The Hollywood Reporter compares Supergirl, WW pilots

www1969 wrote: ...and finds Supergirl superior in every meaningful way!

www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/supe...-does-compare-797462

Pretty good points made. Found it interesting that they stayed away from directly comparing and contrasting the actresses. Probably good, as I actually though Palicki wasn't the problem with it and coulda pulled it off with a better costume.....and dialog....and script....and FX team.....and showrunner.......and writers.......

ElF

TwiceOnThursdays wrote: And really Benoist has such great facial expressions. I also love her attitude shift from Kara to Supergirl. She really wears that costume, and suddenly is striding around confidently. Her attitude and body language really help sell the costume. And sell why people don't notice that Kara is Supergirl.

I agree 100%....and I guess it's what actors are supposed to do though not all can do it well. She just conveys so much personality in her expressions -- at least in the pilot -- that "adorable" is the perfect word for it.

Spoilers ahead.....



ElF

Markiehoe wrote: I have not read the main article yet.
Are there SPOILERS in it?

Its spoiler free if you've seen the trailer

ElF

I guess I'm just generally alone in thinking Wonder Woman isn't all that distinctive of a character and probably not a great choice to bring to the small screen. Not least of which because her rogues gallery is 94% rubbish. Ask even comics geeks to "name 5 Wonder Woman villains" and most will crash and burn after two (Ares and Circe). If she existed entirely alone in her cosmos, maybe. But she's been roped into this whole "trinity of DC" thing where she's sandwiched between the human who will out determination, outthink, and out skill her at every point and the Kryptonian boyscout who has every power she has x 10 billion. A female flying brick is NOT what the trinity needs and until they build a strong female protagonist whose power-set is not a watered down superman (magic, psychic powers, damn near ANYTHING other than great strength and toughness) she's going to always be the square peg they keep trying to hammer through the triangular hole.

Mixing companies a sec, can you imagine Jean Grey where Wonder Woman is forced to sit? Holy shit, suddenly a character than can bring something to the table. Someone who can sleuth alongside Bats and solve problems from a new direction (telepathy), and a character that on occasion can throw down with Superman as a WORLD DESTROYING entity of transformation (phoenix force).

DC frankly needs to GET OVER IT and put together a female protagonist that actually creates a triangle rather than existing on a line directly between their two principle icons.

I gotta disagree with you on some of your points.....

Just because WW is a brick and Superman is a brick doesn't mean they can't be showcased as part of the "top 3 draws" (I've always despised the whole "trinity" thing) in the DCU. Thanks to their box office successes, Marvel's showcase heroes are the Avengers. Hulk and Thor are for all intents and purposes "bricks" and you might could argue the same for Captain America (lower level brick) or even Iron Man (mechanized brick). I know they are very different (god, monster, tech wiz, anachronistic soldier), but Superman and Wonder Woman are too. One is (or is supposed to be) an alien immigrant who Earth has adopted as their hero and symbol for hope while the other is a fierce Amazon warrior who just happens to be her island's ambassador of peace.

As for the villain argument, I'd like 90% of the world's mainstream population to name ONE Thor villain outside of Loki. Same goes for Hulk outside of Abomination -- and Hulk even has has own cartoon! When you talk about it in those terms (rogue's gallery), only Superman, Batman, and Spiderman really measure up IMO in terms of individual heroes.

I liked your assessment of having a Jean Grey character "complete the points of the triangle" with her powerset, but that -- to me -- is better served for members of a superhero team or group and not just simply "the most marketable heroes" DC has (aka the Trinity)

ElF

AuGoose wrote: I guess I'm just generally alone in thinking Wonder Woman isn't all that distinctive of a character and probably not a great choice to bring to the small screen. Not least of which because her rogues gallery is 94% rubbish. Ask even comics geeks to "name 5 Wonder Woman villains" and most will crash and burn after two (Ares and Circe). If she existed entirely alone in her cosmos, maybe. But she's been roped into this whole "trinity of DC" thing where she's sandwiched between the human who will out determination, outthink, and out skill her at every point and the Kryptonian boyscout who has every power she has x 10 billion. A female flying brick is NOT what the trinity needs and until they build a strong female protagonist whose power-set is not a watered down superman (magic, psychic powers, damn near ANYTHING other than great strength and toughness) she's going to always be the square peg they keep trying to hammer through the triangular hole.

Mixing companies a sec, can you imagine Jean Grey where Wonder Woman is forced to sit? Holy shit, suddenly a character than can bring something to the table. Someone who can sleuth alongside Bats and solve problems from a new direction (telepathy), and a character that on occasion can throw down with Superman as a WORLD DESTROYING entity of transformation (phoenix force).

DC frankly needs to GET OVER IT and put together a female protagonist that actually creates a triangle rather than existing on a line directly between their two principle icons.

She mostly seems to get her cousin's hand-me-downs. Parasite, Metallo, Toy Man, the occasional brush with Lex.

She even started doing the time-skipping to the Legion of Superheroes thing.

I do remember her having the uncommon good taste to hang with Robin for a while making a sort of junior Bats/Supes duo that tussled with the Arkham crowd a bit.

So in fairness, on that front the pilot has already done more for her than most comic authors who seem content to re-hash Superman stories/challenges with a skirt.