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21 Sep 2014 14:38 #38214 by SCOTT R
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21 Sep 2014 14:54 - 21 Sep 2014 14:59 #38215 by castor
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Anyone got a better idea? Potential plots and characterization is probably more interesting than speculating on an actress at this point, who will probably be cheap and relatively unknown for cost reasons. That could still be good if they choose well. Remember Helen Slater was mostly an unknown in 1984.


Well Hmmm....


Pilot

Kara is a blogger working for a news orginzation of some kind. Her life is anything but supper. Her boss underpays her(its a kind of boing boing site, where its more about gettling links and things like that ), lives in a crummy apartment, and her social life is a mess- she has a crush on a cute.. Batista at a cofee shop she goes to but is a little shy to approach him.

Which in general is her idea-shes a bit as they go a hot mess-very attractive obviously but has a hard time managing it, and her life-shes both a little quick to anger and very shy-akward in social situations. She doesn't always pick up obvious cues. She means well but has a hard time expressing it. She has a couple of friends-fellow bloggers who form kind of her social core- but well this isn't what a young woman in the city dreams of.

and of course she secretly has incredible powers. but she doesn't want to use them. We get hints of them through out the first episode. We do ocasional flashbacks to her life before on krypton-where she was a general in the army a powerful leader of men. This conflates over the episode with her life now in its crummy glorry.

Superman in her world is a creature of mystery an awe a strange figure that people know about and respect but don't really know. He doesn't do interviews, is a mysterious strange force that people vaugely procieve. She doesn't really want that. She just wants to be human, wants to live a normal life-living in the arctic somewhere to be lonely, taking over the world more lonely still. She just wants to be an average person even if average isn't all that great.

In the first epsiode one of her blogging friends discovers her secret-and well she tells her about it and what its like(and also the audience). The experience makes her think about her life and the course of the episode she finds a new threat in the form of a large corporation in the story shes investigating for a fluff peice-something that threatens the course of the city-so well reluctantly......she uses her powers to stop it. Its a struggle, but she manages to do it.

50/50 on a costume. Actually i may go 80%. I think they know by now if you don't get that at least a little bit the audience is going to reject it more then if you did and something silly.

She does a story about it however and it does well-enough that her editors put her on the beat. Last scene she talks to the guy in the shop and tries to make a go of it as a normal girl.

Now Kara is freelance investigavie reporter of sorts-and a lot of the show happen from articles she does or people emailing her about investigatons- andover the course of the season she keeps doing it- we get some classic superhero and supergirl villians, most of which were normal clothing. We get a vauge sence of the vilians and his plans(figure into about a 1/3 of the episodes). He gradually learns shes invulnerable-but she cares. And invulnerable people care about vulnerable things.

In her civlian life. She has a hard time catching a break, professionally and otherwise-things just don't go well for-but she and the guy in the cofee shop gradually hit off but she worries about getting him involved.

meanwhile we keep getting flashbacks-of her early days on earth as well. In the flashbacks she meets a threat which she thinks she defeated-however the threat comes back and teams up with the large corporation for...the climax of the season.

Special effects wise- we go somewhere between Arrow and Lois And Clark. Lots of shaky cams and quick cuts. Shes very strong-but strength tends to be protrayed as nothing is to heavy for her-so mostly its lifting cars and things like that-we don't tend to get lots of superpowered destruction.We get some x-ray vission and some heat vision and maybe breath, but not a lot of super speed. She does fly, but not necessairly in scenes themselves except ocasionally- it tends to be a get around power. Since Man of Steel didn't have kyrptonite( if thats what there going for) , i doubt this will show at least for the first season-though like Man of Steel invulnerability has its limits.

if she does wear a costume..i am guessing somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes of an average episodes Not much but enough to establish the ideas.

Shadar mentioned Wonder Girl-Doubt will get her becuse shes a Wonder Woman character-however Power Girl is a possibility (actually i could see her working well with the plot i described) but i doubt in the first season. Wait until sweeps kid:)
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21 Sep 2014 15:35 #38216 by DustyBottums
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I'm cautiously hopeful. I just hope cbs isn't afraid to put her in the suit.


She's a Pygmy, but....maybe Hayden Patinerre? She's a stupidly cute Pygmy, at least.

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21 Sep 2014 19:24 #38220 by shadar
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Castor makes some great points, basically laying out a scenario where she's not a great fit into a life that's a bit too ordinary. One where things haven't worked out as well as she'd like but she doesn't know how to fix it. That would probably hit hard with many Millennials, who are likely the target audience.

In contrast, I'd like to see her a bit more successful in her private live. I always enjoyed the 1980's SG where she was a student counselor at a university in Florida (after graduating from college in Chicago), but that was more a reflection of expectations at that time. Finish school, graduate, get a good job and live a fairly happy life. Except she has trouble with her relationships (they never last) and she has this other public life that keeps screwing up her private one. Most of her problems came directly from her alter-life as Supergirl.

I figure that anyone with her abilities could find a way out of a difficult time, not to mention the fact that she's outrageous cute when she wants to be.

How about speculating in the opposite direction... she's an NFL cheerleader and a part-time model whose main problem is that everyone thinks she has a perfect life, but she's really miserable. She's afraid of her powers given she's made some real messes, and afraid of what would happen in terms of celebrity status if anyone found out she was Superman's cousin, so she avoids getting close to anyone, fearing loss of control. She's successful to some degree, but not financially and her personal life is anything but fulfilled as she doesn't let anyone get too close to her by coming across as cold and distant. Inside, she is intensely homesick for her home, the lovely and sophisticated Krypton that is no more.

As I see it, she has one close friend who discovers her secret. That friend is the blogger, investigative reporter type and she (or he) has uncovered what they feel is a deep and dangerous conspiracy. Her friend's theories sound crazy to Linda, butt something happens to reveal that it's all too real.

She tries to get Superman to address it, but he's infamously non-political and willing to let humans go their own way -- even if the are wrong, and same for Batman -- so they won't directly address it. They are more into stopping overt criminals and violence, terrorism and maybe even wars. So she and her friend decide to dig into what turns out to be a very dangerous world where people will stop at nothing to keep their secret conspiracy alive. The stakes are very high (national or global catastrophe kind of thing), so Linda goes undercover to penetrate the organization, with her friend's help, but otherwise on their own.

My concept probably won't play as well to a Millennial audience, but it could be fun. She's doing something nobody else can, discovering how to use her abilities along the way, but basically trying to keep Supergirl out of the public eye. To keep her in the realm of myth or wild stories. But this conspiracy has their own heavy hitters of their own.

(To truly go off the deep end, I could even see some outrageous fan-service scene where she dresses up in her Supergirl costume at a Halloween party where everyone says she looks so perfect as "Superman's little sister" or whatever. And her cheerleading costume isn't so different, maybe the Metropolis Supers or whatever for team name, and they borrow Superman's "S" for their team emblem.)

I know... really cheesy, but great fun for those of us who have been fans of the character. I'll stop now. Castor is probably closer to the truth.

Here's a quick snapshot of her in costume, coming in from the ocean after diving to check out something related to the conspiracy -- and now meeting her friend on the shore. Thanks to her sidelines work with the Metropolis Supers, she's not shy about wearing tight outfits and tiny skirts, but she tries not to be seen or photographed in costume by anyone but her friend.

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Anyone got a better idea? Potential plots and characterization is probably more interesting than speculating on an actress at this point, who will probably be cheap and relatively unknown for cost reasons. That could still be good if they choose well. Remember Helen Slater was mostly an unknown in 1984.


Well Hmmm....


Pilot

Kara is a blogger working for a news orginzation of some kind. Her life is anything but supper. Her boss underpays her(its a kind of boing boing site, where its more about gettling links and things like that ), lives in a crummy apartment, and her social life is a mess- she has a crush on a cute.. Batista at a cofee shop she goes to but is a little shy to approach him.

Which in general is her idea-shes a bit as they go a hot mess-very attractive obviously but has a hard time managing it, and her life-shes both a little quick to anger and very shy-akward in social situations. She doesn't always pick up obvious cues. She means well but has a hard time expressing it. She has a couple of friends-fellow bloggers who form kind of her social core- but well this isn't what a young woman in the city dreams of.

and of course she secretly has incredible powers. but she doesn't want to use them. We get hints of them through out the first episode. We do ocasional flashbacks to her life before on krypton-where she was a general in the army a powerful leader of men. This conflates over the episode with her life now in its crummy glorry.

Superman in her world is a creature of mystery an awe a strange figure that people know about and respect but don't really know. He doesn't do interviews, is a mysterious strange force that people vaugely procieve. She doesn't really want that. She just wants to be human, wants to live a normal life-living in the arctic somewhere to be lonely, taking over the world more lonely still. She just wants to be an average person even if average isn't all that great.

In the first epsiode one of her blogging friends discovers her secret-and well she tells her about it and what its like(and also the audience). The experience makes her think about her life and the course of the episode she finds a new threat in the form of a large corporation in the story shes investigating for a fluff peice-something that threatens the course of the city-so well reluctantly......she uses her powers to stop it. Its a struggle, but she manages to do it.

50/50 on a costume. Actually i may go 80%. I think they know by now if you don't get that at least a little bit the audience is going to reject it more then if you did and something silly.

She does a story about it however and it does well-enough that her editors put her on the beat. Last scene she talks to the guy in the shop and tries to make a go of it as a normal girl.

Now Kara is freelance investigavie reporter of sorts-and a lot of the show happen from articles she does or people emailing her about investigatons- andover the course of the season she keeps doing it- we get some classic superhero and supergirl villians, most of which were normal clothing. We get a vauge sence of the vilians and his plans(figure into about a 1/3 of the episodes). He gradually learns shes invulnerable-but she cares. And invulnerable people care about vulnerable things.

In her civlian life. She has a hard time catching a break, professionally and otherwise-things just don't go well for-but she and the guy in the cofee shop gradually hit off but she worries about getting him involved.

meanwhile we keep getting flashbacks-of her early days on earth as well. In the flashbacks she meets a threat which she thinks she defeated-however the threat comes back and teams up with the large corporation for...the climax of the season.

Special effects wise- we go somewhere between Arrow and Lois And Clark. Lots of shaky cams and quick cuts. Shes very strong-but strength tends to be protrayed as nothing is to heavy for her-so mostly its lifting cars and things like that-we don't tend to get lots of superpowered destruction.We get some x-ray vission and some heat vision and maybe breath, but not a lot of super speed. She does fly, but not necessairly in scenes themselves except ocasionally- it tends to be a get around power. Since Man of Steel didn't have kyrptonite( if thats what there going for) , i doubt this will show at least for the first season-though like Man of Steel invulnerability has its limits.

if she does wear a costume..i am guessing somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes of an average episodes Not much but enough to establish the ideas.

Shadar mentioned Wonder Girl-Doubt will get her becuse shes a Wonder Woman character-however Power Girl is a possibility (actually i could see her working well with the plot i described) but i doubt in the first season. Wait until sweeps kid:)

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21 Sep 2014 19:47 #38222 by fats
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Talking with people who I know, the thinking is to develop a series along the lines of the arrow rather than smallville, they are also looking at the cast being made up of no name actors rather than a big name to latch on to. location is going to be Canada namely BC (British Columbia) they are thinking that kara is going to be early 20's and with a "Aryan" appearance, but the level of powers shown is not going to be what we are wanting also her powers are not going to be at a level we expect, at most there will be 2 scenes of SP's in the pilot as the budget is not going to be as high as other shows.

This could be good but I’m thinking this could be a bust.

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21 Sep 2014 21:06 #38225 by shadar
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Given that the BC border is about 15 miles from my house (as the crow flies, anyway), maybe I'll have to drive up and snoop around if we learn when and where shooting is supposed to start.

Makes sense they'd shoot there... Vancouver is very tax friendly to TV series with a strong industry presence.

fats wrote: Talking with people who I know, the thinking is to develop a series along the lines of the arrow rather than smallville, they are also looking at the cast being made up of no name actors rather than a big name to latch on to. location is going to be Canada namely BC (British Columbia) they are thinking that kara is going to be early 20's and with a "Aryan" appearance, but the level of powers shown is not going to be what we are wanting also her powers are not going to be at a level we expect, at most there will be 2 scenes of SP's in the pilot as the budget is not going to be as high as other shows.

This could be good but I’m thinking this could be a bust.

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23 Sep 2014 00:13 #38248 by shadar
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Copied this to the right thread for further discussion... also, on the point about where its being shot, Fats had said earlier that his contacts said BC. Which made sense given all the TV shows that comes out of there these days. So unless anyone has contrary info...


People said that about Clark/Kal El in Smallville (full costume and using powers), but it ran for what, 10 seasons? All the while holding to the "no tights, no flights" rule, not to mention limited powers rules until the very end (and then they just gave us a peek).

The point was that a lot of people liked the show as it showed the development of Clark Kent as he grew into becoming Superman, with the focus on the man and not the powers. More soap opera than drama in my mind, but good enough that it made money and kept getting renewed.

The potential Supergirl show supposedly depicts her development from living an ordinary life into becoming Supergirl. Sound familiar?

Smallville was produced in BC, just like the potentially upcoming Supergirl show (which might not be called that, by the way).

Remember, we, the true believers, are not the prospective audience. Not enough of us. It has to appeal to "soap opera" style romantic drama lovers if its going to make money. I just hope it doesn't have the endless young-love romantic angst of Smallville, but more than likely it will. Many a heart beat faster when seeing Tom Welling on screen (most of them female, I suspect). The recipe has been established. I assume we'll see "Smallvilleisms" all over this thing.
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They have to have supergirl in full costume and using her powers surely? If they don't - what's the point?

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23 Sep 2014 00:55 #38249 by AJF
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It could still shoot in places likes Atlanta..
The new Fantastic Four was going to film in BC, but then Fox changed their minds and sent it to New Orleans.

Right now, Georgia ranks third in tv production in the US right after California and New York

Gotham films in New York.
If you look at a look of BC centric film industry site, you'll find of many the people in the film industry in BC fear states like LA and Georgia.

This show will be a much bigger production in terms of size and publicity than the CW's Arrow or Flash.

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23 Sep 2014 23:58 #38258 by castor
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fats wrote: Talking with people who I know, the thinking is to develop a series along the lines of the arrow rather than smallville, they are also looking at the cast being made up of no name actors rather than a big name to latch on to. location is going to be Canada namely BC (British Columbia) they are thinking that kara is going to be early 20's and with a "Aryan" appearance, but the level of powers shown is not going to be what we are wanting also her powers are not going to be at a level we expect, at most there will be 2 scenes of SP's in the pilot as the budget is not going to be as high as other shows.

This could be good but I’m thinking this could be a bust.

Fats


As for what you can realistically get on A Network show show-that sounds good.

I watched a fair amount of the 70s incredible Hulk recently. It got a surprisingly good millage out of the "The Hulk, appears twice concept". You can get a fair amount of drama from it-particularly if they go the route of "Well yeah, i can do what ever i want..but should I?". If they can do it well, and right it well that's the key. Yeah i am not expecting Man of Steel Special effects here, just a good story.

i Do think Arrow is as Action adventure show is a lot better then Smallville is-it does a much better job of selling the action and adventure of the show. However Smallvile had two really Key things. Micheal Rassabottom was probably the best actor to ever play Luther-at least in the top two or three. And Tom Weaving was a good actor at playing his foil -playing the kind of good but slightly morally conflicted Kent.

And these where both Unknowns. When you go with Unkown casting you tend to live and die in this regard- a lot of pilots just fail as do to many shows to count. If they are filming this in Canada, i suspect thats it going with the "We get extra tax credit if its a Canadian" unknown.

I do think they can make this work. However its a challenge-it does come down a lot to both casting and how they approach the character.

I will say this-at the very end i think the real skill is going to be how the actress plays both a relatable human, and an Alien Supergod- and if they can do that, if they find someone who can do that considerable challenge they got something.

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24 Sep 2014 00:06 #38259 by inactive
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Selfishly, my fingers are crossed that they film in New Orleans or nearby, even if it would mess with my commute. We can do big city, small town, or post-apocalyptic.

I'm pleased that it's happening, even though I know it will never live up to our dreams. A new generation will be exposed to the awesomeness of Supergirl.

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24 Sep 2014 06:03 #38264 by Brad2
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Right, but will only make the comics connection if she appears in costume (cape, boots, shirt, skirt,...). Otherwise, all they'll see is a chick in a blue shirt and red jeans. I admit, I hope to see some super power usage, and I really hope to see her in costume, even if its only for a couple minutes each episode (and I don't mean a couple minutes in the opening theme song or whatever).

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24 Sep 2014 15:07 #38269 by dave147
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www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-09/23/supergirl-series may this true could be true it says now they committed to a full series skipping than just doing a preview plot I hope that true but as superfemales shows film apart from in 70s with bionic woman & wonder woman and buffy in 90s haven't too popluar in main stream while males ones I really wish it happens

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24 Sep 2014 15:17 - 24 Sep 2014 15:27 #38270 by Woodclaw
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24 Sep 2014 22:10 #38280 by shadar
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But that approach (no tights, no flights) worked for Kal El in Smallville. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see her in costume too, but until I hear something definite from the writers and producers, I'm going to assume they will follow the well-tread pathway from Smallville. Producers and sponsors almost always leverage off a financially successful prior approach.

Unless your name is Luc Besson or Josh Whedon or someone else of that stature, at which point you get some freedom. But recall that even Josh couldn't sell his vision for Wonder Woman and gave it up. I haven't seen anything to describe the specifics of why that didn't work, but my guess would be that he wasn't following an establish path and nobody wanted to take risks.

If they are proceeding with Supergirl, then they must feel they've got an approach that advertisers will buy into, which means good ratings projections.

That brings up a question... why are they able to bring a less known character like SG to the small screen, but they can't get WW going? Is there a special drawback to trying to portray someone as iconic as WW? Or does WW's previous TV show and its success strangely work against her ? SG is a clearly a lesser character -- most people only know that she's a kind of a female Superman. Does the fact that she's a relative lightweight in comic book culture make her easier to bring to TV? Perhaps because they can take more liberties with her story than the fans would let them get away with with WW?

Brad2 wrote: Right, but will only make the comics connection if she appears in costume (cape, boots, shirt, skirt,...). Otherwise, all they'll see is a chick in a blue shirt and red jeans. I admit, I hope to see some super power usage, and I really hope to see her in costume, even if its only for a couple minutes each episode (and I don't mean a couple minutes in the opening theme song or whatever).

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24 Sep 2014 23:52 - 24 Sep 2014 23:55 #38281 by castor
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That brings up a question... why are they able to bring a less known character like SG to the small screen, but they can't get WW going? Is there a special drawback to trying to portray someone as iconic as WW? Or does WW's previous TV show and its success strangely work against her ? SG is a clearly a lesser character -- most people only know that she's a kind of a female Superman. Does the fact that she's a relative lightweight in comic book culture make her easier to bring to TV? Perhaps because they can take more liberties with her story than the fans would let them get away with with WW?


You kind of argue for your point. The wonder woman show was highly successful-at a point the most sucseful show on Television-but it also created a character-a character that was probabbly yes highly influenced by Batman from the TV show-the good natured helpful-well heroine. She did acknoweldge and edge more then Adam West-but she was still a very smiling kind of cochetish heroine....who whould spin and transform...into someone fairly similar.

A lot of wonder woman the comics has been since a reaction to it(actually even at the time, cause Wonder Woman in the 70s wasn't that.)-but thats still in the popular consciousness. Thats still what people think of is Wonder Woman. And its kinda corny-Tv isn't like that.

The Recent pilot seemed very much-nope thats not what where making-where making a brutal, kind of c antihero.And it was terrible. Adrienne Palacki is a decent actress. But she was creating a well not a character that anyone except someone like David Kelly who i think was aproaching it from the question "okay what whould the legal system be like in a world with superheros". The other side of the character-well she was bitching about being forced to be both wonder woman and a normal person-was equally not very well done.

It wasn't what people expected from wonder woman-and i am no sure you can do what people expect from wonder woman on a weekly show. and i doubt where going to see them try for a while agian.

But i donno. Theres the new Show Gotham. Its not anyway great-i am not sure good. But what does work is Jada Pinket Smith as Fish Maloney-who narative wise seems mostly an obstacle for Oswald coppobolt to overcome-but heres the thing. She plays the character as she was Eartha Kitt from Batman-she would fit fine on the 70s wonder woman-and she is easily the best part of the show.

You bring up the concept of Costumes-which i am going to say 80% likely where going to see. Theres Arrow, and now the flash which both feature them. it used to be hollywood logic that people would regect it on a weekly show--based on...what precisely?

Becuse i do think there is a shading scale of "fake" vs. "reality"-the original was somewhere on that scale-Smallville was trying for more realistic-but was very much on that scale. I think where TV execs-though even last year with Agents of Shield(which i think everyone was in its first season was thinking it was a disapointment) and where we actually are as an audience is diffrent. So yeah i think where going to see costumes and maybe a little more comicbook stuff-but will see.

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23 Oct 2014 19:48 #38650 by lfan
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Geoff Johns on the future Supergirl series (among other things):

www.newsarama.com/22533-johns-on-dc-comi...rhero-out-there.html

My favorite line in the article: "He also confirmed that Supergirl will feature a fully-powered and flying Kara."

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23 Oct 2014 20:43 #38651 by shadar
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lfan wrote: Geoff Johns on the future Supergirl series (among other things):

www.newsarama.com/22533-johns-on-dc-comi...rhero-out-there.html

My favorite line in the article: "He also confirmed that Supergirl will feature a fully-powered and flying Kara."

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That's absolutely outstanding. I was trying to curb my enthusiasm, never quite daring to believe they'd do a full-powered flying Kara, focusing instead on Linda, but here it is from DC's Chief Entertainment Officer (the mighty CEO).

If he's going that way, apparently right down the canonical path, then I would have to assume we'll see her in her equally canonical red and blues. Of course, there are many choices that could be made there, and it might depend somewhat on the actress and what looks best on her, but this is all REALLY good news for an old time Kara Zor El fan like me.

As another post noted, we have another writer taking over the helm of the Supergirl comic, and she apparently doesn't want any more passive, pensive or constipated versions of Kara. She's going to expand the character in ways that suggest she'll be less damaged and more together, but also recovering from her time as a Red Lantern (a stupid story line). An encouraging restart of the character.

The one note of concern is that each media will have its own continuity and stories, even when operating in parallel. So the comic book Kara and the TV Kara and any events in the movies may be disconnected and potentially very different, even while acknowledging that the other characters exist. I understand the reasons for that (low overhead for the creative staff -- they won't be constrained by trying to work around what the other versions of the characters are doing), but it could result in some very different interpretations.

But that's small potatoes compared to having a better comic book story and a live-action full-powered TV series character.
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23 Oct 2014 22:51 #38654 by Brad2
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Did they confirm that Supergirl will wear the red and blues (and cape and spandex), or are we just assuming it? After all, even if something makes sense, the people in charge often do something different, unfortunately. :unsure:

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24 Oct 2014 00:22 #38658 by shadar
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Brad2 wrote: Did they confirm that Supergirl will wear the red and blues (and cape and spandex), or are we just assuming it? After all, even if something makes sense, the people in charge often do something different, unfortunately. :unsure:


Just assuming at this point. But the costume is a key part of DC's product and image, and they are also in the business of selling toys. Big bucks there. I can't imagine a scenario where she'd be super and flying around and not wearing the iconic (and heavily trademarked) costume. Or a scenario where they would sell Supergirl toys that look like a normal girl. She's gotta be in costume.

This is not the "no tights, no flights" world of Smallville.

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24 Oct 2014 00:39 - 24 Oct 2014 00:42 #38659 by castor
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Brad2 wrote: Did they confirm that Supergirl will wear the red and blues (and cape and spandex), or are we just assuming it? After all, even if something makes sense, the people in charge often do something different, unfortunately. :unsure:


Just assuming at this point. But the costume is a key part of DC's product and image, and they are also in the business of selling toys. Big bucks there. I can't imagine a scenario where she'd be super and flying around and not wearing the iconic (and heavily trademarked) costume. Or a scenario where they would sell Supergirl toys that look like a normal girl. She's gotta be in costume.

This is not the "no tights, no flights" world of Smallville.


That said i wouldn't be absuletly sure about the cape....

Not from a brand identity thing but one of the things i have read is...flying Capes are actually really tricky to do these days. The cape In Man of Steel was all CGI-becuse they couldn't get in the way they liked (as was actually about 85%) of the time harry cavil was in the air). Its not hard to find gifs of what they did in Superman Returns.

This isn't to say they won't but...

Actually in general i would be curious how they would do the flying effects- the old style Christopher reeves stuff is a cynch to do these days, but its limited to what you can do, which is why they used so much cgi in man of steel(to...mixed effect)And i dont think they can do that much CGI in a weekly TV Show.

But who knows. When TV real special effects heavy (say modern Dr. Who or game of thrones) i can often like it better then movies which obviously have more time and money..but often feel a little stolid in that regard. Thats what excits me. I still maintain-its probabbly going to be 5 10 minutes at most mixed with the rest of stuff..but if they can deliver that week after week that could be neat
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24 Oct 2014 05:13 #38661 by shadar
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castor wrote:

shadar wrote:

Brad2 wrote: Did they confirm that Supergirl will wear the red and blues (and cape and spandex), or are we just assuming it? After all, even if something makes sense, the people in charge often do something different, unfortunately. :unsure:


Just assuming at this point. But the costume is a key part of DC's product and image, and they are also in the business of selling toys. Big bucks there. I can't imagine a scenario where she'd be super and flying around and not wearing the iconic (and heavily trademarked) costume. Or a scenario where they would sell Supergirl toys that look like a normal girl. She's gotta be in costume.

This is not the "no tights, no flights" world of Smallville.


That said i wouldn't be absuletly sure about the cape....

Not from a brand identity thing but one of the things i have read is...flying Capes are actually really tricky to do these days. The cape In Man of Steel was all CGI-becuse they couldn't get in the way they liked (as was actually about 85%) of the time harry cavil was in the air). Its not hard to find gifs of what they did in Superman Returns.

This isn't to say they won't but...

Actually in general i would be curious how they would do the flying effects- the old style Christopher reeves stuff is a cynch to do these days, but its limited to what you can do, which is why they used so much cgi in man of steel(to...mixed effect)And i dont think they can do that much CGI in a weekly TV Show.

But who knows. When TV real special effects heavy (say modern Dr. Who or game of thrones) i can often like it better then movies which obviously have more time and money..but often feel a little stolid in that regard. Thats what excits me. I still maintain-its probabbly going to be 5 10 minutes at most mixed with the rest of stuff..but if they can deliver that week after week that could be neat


Of course, she could still be in costume but minus the cape. Not great but better than no costume. And I wouldn't bet against you on the 5 or 10 minutes per episode of costumed SG, with a fairly simple approach to handling flight. Hopefully a lot better than Smallville, but likely not up to MOS standards. I love the distant shots where she goes supersonic anyway.
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24 Oct 2014 17:41 #38668 by dave147
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to be honest it all sounds to be true a full sesaon fully super flying etc just hope it all happens

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24 Oct 2014 20:43 #38669 by Sarge395
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With or without cape makes no difference to me. This type of event is like Halleys Comet for me. Happens rarely if at all.

Will be watching the hell out of it. Just pray that it does well enough to hit 5+ seasons like Smallville or Buffy did.

In costume and flying! I never would have dreamed this. Hope it leads down the road to another movie but honestly I'd rather have more hours of a TV show than a movie.

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24 Oct 2014 21:10 - 25 Oct 2014 15:57 #38670 by castor
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To touch a little bit more -
Was watching some of the old Lois and Clark from the 90s...and the effects look a little corny. You can see what Clark can and Can't lift by a country mile. Heat vision never looked good, nor did speed.

But the flight stuff looks for the most part pretty good. That some of it was obviously done in camera with well hidden wires, mixed with generally pretty well done Greenscreen work. It did a good job overall of suggesting the idea of superman.

and it fit the tone of it-becuse well Lois and Clark is a comedy. Its still pretty funny in parts, and Dean Cain was pretty charming in the lead as a straight guy to the insanity.

Will contrast it with say man of steel. There everything looks good. I think the burning eyes stuff is a little tircky, but it easily had the best speed effects ever done on film-and the strength amazing. But i would almost argue the flight stuff--especially the climaxtic stuff with zodd, frequently looked a little weird.

and the movie-is pretty charmless. The cinemtography is muddy, everyone dour with a clark who looked like a peice of wood in pain. While its wrong to say it hummorless(which is something i hear a lot when people bash DC on film)-its pretty bleak and cheerless, i think i n part just to build up the sence of epicness.

I bring all of this up cause...well if they are going to pick a side..i would favor doing the lois and Clark approach a touch more then Man of Steel. Chasing i think a kind of huge budget on TV isn't going to work both from money and time.

Flash for example is suffering a bit from that-the speed effects look great, and the actors charming enough-but When he fights some version of weather for the second time in a month, becuse its something you can do on a tv budget that looks impressive , not so much. Its not that bad..but its not the 1990 show which still looks spectacular.

I would rather see a bit of humor, a sence of irony and above all an actress who can make you like her like Dean Cain Did- and someone like Terri Hatcher who can sell you that he does. I would rather them get the basic effects-her flying, a sence of speed, with maybe a little bit of flair here in there of a lifted car or something-then worrying to much about destroying metropolis every week.

Actually to bring up the art thread-with the contest we are having. some of the entries are really close-you see Eiza or lois in great detail-this is the lois and clark approach.-it suffers while they look impressive...well you can't really see the details of what they are doing , there cars there lifting etc. In others they look really far off- you can see what there doing, and the what there lifting- bit you can barely make out who is ariel.

Both aren't perfect-but agian. Focus on the girl.







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25 Oct 2014 01:28 #38672 by shadar
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castor wrote: Focus on the girl.


Best advice yet. With the right girl and a decent script and (as you suggest) a touch of humor without getting campy and it could work. Special effects used sparingly, but in ways that are more suggestive of her power than trying to put massive feats of strength into every show.

Remember the stuff that Will Smith and Charlize Theron did in Hancock? Where she smashed him with a truck and tossed him through the refrigerator. The bending kitchen fork on her back. Will stopping that train (well, that one might have been a bit complicated). But mostly not horribly complicated stuff but it worked.

No TV show can be driven by outstanding special effects. They don't have the budget like a movie and they are also filming many, many hours of show. TV has to be character driven.

So as Castor said, "focus on the girl". Hopefully some charming young newcomer who will steal our hearts.

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