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02 Mar 2015 20:15 #40710
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Catwoman has come out as bisexual in the latest issue of the ‘Catwoman’ comic from DC.
'Catwoman #39', penned by writer Genevieve Valentine and inked artist Garry Brown, features the feline-esque superhero Selina Kyle in a clinch with another female character called Eiko. Explaining the move on her blog, Valentine said: “She’s flirted around it - often quite literally - for years now; for me, this wasn’t a revelation so much as a confirmation.
“And as [editor] Mark Doyle and I were first hashing out the relationships in this arc, Eiko seemed like the right person: intelligent, driven, in that uncanny valley of Almost Catwoman, and knows enough about Selina that their honesty has become something of a shelter in a situation that’s getting increasingly dishonest for everybody involved.
“The more we talked about it, the more it was something I wanted to make happen.”
Despite the same-sex kiss, Valentine added that Kyle’s on-again, off-again relationship with Batman isn’t necessarily over for good.
“I don’t want to spoil what can’t yet be spoiled, please be assured that Selina’s longstanding connection to Batman has not been forgotten; that is not how bisexuality (or humanity) works,” she said.
“Selina doesn’t care easily, but when she does care it strikes deep, and there will be plenty of that coming up.”
It’s the latest in a series of radical moves for the long-standing DC Comics character – famously immortalised on the screen by Michelle Pfeiffer in ‘Batman Returns’.
The latest storyline has Kyle as a mob boss in Gotham, with Eiko picking up the role of Catwoman.
Catwoman Comes Out As Bisexual
It’s also just latest in a long line of sexuality-based character plots in comic books, notably Batwoman being introduced as a gay character in 2006, though DC banned plans to include a gay wedding to make it all official.
Writers J H Williams and W Haden Blackmore later resigned over the move.
DC’s Dan DiDio said at the time is was because ‘heroes shouldn’t have happy personal lives.That’s very important and something we reinforced’.
Meanwhile in 2012, Green Lantern was reinvented as a gay character, the same year that Marvel’s X-Man Northstar married his partner.
'Catwoman #39', penned by writer Genevieve Valentine and inked artist Garry Brown, features the feline-esque superhero Selina Kyle in a clinch with another female character called Eiko. Explaining the move on her blog, Valentine said: “She’s flirted around it - often quite literally - for years now; for me, this wasn’t a revelation so much as a confirmation.
“And as [editor] Mark Doyle and I were first hashing out the relationships in this arc, Eiko seemed like the right person: intelligent, driven, in that uncanny valley of Almost Catwoman, and knows enough about Selina that their honesty has become something of a shelter in a situation that’s getting increasingly dishonest for everybody involved.
“The more we talked about it, the more it was something I wanted to make happen.”
Despite the same-sex kiss, Valentine added that Kyle’s on-again, off-again relationship with Batman isn’t necessarily over for good.
“I don’t want to spoil what can’t yet be spoiled, please be assured that Selina’s longstanding connection to Batman has not been forgotten; that is not how bisexuality (or humanity) works,” she said.
“Selina doesn’t care easily, but when she does care it strikes deep, and there will be plenty of that coming up.”
It’s the latest in a series of radical moves for the long-standing DC Comics character – famously immortalised on the screen by Michelle Pfeiffer in ‘Batman Returns’.
The latest storyline has Kyle as a mob boss in Gotham, with Eiko picking up the role of Catwoman.
Catwoman Comes Out As Bisexual
It’s also just latest in a long line of sexuality-based character plots in comic books, notably Batwoman being introduced as a gay character in 2006, though DC banned plans to include a gay wedding to make it all official.
Writers J H Williams and W Haden Blackmore later resigned over the move.
DC’s Dan DiDio said at the time is was because ‘heroes shouldn’t have happy personal lives.That’s very important and something we reinforced’.
Meanwhile in 2012, Green Lantern was reinvented as a gay character, the same year that Marvel’s X-Man Northstar married his partner.
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02 Mar 2015 20:50 #40714
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Ehh that has been kind of implied since actually the late 80s.
But the fact that there going for this now doesn't surpise me.
Batwoman for about 5 years sold very well for a comic-but When about a year ago the President of DC comics made a speach where he mandated that Batwoman not her marry her long time girlfriend, this produced a shit storm on the internet-and with in six month the comic was dead sales wise.
And this is i think true: About 50 percent of comic buyers are women. And i would guess a fair percentage of them are lesbian. There aren't as a stastical measure that many lesbian in America-but i do think a greater then normal percentage buy comics- so offending that demographic is i think something you don't want to do.
I do think DC in particular i think is trying to up this with more GBLT characters and get nice with them agian. Particuarly lesbians.
And this can work: Since B:TAS Harley Quinn and Ivy where subtextually an on agian off agian couple-last year year with Harleys New Comic this isn't subtext. Harley Quinn has turned into a very sweet fun comic with the fun loving antiheroine Harley trying to get the more evil ivy to get involved with her crazyiness. And last year it was the highest selling debut comic in America and still is in the top 10 of total comics sold. And i think a fair amount of that is the lesbian audience-and the rest is well the portion of america who doesn't really care(which most surveys suggest is like 70% now)
So kind of why not-i think the trick though isn't the girl kissing part-its when ever they reintroduce Batman in the mix. Catwoman over the years has had a very checkered rommantic past with quite a few love intrests and lovers who aren't bruce wayne-to make this a one time thing i think could anger fans-but will see.
But the fact that there going for this now doesn't surpise me.
Batwoman for about 5 years sold very well for a comic-but When about a year ago the President of DC comics made a speach where he mandated that Batwoman not her marry her long time girlfriend, this produced a shit storm on the internet-and with in six month the comic was dead sales wise.
And this is i think true: About 50 percent of comic buyers are women. And i would guess a fair percentage of them are lesbian. There aren't as a stastical measure that many lesbian in America-but i do think a greater then normal percentage buy comics- so offending that demographic is i think something you don't want to do.
I do think DC in particular i think is trying to up this with more GBLT characters and get nice with them agian. Particuarly lesbians.
And this can work: Since B:TAS Harley Quinn and Ivy where subtextually an on agian off agian couple-last year year with Harleys New Comic this isn't subtext. Harley Quinn has turned into a very sweet fun comic with the fun loving antiheroine Harley trying to get the more evil ivy to get involved with her crazyiness. And last year it was the highest selling debut comic in America and still is in the top 10 of total comics sold. And i think a fair amount of that is the lesbian audience-and the rest is well the portion of america who doesn't really care(which most surveys suggest is like 70% now)
So kind of why not-i think the trick though isn't the girl kissing part-its when ever they reintroduce Batman in the mix. Catwoman over the years has had a very checkered rommantic past with quite a few love intrests and lovers who aren't bruce wayne-to make this a one time thing i think could anger fans-but will see.
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02 Mar 2015 21:10 #40715
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Sorry for taking this out of context and going OT, but this is bullshit of the highest order for me. Not giving a character a happy personal life means depricing any tragedy that might stem from it. Balancing the good and the bad in character's life is a very tricky effort, but central to develop a good narrative. Editorial rules, like the fact that Batman can't and would never have a happy/healthy relationship, makes the stories predictable and some characters less interesting than they migt be otherwise.
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fats wrote: DC’s Dan DiDio said at the time is was because ‘heroes shouldn’t have happy personal lives.That’s very important and something we reinforced’.
Sorry for taking this out of context and going OT, but this is bullshit of the highest order for me. Not giving a character a happy personal life means depricing any tragedy that might stem from it. Balancing the good and the bad in character's life is a very tricky effort, but central to develop a good narrative. Editorial rules, like the fact that Batman can't and would never have a happy/healthy relationship, makes the stories predictable and some characters less interesting than they migt be otherwise.
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03 Mar 2015 07:51 - 03 Mar 2015 13:35 #40722
by TwiceOnThursdays
Instead of going off on a long rant like I want to, I'm going to simply agree with you instead of agreeing with you with a long rant and side track things further.
I wish DC would lighten the tone and actually portray a range. And yes, if you show happy for awhile, THEN show something bad and dark, you REALLY feel the punch. (Oh, BTW DC, you can actually have characters IN relationships, and even *gasp* MARRIED. Sorry I said the "m" word.) Not everyone likes How I Met Your Mother, but one of the things I think the show did very well is being light and funny most of the time, and a FEW times, just hitting you with a dark emotional punch, and then FADE TO BLACK. Episode over.
The cynic in me says that Catwoman's new girl-toy doesn't live out two years. The relationship will have ups and downs, Catwoman will FINALLY work them out, and suddenly out of the blue: She's DEAD. (I sure hope I'm wrong)
edit: I should say that I'm supportive of this event; and my cynicism doesn't have anything to do with thinking its a gimic -- it's the "no relationships/not happy" thinking I'm cynical about. At least if DC can't manage a full range of emotions and relationship status, they are allowing a wider range of sexual identify, and this one feels like it fits the character, it feels organic.
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Woodclaw wrote:
fats wrote: DC’s Dan DiDio said at the time is was because ‘heroes shouldn’t have happy personal lives.That’s very important and something we reinforced’.
Sorry for taking this out of context and going OT, but this is bullshit of the highest order for me. Not giving a character a happy personal life means depricing any tragedy that might stem from it. Balancing the good and the bad in character's life is a very tricky effort, but central to develop a good narrative. Editorial rules, like the fact that Batman can't and would never have a happy/healthy relationship, makes the stories predictable and some characters less interesting than they migt be otherwise.
Instead of going off on a long rant like I want to, I'm going to simply agree with you instead of agreeing with you with a long rant and side track things further.
I wish DC would lighten the tone and actually portray a range. And yes, if you show happy for awhile, THEN show something bad and dark, you REALLY feel the punch. (Oh, BTW DC, you can actually have characters IN relationships, and even *gasp* MARRIED. Sorry I said the "m" word.) Not everyone likes How I Met Your Mother, but one of the things I think the show did very well is being light and funny most of the time, and a FEW times, just hitting you with a dark emotional punch, and then FADE TO BLACK. Episode over.
The cynic in me says that Catwoman's new girl-toy doesn't live out two years. The relationship will have ups and downs, Catwoman will FINALLY work them out, and suddenly out of the blue: She's DEAD. (I sure hope I'm wrong)
edit: I should say that I'm supportive of this event; and my cynicism doesn't have anything to do with thinking its a gimic -- it's the "no relationships/not happy" thinking I'm cynical about. At least if DC can't manage a full range of emotions and relationship status, they are allowing a wider range of sexual identify, and this one feels like it fits the character, it feels organic.
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03 Mar 2015 13:44 #40724
by lfan
I just chalk this up as "just another stupid idea of DiDio". The list is quite long.
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fats wrote: DC’s Dan DiDio said at the time is was because ‘heroes shouldn’t have happy personal lives.That’s very important and something we reinforced’.
I just chalk this up as "just another stupid idea of DiDio". The list is quite long.
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