

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03 Dec 2011 04:28 #25606 by fats
OK, i've looked over part 2 and i can not find a reason for it's not showing, i've asked G7 to resubmit and we will take it from there.

hopefully it can be sorted tomorrow.

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03 Dec 2011 08:54 #25609 by inactive

fats wrote: OK, i've looked over part 2 and i can not find a reason for it's not showing, i've asked G7 to resubmit and we will take it from there.

hopefully it can be sorted tomorrow.

Fats


Okay, I just resubmitted part 2.

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03 Dec 2011 10:15 #25610 by fats

DietSnapple71 wrote:

fats wrote: OK, i've looked over part 2 and i can not find a reason for it's not showing, i've asked G7 to resubmit and we will take it from there.

hopefully it can be sorted tomorrow.

Fats


Okay, I just resubmitted part 2.


and now it works.

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03 Dec 2011 10:26 #25611 by inactive

fats wrote:

DietSnapple71 wrote:

fats wrote: OK, i've looked over part 2 and i can not find a reason for it's not showing, i've asked G7 to resubmit and we will take it from there.

hopefully it can be sorted tomorrow.

Fats


Okay, I just resubmitted part 2.


and now it works.

fats


Thank you, fats!

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04 Dec 2011 06:24 #25616 by sgfan05
Awesome entries, my favorite though had to be Three Superwomen of Multiple Earths.

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04 Dec 2011 11:28 #25619 by inactive
Oof, the formatting is messed up at the end of Part 3, I don't know why.

I just spent 15 minutes fixing it (along with a couple of typos), fighting the editor every step of the way (hard to explain, but the editor window tries to go wider than the browser window by about ten times, which makes it hard to edit), and got an error when I tried to save it.

"Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/ubergirl/public_html/superwomenmania.com/libraries/joomla/filter/filterinput.php on line 291"

I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu. I tried it with Firefox and had the same issues.

I have to go to bed now, I will try again tomorrow.

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04 Dec 2011 21:43 #25621 by inactive
Okay, edited it using Firefox on Windows and it claims to have saved my edits, but now the version that's up there is missing a huge chunk of the finale.

Is there something else that needs to be done for the edits to go through?

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05 Dec 2011 04:30 #25624 by fats

DietSnapple71 wrote: Okay, edited it using Firefox on Windows and it claims to have saved my edits, but now the version that's up there is missing a huge chunk of the finale.

Is there something else that needs to be done for the edits to go through?


ok, i've been looking through and there is no edit logged for the story, very strange.

my only suggestion is to email me the edits and i'll change the story for you.

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05 Dec 2011 06:16 #25630 by inactive

fats wrote:

DietSnapple71 wrote: Okay, edited it using Firefox on Windows and it claims to have saved my edits, but now the version that's up there is missing a huge chunk of the finale.

Is there something else that needs to be done for the edits to go through?


ok, i've been looking through and there is no edit logged for the story, very strange.

my only suggestion is to email me the edits and i'll change the story for you.

Fats


Thanks, fats. I emailed the edits to you.

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05 Dec 2011 06:45 - 05 Dec 2011 08:03 #25631 by inactive
Okay, I've read the other entries and, although there weren't as many stories submitted as last time, I think this was a very strong workshop (mine excluded). Full disclosure, I was a beta reader for Anon's entry. Here's my quick, capsule feedback in alphabetical order.

Crimson:
I haven't seen 'Salt', but I feel like I was able to pick up what I needed to of the back-story from reading 'Crimson'. This was an intense story, both in terms of its pace and it's, ahem, erotic themes. The drowning scene featured one of my all-time favorite evil superwoman acts. A lot of enjoyable action, and an ending that leaves the future of life on Earth in question. Good stuff.

Invincible Beauty:
This is a very imaginative piece and all the better for taking inspiration from outside the usual superwoman themes. I also liked the fact that it told a complete story. Briar Rose is a likable heroine with an interesting weakness. The final showdown is suitably epic.

Three Superwomen on Multiple Earths:
This was the most traditional "what-if" scenario. It would fit neatly into DC's silver age shenanigans, if it weren't for the occasional murder. I'm a sucker for anything that stars the Crime Syndicate's version of Superwoman. I thought it was well-written and left me wanting more.

Edited to add: I'm looking forward to reading Lfan's entry.

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05 Dec 2011 19:52 #25634 by shadar
You are too humble, DietSnapple. The high body count of your story put me off at first, but the last portion of your story, the battle with Darkseid, was very, very good. He's always been the impossible foe, someone no Kryptonian could take down. But you found a way. You've got a great imagination. Nice to see a female sitting on his throne of ultimate evil now.

Agree re: Invincible Beauty, which I greatly enjoyed. I like the fairy tale setting and theme with the neat turnaround from the usual tale. Very entertaining with a delightful innocence about it.

Three Superwoman was indeed a classic comic book theme in many ways. An exploration of the dark side of superpowers via the evil counterparts of the heroes of pulp fiction. Except unlike the comics, there was no holding back. Also a very entertaining story.

One more to read when Lfan has a chance to upload his version.

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06 Dec 2011 11:30 #25646 by mastadon
All very high quality entries and some very well crafted tales, my thanks to the contibutiing authors. Three superwomen reminded me heavily of www.imdb.com/title/tt0267804/ now if only this had been made with a female star and super powers .... sigh

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06 Dec 2011 20:29 #25648 by inactive
fats, would it be possible to split the poll by author, rather than story? Failing that, could you concatenate my entries into one - it's really one story, split into three chapters for ease of handling.

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07 Dec 2011 02:51 #25651 by fats

DietSnapple71 wrote: fats, would it be possible to split the poll by author, rather than story? Failing that, could you concatenate my entries into one - it's really one story, split into three chapters for ease of handling.


poll has been edited as per requests.

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08 Dec 2011 03:51 #25662 by Woodclaw
Ok, my turn to provide some feedback on the other author entries.

Crimson by Shadar

First thing first, I haven't watched Salt and have no intention to do so in the foreseeable future. Given that I think that this is a very solid story, even a passable (read Wikipedia based) knowledge of the characters is enough to understand the roles.
Shadar is arguably the most experienced writer on this forum and the story clearly reflect this. The rhytm and pace are good, although a bit uneven with the constant shifting from first person to third person in the first half of the story. I also enjoyed the idea of having a superwoman that wasn't so super, but actually came out as a distant second without moaning or bitching all the time because of this (one of my biggest gripes about many Supergirl's fanfics). Evelyn is tough, determined and resourceful, all qualities that helps making her a well defined character.
What doesn't work all that well in my opinion is the final. As much as Tala was a gamebreaker being horribly more powerful than Evy, the conflict was kept on the same level and pretty much boiled down to a confrontation of raw power against tactics, which is great. But Abby makes the whole story, the whole struggle, meaningless in about 20 lines or so. This is extremly anticlimax and make the final feel very rushed. It reminded me of some old X-Men comics, where for a whole issue the entire team keeps punching the Juggernaut to no result and, at three panels from the end, a single psionic attack by Xavier blast Juggy down, funny the fist time lame after that (well, lame unless played for a humorous effect).
Overall a great story, highly effective and with a powerful erotic theme (perhaps even a little too much). I'm also glad that someone else went for something outside the usual ubergirls material to create his story.

Three Superwomen of Multiple Earths by JKIJ

As noted this is the closest story in this workshop to the classic "Elseworld / What If" style and it works quite well. The narration is pretty fluid and the character are easily recognizable. The CSA Superwoman works out perfectly as an arrogant, scary and domineering character, who still has enough common sense to know when and where to stop. The first part right down to Mxy first appearence gave us a great parade of her worst traits in a very compact form.
If I have to point out a personal problem with this story is the decision to universe-swap the other two versions of Lois. This is the critical point of the story, making this decision transformed this story from a stand-alone to a first chapter. Now as much as I would like to see more I prefer workshop entries that are as self-contained as possible.
One dynamic I'm very interested to see is Clark reaction to a having a superpowered wife, which might be a great temptation for him.
Overall a very solid and classic story, with ample room to expand and explore some interesting future interactions.

Ultimate Crisis by GeekSeven

Disclosure time, I was G7 beta reader and I'm very ashemed of how little feedback I provided him. Respect to the first version the second part got some heavy rework (which is great), but more or less the rest is the same. Unfortunatly I don't have much familiarity with the whole "Superboy Prime" concept, but what I read on the net really doesn't work for me, so my judgement might be biased.
Now, we all know that G7 specialises in super badgirls and SG Prime (sorry being a old school Transformers fan I can't call her just Prime) is no exception, if possible she's even more crazy and terrifying than the others. This is the best and worst part of the story.
On one hand SG Prime is a real terror to behold, this is most evident in te third part of the story, when she is able to face Darkseid one-on-one and kick his stony butt. The ring is a major gamebreaker, but I don't mind too much since I had a similar idea in the past. SG Prime self-centered nature and lacks of morality fits well with the story. She's ruthless and focused to her goal in a way that is really difficult to write about.
On the other hand I think that second part isn't up to the rest of the story. As I said before G7 rewrote this and I think that the new version works better, in the original one Superman was such a loser that it didn' seem to deserve any kind of attention from someone like SG Prime. This new version is better but there's still a problem. As SG Prime stated, this Superman is like a bug to her. Using such elaborate strategies to dispose of him felt really unnecessary and deliberatly cruel in a childish way. If killing him was like squashing a bug, what SG Prime did was like ripping out a bug's legs for the sadistic pleasure of doing so. Something that is usually the mark of a very cruel child and devalue the character a lot in my eyes.
Of the three stories this is the one that gave me the most extreme reactions, I think it's the kind of narritive that has a "love it or hate it" vibe. In my case the love part outweighted the hate part, but only by a short margin.

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08 Dec 2011 04:22 #25663 by shadar
Actually, the climax was supposed to be a seque into part 2 of the story, but i didn't actually leave the hint in the final lines that I should have. That made it feel final and rushed.

As planned, Abby (Nancy's) mind manipulation fails on Evelyn, just as Orlov's earlier hypnotic block failed on her.

Part 2 will start with Peabody leading the fight to isolate Cheyenne Mountain and blow up the entrance tunnels to bury Crimson. The missiles don't get launched from there. It continues with Evelyn slowly shaking off the effects of the mind control to continue the battle to stop her sisters. Who of course are digging their way out of the mountain to find yet another way to fulfill their programming.

Once outside, Evelyn will team up again with Peabody as they try to find a final solution to stop the attack on the US leadership and nuclear control system.

Tala, as you might expect, is going to be a fearsome opponent. I'm working on a way for Peabody to come up against her and still survive. So far, I haven't thought of a way to meep him alive given her power level. But I think that would be an interesting scene if I can figure it out.

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09 Dec 2011 02:29 #25666 by JKIJ
Time for me to add my comments about the entries. First though, I need to say thanks for everyone who's had nice things to say about my story. I'm surprised and pleased by how well it's been received. I had a hard time getting it written, so in the end I had to just finish the story at a suitable stopping point and I was worried that it wouldn't completely come together. With everybody's comments, I really want to come back and finish this story at some point. Hopefully the ending won't disapoint if and when I'm able to get it written.

Now to the others.

Crimson

Add me to the list of those who haven't seen Salt. I don't feel that that was a problem though, as even without that I felt I could get a grip on the main characters. It was interesting to see a world slowly coming to grips with a few superpowered women who are out to change it by any means necessary. It felt intense and fast pace, appropriate for a time when evrybody in line to be President is getting killed and nuclear war is close. I personally didn't mind the change between first and third person, but the action certainly speeds up once we're settled into Evelyn's point of view for the last time. A good start to the story, though I too felt as if at the end Evelyn was changing sides. I'm glad that this isn't the case.

Ultimate Crisis Prelude

I'm not familiar enough with Superboy Prime to be able to comment on how Supergirl Prime compares to him, but to me she was definitely a threatening force. Ruthless, rage driven, powerful and utterly implaccable, I never had a moments doubt that she would come out on top. Parts one and three probably do show this best, being as they are from her point of view, while in part two all I could think was poor Clark. He really didn't deserve what happened to him and I hope his cousin manages to clear his name. I have to agree that she does seem a bit like a spoiled child, but that just makes her even more dangerous in my eyes, since she would squash anybody who even mildly annoyed her. Someone with her anger, pettyness and power is a fightening combination, especially given the position she ends up in.

Invincible Beauty

I'm really glad this story was written. I've wanted to see something like this for years and if I'd been able to come up with an idea like it for the workshop I have no doubt I'd have tried to write one of my own, though I don't think I'd have come close to writing it as well as this story's been written. I love the fairy tale sense it evokes, and I adore how Aurora/Briar Rose reacts to those around her. I find her loss of power when she loses faith in love to be an interesting version of the critical weakness, one perfectly in keeping with the origins of the story, though it doesn't seem she'll have to worry about it in the future. I'm sure I'll read this again and again in the future.

Thanks to the other authors for writing their entries and I'm sorry my comments aren't more enlightening. I enjoyed them all, though I think I love Invincible Beauty most.

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09 Dec 2011 09:34 #25668 by inactive
Supergirl-Prime is certainly not a sympathetic protagonist. She's a petulant, self-centered brat, teetering on the precipice of total madness. Oh and she has the power to destroy a planet. A total nightmare, in other words.

Chapter 2 is a little out of place, but it gives us a way to see outside her viewpoint a little. In the original draft, as Anon says, Superman was an annoying loser. This gave me a fight between two unsympathetic characters, one of whom was almost begging to be put out of his misery. By making Clark a hero, it becomes more of a tragedy. He's a decent, honorable man who gets torn apart for no good reason.

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23 Dec 2011 06:46 #25769 by argonaut
With apologies for the delay, here's my feedback on the fall workshop stories (three of them, anyway):

First of all, let me say that these are really well-written stories that held my attention from beginning to end. The prose was clear and straightforward, the events moved along at a nice pace, and the details brought the scenes to life without slowing down the story.

DietSnapple71: DC's Infinite Crisis "event" left me cold, but I enjoyed your riff on it nevertheless. I especially liked your re-imagined DCU, in which Supergirl is Earth's "alpha" super-hero and Superman is a mere supporting character -- a nice reversal of their relationship throughout the Silver Age and beyond. My favorite part of the story was the first half of Chapter 2, in which Claire uses her super-powers to destroy Superman's reputation and make a shambles of Clark's life. It showed a calculating malice alongside the spiteful rage that fueled her other actions. My one reservation about your story is that it's top-heavy with fighting. Granted, it was fun to watch Claire take down the Green Lantern Corps, then Superman (albeit a Superman who presented no real challenge for her), and finally Darkseid himself. But I'm hoping that if you continue the story (and I hope you do), you'll give us more in the way of plot -- as Claire's last line seems to promise.

JKIJ: As a fan of the free-wheeling goofiness of the Silver Age, I thought your story was a hoot. Multiple-Earth hijinks, a certain fifth-dimensional mischief-maker pulling the strings, and three super Lois Lanes made for a fun cocktail. Like Mr. Mxyzptlk, I can't wait to see how it all turns out. (Though things might get a little confusing once you bring the three Loises together, especially since two of them use the sobriquet "Superwoman"!)

Anon: Yours was certainly the most off-beat of the workshop entries. I'm impressed by the way you've blended the flavor of the Disney cartoon with the flavor of a traditional folk- or fairy-tale. The fairy godmothers in your story are ethereal beings who mrely adopt the cartoonish appearance of their counterparts in the movie, and Aurora's wolf friend is sentient without being fully anthropomorphic. The idea that Aurora draws her great strength from the love in her heart is an inspired one, and the climactic fight with the dragon was an exciting reversal of the classic "damsel-in-distess" scenario. And although I've said that all three stories were well-written, you deserve special credit for maintaining an appropriate folk-tale diction throughout.

With bravo's to all three authors, Anon's is the front-runner for my vote. I'll read Shadar's story, and comment on it, right after I locate an on-line synopsis of "Salt."

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26 Dec 2011 09:15 #25790 by argonaut
It looks as if the voting ended in a tie between Geek7 and JKIJ -- so I guess we can look forward to two commissioned illustrations.

It's a Festivus miracle!

Now for the airing of grievances ...

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