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Supergirl 3x14

17 Apr 2018 11:57 #59170 by kikass2014
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Just finished watching the episode.

Imo, definitely a "filler" episode in that nothing really happened that advanced the main narrative of the season (minus the last 2 minutes or so).

Personally, I could have skipped the whole "dementia" development, oh also and the whole "black man in America" messaging. The whole Jo'nn, Alex and Dad section could have been cut out, and nothing would have changed in the story.

Sure, there was a "Dad/Family" theme going on, with Winn and the loss of his dad. And I know you need to develop characters, especially new-ish ones like Jo'nn's dad. But, really, dementia? What a downer :(

The episode itself was ok at best imo. Kara had some cool fight scenes :)

I really liked the bait-and-switch they pulled with Mon'El and Kara's relationship. It seemed like they were creeping towards getting them back together, but it really wasn't the case. Which I'm glad tbh :) And it was actually really well played out. Kudos on that.

Apart from that, the episode was largely forgettable. The villain was a nobody, and the main plot wasn't really interesting. Which is disappointing considering the stellar first half the season has had.

Hopefully things will get better next week, and judging by the promo, it looks great imo :)

Another miss for me this week, but 12 (?) out of 14 is still a great streak, so I still have faith they can nail the ending :)

Peace.

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17 Apr 2018 12:09 #59171 by Markiehoe
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^Agreed^

The worst part is I believe you could have cut Supergirl's part right out of the episode and had the exact same results.
Even worse once again she is put in danger and is rescued by a male hero.

"Black man in America"
Where the hell did that come from?
Isn't Jonn the Head of the DEO?
Isn't Jimmie the Head of CatCo?
All the Black men in this show seem to doing alright for themselves.

Speaking from personal experience Alex's handling of the Dementia diagnosis was incredibly wrong.
You can not let a Dementia sufferer just wait until they decide to "do the right thing"
They lose the ability to think clearly and it just gets worse.

Here is a tip:
If you detect signs of Dementia you have to step in and tell everyone close and involved.
Things have to be done.
It does not get better.
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17 Apr 2018 16:07 - 17 Apr 2018 16:07 #59172 by kikass2014
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Thinking about it, I'm betting that Jo'nn's dad will sacrifice himself in the fight against Reign.

Rationale:

Terminally ill character = expendable character (since their gonna go at some point).
Jo'nn's dad is a man of faith - Reign has been positioned as the "devil" in the narrative so far.

Ergo, I can see him sacrificing himself rather then fading away (which he has indicated is not something he looks forward to).

At least that will give some justification for this episode and that development.

Just some thoughts \o/ :P

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17 Apr 2018 16:12 #59173 by algae2k
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A few notes:

Some of the SJW over the course of the series has been a bit over the top; it was a bit myopic for this show to go down the "hard to be a black man in America" road given that all of them in this show (at least of the major characters) seem to be doing alright.

It was awesome to have Kara make "Intergalactic" her karaoke choice. Mon'El should have left Kansas alone.

Is it just me or is Laurie Metcalf everywhere now?

Why does the DEO (a secret government org.) have this wide-open ledge adjacent to OUTSIDE-FACING LABS with floor-to-ceiling windows?!?!?

Alex had been hard for me to watch since the beginning of Season 2; it's been getting better the previous episode or two.

Even in a secure facility, they leave the door to the armory unlocked?!?

**shrugs** at the no-name villain... yep, this was another filler episode.
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17 Apr 2018 17:16 #59174 by Markiehoe
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The more I think about it my theory that the producers were caught flatfooted with this mid season break.

We did not have a proper cliffhanger to end last episode and as me and others pointed out this was a "meh" episode.

Hardly the episode you would want to rekindle interest in a series that has been in hibernation.

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18 Apr 2018 03:46 #59176 by d_k_c
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Black in America? Obviously easier than being green in America

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18 Apr 2018 17:22 - 18 Apr 2018 17:26 #59179 by shadar
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So this is what commentary on the show has come down to... complaining about themes related to it being more difficult to be black in America (which other than in this show, is obviously true) and despairing about those interested in social justice?

The show also emphasizes empowerment of women, rights of undocumented aliens, homosexual relationships and other current social forces among young people today.

The fact is, this show isn't made for you, or for many of us. It's made for millennials who are very concerned about those things and expect to see their sensitivities portrayed in fiction. If anything, those messages and others related to it are going to get stronger with time in this and most other CW shows given their audience.

My advice is either to suck it up and enjoy the show for the "super" stuff, or look for shows with social messaging more appropriate to your philosophies.

As an officially old person, I find that one of the secrets of happiness is not letting the changing social and cultural changes bother me. After all, I was an old pot-smoking anti-war hippie (even briefly a Yippie) in the 60's who wanted to change everything. Now I'm a retired businessman and Vietnam veteran who is more than happy to hand things over to the Millennials. It's not like we have a choice.

About the only thing that has endured is that I still enjoy my pot. Which actually helps with all of the above too. <grin>

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18 Apr 2018 20:20 #59180 by d_k_c
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Millennials can go suck a dick......wait a sec.....Is being born in 1980 make me a millennial??? Rats! Guess i'll have to embrace my homosexuality.
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18 Apr 2018 20:55 #59181 by fats
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the best people were born in 1980

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18 Apr 2018 21:40 - 18 Apr 2018 21:43 #59182 by kikass2014
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Is being born in 1980 make me a millennial???


No. "Millennials" are typically people born in mid-nineties - early 2000.

So this is what commentary on the show has come down to... complaining about themes related to it being more difficult to be black in America (which other than in this show, is obviously true) and despairing about those interested in social justice?


I could go on about how wrong this is, but I won't. Suffice to say, any work of fiction has a message, but when it is so glaringly obvious, it becomes patronizing and insulting. So yes, calling the show out on it is appropriate criticism. If the writers of this show want to continue with their messaging, which they will, then my advice to them is buck up. Cause your writing on that topic/agenda sucks.

...who is more than happy to hand things over to the Millennials. It's not like we have a choice.


Which millenials are you referring to? Because I am positive that not all are brainwashed liberal/lefties. I'm not as old as you Shadar (I assume), but I'm no spring chicken. And I do care who ends up running the world in my lifetime. Maybe if more people did, then the world might be a better place?

Anyway, this is a discussion best had in another topic I think.

But, the criticism of the show pointed out is still valid and stands.

Peace.

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18 Apr 2018 22:18 #59183 by andyf
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I don't care for Supergirls pc preaching either, but if you think i rd too much, than you hadn't been watching Black Lightening. That show pumps the wworst black militant conspiracy theories

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18 Apr 2018 22:38 #59184 by d_k_c
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It’s an awful era, and the future has me worried. On the Right we have Donald Trump and his unconditional supporters, and on the Left we have a brand of PC extremism which only gets more extreme by the day. In the middle we have the inbetweeners who are too scared to support the right for fear we’ll lose our basic freedom, and too scared to support the left for the exact same reason.

This Supergirl episode, is a prime example of pills we just need to swallow. Bad writing is fine, as long as you promote a PC message.
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18 Apr 2018 23:42 - 18 Apr 2018 23:47 #59185 by shadar
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d_k_c wrote: Millennials can go suck a dick......wait a sec.....Is being born in 1980 make me a millennial??? Rats! Guess i'll have to embrace my homosexuality.


Pew Research, which is probably the most authoritative source on such things, says Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996. So, you barely escaped with the skin of your teeth by being born a year earlier. Congratulations, Mr. Gen X.

I was born in 1948, so given Boomers are 1946 to 1964, I'm an early Boomer. The worst of the worst. My friends and I were hippies. That was before we were soldiers. It's complicated.

One thing I do know is that a huge generation like the Millennials (the biggest one, I believe) can change everything if that's their wish. They tend to be a LOT more progressive (as a group) than any other generation.

My only point is that CWs Supergirl is made for the sweet spot of Millennials, and those of us who aren't from that group are going to have cultural dissonance. But if we ignore that, and focus on the fact that we've got a friggin' Kryptonian female on TV most weeks, even if she is very progressive and an undocumented alien (I don't think her ship came through Customs), then it's a pretty darn good show.

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19 Apr 2018 03:28 #59187 by d_k_c
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I suppose you're right Shadar, you have to take the good with the bad. I like SG as a show, and despite some awful writing, and a clear attempt of shoving PC in your face.....It is somewhat of a minor miracle that we have a SG show to begin with....And not only that, but for it to run for potentially 4 seasons.

I almost feel like the whining brat in the back seat of a car, screaming This sucks that Sucks and you suck! And the driver simply replies if you don't shut up, we'll turn around.

So....i'll shut up.....for now ,)
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19 Apr 2018 05:54 #59188 by algae2k
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This show changed... a lot... with the switch from CBS to CW, including its writing and audience. Every once in awhile there's an well-rounded episode that doesn't preach. Isn't okay to want to have _some_ escapism within arts and media?
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19 Apr 2018 10:31 - 19 Apr 2018 10:33 #59192 by kikass2014
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This show changed... a lot... with the switch from CBS to CW


Agree. All the shows on CW preach the same message, and their audience is certainly specific.

Isn't okay to want to have _some_ escapism within arts and media?


This 100%. There is a time and place for everything. Supergirl (or any comic book show), isn't really the place to shove politics, gender or race issues in the face of people. It should be about adventure, heroism, good triumphing against odds. You know, things that are gender NEUTRAL, politically NEUTRAL, race NEUTRAL.

Instead, especially on the CW, these shows are (not always, but occasionally, more so on Supergirl) silly propaganda. Not even that well written propaganda tbh.

You're never going to get away from messages in media/art. However, with regards to authors and messages in their works, art and media, imo, is at its best when it "asks the question, but doesn't provide an answer". This lets the audience decide FOR THEMSELVES what to make of it. It makes for a far more engaging experience for the viewer tbh.

And to answer the question about should we just be happy that we get a Supergirl show every week and move on? No. As an audience, we have the right to demand better. And that is what I want from my Supergirl show. Otherwise, I can just go back to reading and writing my own fan fiction.

Most of the time, the "Supergirl" show, is Supergirl in name only anyway (and a pretty girl standing in a Supergirl outfit). The most consistent its been in being a show about her was the run before their took their hiatus this season.

They should get back to that and leave their ideological bs at the door.

Peace.

/K
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19 Apr 2018 13:26 #59195 by Markiehoe
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1: Supergirl is barely in this episode.
2: She is easily trapped by a D level sidekick
3: She is rescued by a male hero
4: When Mon- el wants to talk about what is going on she embarrasses herself by bringing up their personal relationship first.

How does this fit in a "Female Empowerment" series?

The Dementia sub plot was important to the story setting up future episodes.

The "Black in America" was shoehorned into the episode and made no sense.

I am all in for "Escapist Entertainment."
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19 Apr 2018 19:42 #59197 by shadar
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I think one of the issues we are facing is that as we go from Millennials to Gen Z (which follows them) is that they are increasingly more integrated between social media, social causes, culture, work and entertainment. They don't tend to separate things into buckets as cleanly as many of us do.

It comes from being immersed in a cyber world from birth, and that world has no boundaries. The distinction between politics and work and entertainment and culture doesn't exist.

So the idea of "escapist fiction" (which I dearly love) doesn't make sense to a lot of them. Everything is integrated. Everything is always on. Why would they want to unplug or escape it? So as a result, they are happy seeing social and cultural references that they agree with filling everything in sight.

Not my style, but who am I to judge?

Maybe they're the solution.

Gen-Z's are the most globalist generation yet. I was reading an article that was written after a poll and some research that showed that American Gen-Z kids feel more connected culturally with people from other countries than they do the adults in their own country. That was a kick in the head. We older Americans are the foreigners, the aliens, in their world-view?

Some of that is also true among later Millennials as well. And we see it strongly among the under 30's in Britain too, as most of them are horrified about Brexit and its supporters.

That thinking will certain infuse entertainment that is focused on those age groups. CW understands this. They really don't care what we think.

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19 Apr 2018 22:40 #59198 by kikass2014
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The main problem with millenials and Gen Z is that they, like you say Shadar, are a) plugged in to social media all the time; and be globalist in world view. This to me makes them easier to herd like sheep.

Which is what is happening.

Thus you have the mainstream media pushing out messages on gender and race, saying, ostensibly, that it doesn't matter what you are. Everyone is the same.

What does that remind you of? I'm a Brit, but surely as an American, that must remind you of communism?

And that is, imo, the world we are heading to, with millenials in charge who want this, and Gen Z who are too ignorant and lazy to know better.

In Britain, a lot of the under 30s are veering towards Corbyn (leader of our socialist party). Why is this bad? Because his policies will turn Britain into Venezuela!

Tell me, is that a good path to we should be on? I don't think so.

I totally agree, the CW doesn't care what we think. Of course they don't, they're run, like most mainstream media, by millenials or those that want to push that agenda.

So if an opportunity arises where one can speak up against it, one should take it.

I don't want to live in a socialist world, but that is the one we will get if Millenials and Gen Z have their way.

So the question is, do you? (not just you specifically Shadar)

Peace.

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19 Apr 2018 23:31 #59201 by shadar
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kikass2014 wrote: The main problem with millenials and Gen Z is that they, like you say Shadar, are a) plugged in to social media all the time; and be globalist in world view. This to me makes them easier to herd like sheep.

Which is what is happening.

Thus you have the mainstream media pushing out messages on gender and race, saying, ostensibly, that it doesn't matter what you are. Everyone is the same.

What does that remind you of? I'm a Brit, but surely as an American, that must remind you of communism?

And that is, imo, the world we are heading to, with millenials in charge who want this, and Gen Z who are too ignorant and lazy to know better.

In Britain, a lot of the under 30s are veering towards Corbyn (leader of our socialist party). Why is this bad? Because his policies will turn Britain into Venezuela!

Tell me, is that a good path to we should be on? I don't think so.

I totally agree, the CW doesn't care what we think. Of course they don't, they're run, like most mainstream media, by millenials or those that want to push that agenda.

So if an opportunity arises where one can speak up against it, one should take it.

I don't want to live in a socialist world, but that is the one we will get if Millenials and Gen Z have their way.

So the question is, do you? (not just you specifically Shadar)

Peace.

/K


Living in progressive democracies like Sweden or Denmark or Norway? That would be great. I've done business in Sweden and it was a good place to get things done. They have a good combination of private enterprise coupled to a tax structure that redistributes wealth to help level the playing field. That and provide a social welfare system that covers everyone. People pay a lot but get a lot in return.

This has nothing to do with communism or even classical socialism, despite claims by some right wingers. This is essentially what Bernie Sanders advocated, and it holds immense appeal among young people. Redistribution of wealth through taxation is a key.

I'm an old guy who made a bunch of money in a largely uncontrolled form of capitalism (Tech industry in early years) with low taxation. But that's the past, and not one I'm particularly proud of.

There is a lot to be said for a generation or two coming along who share the idea that everyone can and should work together and live together, regardless of what their citizenship papers say, and establish a basis of appropriate behavior and expression so as to invite everyone to participate and offend no one. Political Correctness, up to a significant point, is a very good thing. The trick is to include everyone and reduce income inequality to more reasonable levels (ala Norway).

Look at SWM... we're international and we are very much politically correct here by not attacking others or excluding anyone. By embracing everyone who wants to hang out with us. In fact, if we stray off too far into politics in this thread, which we probably are in danger of doing, it will get closed for the purpose of ensuring harmony. I'm OK with that.

I spent a number of years fighting communism, and want nothing to do with that.

The trick is supporting the idea of shared thinking and online connectivity and inclusiveness (gender, race, religion - or no religion- all being equal) along with consensus decision making, not in words but in deeds, social justice for all. This is a cultural shift which ultimately drives political beliefs that support that culture.

I was involved in trying to change the culture back in the 60's, and we did it to some degree, especially we early Boomers who were more idealogical than the ones who came later, but hopefully the young people today will do it a lot better than we did. I always have hope.

Shadar
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