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20 Apr 2016 06:41 #47374 by TwiceOnThursdays
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Separate from the breathing issue is also the "flying in space issue". Superman could always fly in space, even when he needed life support.

I'm just going to ignore that and say she can fly in space, but not breathe. The huge exertion of lifting the fort burned up all her oxygen and she passed out.

And none of the comments on Superman being out in space say he didn't use some kind of ship. No suit to return, once inside the atmosphere, he set his ship on autopilot and flew into battle. (He might be faster than his ship in the atmosphere, or jumped very close.)

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20 Apr 2016 17:06 #47377 by shadar
I couldn't make it through this episode. I tried, cringing, and I got to the 1/3rd mark, right up to the scene at the DEO where Kara visits Hank, who is handcuffed to his bed. Behind them we see Superman's boots and blue legs as he lays unconscious. Nobody pays any attention to Superman, nor why he seems to be the only person on Earth who is still affected by Myriad.

At that point, I lost it. Couldn't watch any more. Worst writing ever. Season 1 ended there for me. It was so awful. I no longer cared what they did in the rest of the show.

Never thought I'd give up on this show, but I have, at least when it comes to Season 1.

If Season 2 fixes the terrible writing and direction, then I'll watch it. If not, and we get more of this kind of crap, then this series goes into my personal dustbin of comic book history.

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20 Apr 2016 20:32 #47381 by jdrock24

shadar wrote: I couldn't make it through this episode. I tried, cringing, and I got to the 1/3rd mark, right up to the scene at the DEO where Kara visits Hank, who is handcuffed to his bed. Behind them we see Superman's boots and blue legs as he lays unconscious. Nobody pays any attention to Superman, nor why he seems to be the only person on Earth who is still affected by Myriad.

At that point, I lost it. Couldn't watch any more. Worst writing ever. Season 1 ended there for me. It was so awful. I no longer cared what they did in the rest of the show.

Shadar


That was my second cringe-worthy moment. Superman is literally lying there mere feet away and Kara doesn't say one word to him? Not even a "Don't worry Kal, I'll stop Non. You just recover, okay?"

You are lucky that you can just give it up. I screwed up and got my kids addicted to it so I'll probably be stuck watching all of Season 2 no matter how bad it is. I just pray that it gets better. At this point, it has to, right?

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20 Apr 2016 21:30 #47382 by castor

shadar wrote: I couldn't make it through this episode. I tried, cringing, and I got to the 1/3rd mark, right up to the scene at the DEO where Kara visits Hank, who is handcuffed to his bed. Behind them we see Superman's boots and blue legs as he lays unconscious. Nobody pays any attention to Superman, nor why he seems to be the only person on Earth who is still affected by Myriad.

At that point, I lost it. Couldn't watch any more. Worst writing ever. Season 1 ended there for me. It was so awful. I no longer cared what they did in the rest of the show.

Never thought I'd give up on this show, but I have, at least when it comes to Season 1.

If Season 2 fixes the terrible writing and direction, then I'll watch it. If not, and we get more of this kind of crap, then this series goes into my personal dustbin of comic book history.

Shadar


i would kinda suggest you finish it up...

but...

the main issue was this episode was really uneven. Some of the character stuff was good. They have established a fair number of intresting characters and its attempts to kinda pay them off work well. The Alex scenes had fun, the Winn stuff did an okay job, the stuff with cat felt a good send off to the "Young woman in the big city subplot"

i will say the rommance stuff was well done in a kinda of effecting way of someone who thinks there going to die and doesn't want to go out on it. I just wish i cared a little bit more about James as a character.

It ended with what i will say this- a kinda cool action sequence including a suprisingly violent scene for the show, and the fort Roz stuff was the first time ever you really got a giant sence of power in a good special effect. After bitiching all years about the technical issues and the fights-in the final one-it delivered.

But overall yeah.

And it struck me what to compare it to-the pilot. The pilot felt a rushed kinda silly at times attempt to get Kara from one place to another and make sure there was a bad guy in it. I think everyone said at the time-well you know it would be better if there was like a second hour. This could have used it, to cleanup the myriad scene in a way that wasn't just a speach(and i think the speach itself was you know-i am not saying i think they wrote the speach then the reast of the season around it. but if they did it wouldn't suprise me), and in general keep the plot just not feeling at times to quick and to slow.

Which i guess is how i felt a lot about so much of the episodes. Like i said last week 1 out of 4 feel like the best show on televsision. 1 out of 4 are utter crap. and this wasn't that...but yeah. hope they figure stuff out more, and not just you know who the next villian is, or what the next major plotline is-you need to work a little on the DNA here.

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21 Apr 2016 05:20 #47391 by shadar

castor wrote:

shadar wrote: I couldn't make it through this episode. I tried, cringing, and I got to the 1/3rd mark, right up to the scene at the DEO where Kara visits Hank, who is handcuffed to his bed. Behind them we see Superman's boots and blue legs as he lays unconscious. Nobody pays any attention to Superman, nor why he seems to be the only person on Earth who is still affected by Myriad.

At that point, I lost it. Couldn't watch any more. Worst writing ever. Season 1 ended there for me. It was so awful. I no longer cared what they did in the rest of the show.

Never thought I'd give up on this show, but I have, at least when it comes to Season 1.

If Season 2 fixes the terrible writing and direction, then I'll watch it. If not, and we get more of this kind of crap, then this series goes into my personal dustbin of comic book history.

Shadar


i would kinda suggest you finish it up...

but...

the main issue was this episode was really uneven. Some of the character stuff was good. They have established a fair number of intresting characters and its attempts to kinda pay them off work well. The Alex scenes had fun, the Winn stuff did an okay job, the stuff with cat felt a good send off to the "Young woman in the big city subplot"

i will say the rommance stuff was well done in a kinda of effecting way of someone who thinks there going to die and doesn't want to go out on it. I just wish i cared a little bit more about James as a character.

It ended with what i will say this- a kinda cool action sequence including a suprisingly violent scene for the show, and the fort Roz stuff was the first time ever you really got a giant sence of power in a good special effect. After bitiching all years about the technical issues and the fights-in the final one-it delivered.

But overall yeah.

And it struck me what to compare it to-the pilot. The pilot felt a rushed kinda silly at times attempt to get Kara from one place to another and make sure there was a bad guy in it. I think everyone said at the time-well you know it would be better if there was like a second hour. This could have used it, to cleanup the myriad scene in a way that wasn't just a speach(and i think the speach itself was you know-i am not saying i think they wrote the speach then the reast of the season around it. but if they did it wouldn't suprise me), and in general keep the plot just not feeling at times to quick and to slow.

Which i guess is how i felt a lot about so much of the episodes. Like i said last week 1 out of 4 feel like the best show on televsision. 1 out of 4 are utter crap. and this wasn't that...but yeah. hope they figure stuff out more, and not just you know who the next villian is, or what the next major plotline is-you need to work a little on the DNA here.


I took your advice, Castor. I watched the rest of it.

I'm not sure if it was the two days I had to think about it, or more likely a few tokes to adjust my mindset, but I kinda got into the second half of the show. Sure, there was the lifting a million tons thing (again!) but this time (unlike the key) she looked as if she was really struggling. Much better. And as others have said, there was the 'pass out in space thing' and Alex suddenly able to fly a Kryptonian pod-ship.

I didn't let that bother me. I let go of all my concepts of what SG is about (or should be, in my opinion) and just soaked up the particular flavor of SG the show was portraying. If you ignore the details, this episode works as a season ender, and a segue into a slightly different portrayal of Kara/SG in Season 2.

Lots of interesting hooks left behind. The job she's going to invent for herself and relationship with Cat. The renewed DEO with Hank. The romance with James, which sounds like its developing some legs. Helen Slater's greater involvement in the show and the search for their dad. Oh... and the pod occupant.

No way its Streaky (as fun as that would be). I don't know if Melissa was privy to what is in the pod when they filmed that scene, so I don't want to read too much into her expression. But if I did, her look suggests there is a much younger person in the pod. Not sure why, but that's the vibe I got. But as I said, it might not mean anything if Melissa was just told to look surprised without knowing why. Joys of ending a season with some uncertainty about where Season 2 was going, or so has been reported.

Who do I want it to be? Her equivalent from the other Krypton. Kara Zor'l. Karen Starr/PG, of course.

More likely though it'll be the young Kal'L from that same world. That puts a male Kryptonian into the show without infringing on Superman. Superboy or whatever. Someone very handsome with a unique and interesting personality that appeals to young women. (Although some would call that fan service.)

So anyway, I'm back among the ranks of those who enjoy the show. I just have to adjust my attitude first. Today was 420. What can I say.

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13 May 2016 05:15 #47808 by ArgentDragon
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I've been rather busy the past few weeks, so I only recently got a chance to sit down and finish Season 1 off.

In my opinion...it was a decent first season. Not perfect, but certainly better than, say, Season 1 of Arrow. Long term stoylines were set up, the cast got more comfortable in their roles, the writers got better in developing the characters. So, I'm pleased and cautiously optimistic for Season 2 on the CW.

Now I know Streaky, Krypto, and Kara Zor-L are the popular choices for who's in the pod. I have another theory...

Brainiac 5

We know that the Brainiac computer system originated on Krypton, here. And we have Indigo as an evil Brainiac. It's entirely possible that Brainiac 5 was created as a way to preserve all of Krypton's knowledge. It also opens up the possibility of a love triangle between Kara/Jimmy/Brainy, which helps keep the romantic tension in the series going.

On the Kara Zor-L possibility, there's rumors going around that Power Girl will be appearing on Earth 2 at some point, possibly gearing thins up for an Earth 2 series?

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19 May 2016 20:02 #48006 by d_k_c
For every mistake they make on this show, I can forgive. Different writers have different ideas, those ideas will eventually come into conflict with one another and there by contradict previous episodes. But, not being able to Survive in space? wtf? Every movie we've ever seen of Superman has him in space....And the explanation that Super girl can't generate thrust in space? We've got some imaginative people here, so using your wildest imagination, can someone explain to me how gravity generates thrust?

Look, i'm going to end up watching this show no matter what..But...If I had a chance to pass on a message to the writers of the show it would be a short one

"Try harder"

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19 May 2016 20:25 #48007 by shadar

d_k_c wrote: For every mistake they make on this show, I can forgive. Different writers have different ideas, those ideas will eventually come into conflict with one another and there by contradict previous episodes. But, not being able to Survive in space? wtf? Every movie we've ever seen of Superman has him in space....And the explanation that Super girl can't generate thrust in space? We've got some imaginative people here, so using your wildest imagination, can someone explain to me how gravity generates thrust?

Look, i'm going to end up watching this show no matter what..But...If I had a chance to pass on a message to the writers of the show it would be a short one

"Try harder"


Yeah, that "can't survive" and "can't generate thrust in space" thing was horrific. Says the writers don't have any concept of the most basic forms of superhero physics, let along real physics.

Clearly someone came up with the need to have her fall and crash and be rescued (which is kind of OK for this show), but they didn't put enough time in to come up with a plausible way to do it. Idiots.

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20 May 2016 00:06 #48011 by Brad2
I disagree that its "kindof OK" that they took away her ability to breathe in space so someone would have to rescue her. Nerfing her powers and having her be unable to save the day on her own are two of the WORST aspects BY FAR of the show for me.

To put it another way: Kreisberg: When Supergirl has to be rescued by others twice in the same episode (and especially a season finale), that means, contrary to what you said in your interview, she MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT prove that she was a capable heroine and could save the world and all that.

Right now, if I were mayor of a city, I would trust the shark from the movie "Jaws" as the protector before I'd trust Supergirl. Of course, that idiot Kreisberg probably thinks Jaws 2-4 are timeless classics like Jaws 1 was. "More must be better", which is why season 2 has 22 episodes when it should have 10-15 at most.

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20 May 2016 00:42 #48012 by pansardum

Brad2 wrote: I disagree that its "kindof OK" that they took away her ability to breathe in space so someone would have to rescue her. Nerfing her powers and having her be unable to save the day on her own are two of the WORST aspects BY FAR of the show for me.

To put it another way: Kreisberg: When Supergirl has to be rescued by others twice in the same episode (and especially a season finale), that means, contrary to what you said in your interview, she MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT prove that she was a capable heroine and could save the world and all that.

Right now, if I were mayor of a city, I would trust the shark from the movie "Jaws" as the protector before I'd trust Supergirl. Of course, that idiot Kreisberg probably thinks Jaws 2-4 are timeless classics like Jaws 1 was. "More must be better", which is why season 2 has 22 episodes when it should have 10-15 at most.


I think you are a bit hard on her... As I saw it she did save the world by sacrificing herself. I mean they set it up so she could do the ultimate sacrifice. But I had some problems to really be in suspense for what felt like 2 seconds she floated in space.

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20 May 2016 00:44 #48013 by shadar

Brad2 wrote: I disagree that its "kindof OK" that they took away her ability to breathe in space so someone would have to rescue her. Nerfing her powers and having her be unable to save the day on her own are two of the WORST aspects BY FAR of the show for me.

To put it another way: Kreisberg: When Supergirl has to be rescued by others twice in the same episode (and especially a season finale), that means, contrary to what you said in your interview, she MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT prove that she was a capable heroine and could save the world and all that.

Right now, if I were mayor of a city, I would trust the shark from the movie "Jaws" as the protector before I'd trust Supergirl. Of course, that idiot Kreisberg probably thinks Jaws 2-4 are timeless classics like Jaws 1 was. "More must be better", which is why season 2 has 22 episodes when it should have 10-15 at most.


I wasn't trying to say it was OK to make her normally vulnerable and flightless in space. That was unforgivable. What I meant was that it was OK to have some drama regarding tossing Ft. Rozz into space. Perhaps an explosion that knocks her out or a blast of Green-K powder is used as weapon against her while in space. Something plausible in the DC universe.

In other words, it was OK to have the "Kara has to be saved by her sister again" scene (to make Alexa heroic again). It wasn't OK how the did it.

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20 May 2016 01:32 #48015 by Brad2
I disagree that 'it was OK to have the "Kara has to be saved by her sister again" scene'. On many episodes, we see Supergirl saved by others (on episodes 2 and 12 with Alex, for instance), and on most we see either Alex or Hank telling Supergirl what to do to be a good heroine. I've seen only two where Supergirl was able to win by herself when she was working with Hank or Alex. This is where my comments about wanting to see a more competent Supergirl come from.

Why does Alex have to be heroic in each episode? She's not the main character. There were plenty of episodes where Supergirl isn't seen as heroic or competent. Alex doesn't have to be in each episode either.

As for them presenting it as Supergirl's ultimate sacrifice, the fact that she was so willing to sacrifice her life without looking for a better solution (such as using a slingshot maneuver that astronauts use to gain velocity, for instance) suggests either a lack of imagination or a disturbingly suicidal impulse on the heroine's part. Neither are qualities that I can respect, especially not when the character is held up as role model for kids.

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20 May 2016 04:24 #48021 by shadar

Brad2 wrote: I disagree that 'it was OK to have the "Kara has to be saved by her sister again" scene'. On many episodes, we see Supergirl saved by others (on episodes 2 and 12 with Alex, for instance), and on most we see either Alex or Hank telling Supergirl what to do to be a good heroine. I've seen only two where Supergirl was able to win by herself when she was working with Hank or Alex. This is where my comments about wanting to see a more competent Supergirl come from.

Why does Alex have to be heroic in each episode? She's not the main character. There were plenty of episodes where Supergirl isn't seen as heroic or competent. Alex doesn't have to be in each episode either.

As for them presenting it as Supergirl's ultimate sacrifice, the fact that she was so willing to sacrifice her life without looking for a better solution (such as using a slingshot maneuver that astronauts use to gain velocity, for instance) suggests either a lack of imagination or a disturbingly suicidal impulse on the heroine's part. Neither are qualities that I can respect, especially not when the character is held up as role model for kids.


I think we vehemently agree on one thing -- the writing damn well better improve. A lot.

The writers lack a leader who is committed enough to the mythos, or empowered enough to keep the writers in line. But these producers are big girls and boys. They clearly decided to give their writers a very big room to work in. And it isn't working. Either change the writers or put someone in charge that knows something about the mythos.

Most fans don't mind bending the mythos a bit, but to act as if it doesn't even exist, or not to care, is just wrong.

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20 May 2016 10:18 - 20 May 2016 10:21 #48027 by Woodclaw

shadar wrote:

Brad2 wrote: I disagree that 'it was OK to have the "Kara has to be saved by her sister again" scene'. On many episodes, we see Supergirl saved by others (on episodes 2 and 12 with Alex, for instance), and on most we see either Alex or Hank telling Supergirl what to do to be a good heroine. I've seen only two where Supergirl was able to win by herself when she was working with Hank or Alex. This is where my comments about wanting to see a more competent Supergirl come from.

Why does Alex have to be heroic in each episode? She's not the main character. There were plenty of episodes where Supergirl isn't seen as heroic or competent. Alex doesn't have to be in each episode either.

As for them presenting it as Supergirl's ultimate sacrifice, the fact that she was so willing to sacrifice her life without looking for a better solution (such as using a slingshot maneuver that astronauts use to gain velocity, for instance) suggests either a lack of imagination or a disturbingly suicidal impulse on the heroine's part. Neither are qualities that I can respect, especially not when the character is held up as role model for kids.


I think we vehemently agree on one thing -- the writing damn well better improve. A lot.

The writers lack a leader who is committed enough to the mythos, or empowered enough to keep the writers in line. But these producers are big girls and boys. They clearly decided to give their writers a very big room to work in. And it isn't working. Either change the writers or put someone in charge that knows something about the mythos.

Most fans don't mind bending the mythos a bit, but to act as if it doesn't even exist, or not to care, is just wrong.

Shadar


Just tossing in my two cents in saying that, while I agree that the writing need some polishing, I have to disagree on two basic premises.

First of all the mythos of Supergirl, I'm sorry to say isn't solid enough to build a TV show around, in my mind: from the lack of a proper rogue gallery to use, to a characterization that dwindled over the years in many different directions, she's a character that often lacked a defined identity in pop culture aside "being somewhat, somehow related to Superman".
Depending on the writer and the time period she has been many, many things: in her earlier appearences Kara was more or less, I'm sorry to say, a non-character, bending to the whim and the need of Superman based on the need of the current story, more or less like the early Robin was to Batman; later on she became a lonely girl, unable to connect with humanity; then a young ambitious woman moving some uneasy steps toward the future. After Crisis we had Matrix -- which I'm going to ignore -- and Linda (or Kara In-Ze if you go with the animated version) who was pretty much the punk sidekick; before Kara returned, now an ungodly powerful badass, cocksure and horribly overpowered; later she was soft-retconned into a more human character that went on trying to connect with her new home.
The issue here is that each writer, in my eyes, had one or two of these images in mind and tried to pour them into the TV show with various degree of success, explaining the dwindles in characterization and power level she went through.
The second point nad the pivotal element in this first season was that they tried to transition from Kara to Supergirl in a proper way. This season had an overabundance of mentor figures floating around Supergirl: Cat Grant, J'onn, Alex, even Jimmy in the pilot. All these characters were helping to shape Kara into something that she wasn't at the start: a proper Supergirl. Because even if she was good-intentioned at the start she didn't have the skill, nor the confidence or the perspective to be the hero people expected her to be.


My point is that they spent this first season to establish her, with various degree of success, now I want to see where are they going now. Now that Supergirl has a slightly clearer identity, I hope other elements will get consistent, or thing are going to tank, badly.

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20 May 2016 10:50 #48028 by Markiehoe
This is a case where one guy or gal in charge on top with vision and a team of writers can create something special.

Similar to what DC animation does.
Remember DC Animation created Harley Quinn.
Arguably the only breakout NEW character created by DC or Marvel in the last 25 years.

Since DC reboots every couple years anyway why not create your own Supergirl universe?
Create a show bible that spells out Supergirl's strengths and weaknesses.
You can bend those rules every now and then but stick to them.

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20 May 2016 14:11 #48031 by shadar
The issues on the mythos are simple ones and don't require inventing anything new. Despite all the incarnations and variations of Supergirl in the comics, there are some basic tenets of the Kryptonian-origin SG (so I'm not talking Mae or her derivative here) that have never changed:

1) She's bulletproof
2) She's invulnerable to extreme heat and cold, including hard vacuum and can fly and live in space for some period of time (if not forever)
3) She can fly using some kind of anti-gravity, forcefield thingy that does not involve thrust
4) She's extremely strong
5) She has enhanced vision and hearing
6) She can burn things with her eyes
7) Kryptonite is her weakness

There are other nuances, but this is the core of her abilities. Those have NEVER changed since the 1950's for a Kryptonian-based Supergirl. It is not a long or complicated list. Writers can bend these in various ways, or even make her package of abilities come and go, but not eliminate any of them if she's truly supposed to be Kryptonian.

This is not complicated and not hard. A comics origin character has to abide by the core tenets of their mythos, or else the writers need to create a new and unique character. The tenets of character leave a LOT of room for storytelling, so they really aren't hard to follow.

In the season ending episode, if they really HAD to have a final "Alex saves her sister" scene, then they should have had a part of Fort Rozz (reactor or whatever) explode in space to give off a burst of Kryptonite particles (which would be very plausible given its Kryptonian origin) that temporarily weakened her so Alex had to save her. Simple and consistent with mythos and no harder than what they actually wrote.

This is where they need someone among the writers who understands the simplest rules of the Kryptonian character they are supposed to be writing about.

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20 May 2016 14:58 #48033 by lfan

Brad2 wrote: I disagree that 'it was OK to have the "Kara has to be saved by her sister again" scene'. On many episodes, we see Supergirl saved by others (on episodes 2 and 12 with Alex, for instance), and on most we see either Alex or Hank telling Supergirl what to do to be a good heroine. I've seen only two where Supergirl was able to win by herself when she was working with Hank or Alex. This is where my comments about wanting to see a more competent Supergirl come from.

Why does Alex have to be heroic in each episode? She's not the main character. There were plenty of episodes where Supergirl isn't seen as heroic or competent. Alex doesn't have to be in each episode either.


I don't understand the big deal. Supergirl is not portrayed in this show (at least Season one) as "all-powerful" and "invincible". If that is/was the case, they are gonna run out of story ideas really fast! And while you want her to be more competent, she is far from incompetent. The premise of "Supergirl & Friends" was established early on with the "Stronger Together" episode and it was the resonating theme throughout the season. She was raw and NEEDED help to achieve her destiny. That is gonna come with having to be helped/saved a few times. It's not like she hasn't saved anyone. I don't see the incompetence thing shining through honestly as much as you say. If anything, they show her to be FAR more competent than her more experienced and revered cousin -- SHE was able to defeat Reactron when he never could (though she needed help from him at the beginning) and SHE wasn't simply zombie-fied by Myriad like he was.

As for Alex, another underlying theme is the relationship of big sister looking out for little sister, eventhough little sister can throw a tank into orbit and is bulletproof. Alex saving Kara (I think 3 times) is part of that "plan" and doesn't bother me all too much. It's not like Kara never saved Alex also (from plane in Pilot, Toyman's bomb, throwing Fort Rozz before it exploded) and is ALWAYS needing her help.

Brad2 wrote: As for them presenting it as Supergirl's ultimate sacrifice, the fact that she was so willing to sacrifice her life without looking for a better solution (such as using a slingshot maneuver that astronauts use to gain velocity, for instance) suggests either a lack of imagination or a disturbingly suicidal impulse on the heroine's part. Neither are qualities that I can respect, especially not when the character is held up as role model for kids.


Oh c'mon! The first thing you though of when she decided she might have to sacrifice herself was that she had "suicidal impulses"? Setting a good example and being a role model is showing bravery and courage in the face of danger. Being a good role model is trying to "do the right thing" sometimes when the right thing isn't the easiest (or smartest) method. The clock was ticking (although she DID seem rather chatty for that) and she had to do SOMETHING, so she chose to (possibly) sacrifice herself for the good of other. I think that's pretty "heroic" but that's just me, I guess......

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20 May 2016 23:16 #48041 by d_k_c
I'm going to agree with Shadar. But it's like I said, mostly everything in the show I can forgive. It's just when you damage future plot's by incorporating lazy writing is when I get concerned. Now, Supergirl and/or Supeman will need a space suit to travel in space. Nor can they fly into space without a jet pack? If Braniac decided to park a ship and launch projectiles from Earths orbit....What could Superman or Supergirl do about it? Remember, the show primarily deals with Aliens. Technology that's more advanced than our own and are capable of intergalactic travel. Don't get me wrong, i'm not discussing realism, this is a comic of course. But I'm irritated because you've taken about a million great story lines and thrown them into the trash cause guess what? Supergirl cant survive or fly in space......Ouch.

Again Shadar nailed it on the head, with having kryptonite being a factor....Or have Fort Roz explode and Supergirl is unconscious and floating back to earth. Could she survive re-entry into earth's atmosphere and the ensuing collision with earth while she's unconcious....Maybe, maybe not....Better go get her.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that writers group discussion. Cause I am pretty sure someone had to have spoken up and said....."Wait, i'm pretty sure Superman can fly in space"

I bet you that person was fired on the spot

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21 May 2016 01:30 #48043 by Brad2
First point: On the scene where Supergirl hurled the Fort Rozz station into space, I said suicidal or lack of imagination. As I've suggested, using a "slingshot maneuver" to gain some velocity while Supergirl was still in atmosphere (and able to breathe) might have allowed her to hurl the station into space WITHOUT risking her life in the process. Thus, her "heroic sacrifice" might not have been needed in that scenario. I'm not opposed to sacrifice, but she seemed to consider sacrifice as a first alternative, and not a last one. THAT is where the suicidal/lack of imagination comment comes from.

As for Supergirl being green, she seemed to do better in episodes 3-5 than she did in later episodes. If she just needed to gain experience, she should have been improving over the course of the season. She didn't. She even regressed at times (being able to beat Alex in green kryptonite conditions in episode 8, but not in episode 20, for instance).

As for them saving each other or Supergirl being competent, she drained her powers against Red Tornado (even though she could have used super breath to freeze him and immobilize him) at the end of that episode, she failed to see that Astra let herself get captured, she never asked about getting any kryptonite shielding for herself even after knowing that Astra had some, she let herself get exposed to kryptonite by Hank on the Martian Manhunter episode (she could have learned to stay out of range), she failed to take down Bizarro Girl, let herself get captured by the Jailer, needed Hank's advice on defusing Indigo's bomb, forgot how to take down Livewire, wasn't able to talk down or beat Alex (on episode 20), and needed to be saved by Alex when destroying Fort Rozz.

I'm not saying Supergirl should be all powerful, but it does seem like she got her ass kicked a lot despite being able, on occasion (such as Toyman or Livewire) to come up with brilliant ideas, even by herself.

Oh, and this is very relevant to season 2. What would Supergirl do if Hank or Alex weren't around or one or both of them turned on or deserted her? If they are hunting for Jeremiah Danvers, there might be long periods when Supergirl has to manage without them.

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21 May 2016 02:46 #48044 by Brad2
As for the whole "sisters" relationship, this is again problematic. Sure, I get that Alex wants to protect younger sister Kara. This is partly out of caring, and partly to keep their mom off her back.

Then again, Kara turning into Supergirl, using her powers, saving others, and working with the DEO has to be a MAJOR change for Alex, as well. Suddenly, her world is invaded by someone who has great powers, and who she grew up with. The prospect of jealousy was mentioned in episode 1, but not mentioned again until episode 16. Both times, Kara brings it up.

The show seems to treat Alex as this professional robot who does as she's told: Her mom says to keep her sister safe, so she does, and Hank says to fight against alien threats (such as the Fort Rozz escapees), so she does. There are exceptions, but usually one of these two orders seems to motivate Alex. She completely buries the jealousy.

This is interesting, because one would think that Alex would want to not have to protect her sister. After all, Kara has super powers, and Alex doesn't. Also, their mom isn't around, so she doesn't have to know. If it weren't for how they wrote the character, I could see Alex "testing" Kara by sending her into dangerous situations to see how she does. Then, when confronted, she reviews the situation with Kara and offers her tips on how to get better (and masks her envy). Given how Supergirl is written, I'm not even sure she'd be smart enough to tell that Alex was testing her unless the latter told the former to her face.

As for Supergirl being more competent than Superman, this isn't true. Again, Supergirl needs help to save the day, while Superman can do so alone. This point goes to the man of steel. In terms of saves, Superman saved Supergirl from Reactron on episode 3 (though he didn't defeat Reactron), and someone other than Supergirl brought him to the DEO hospital on episode 19 or 20. See, I think in terms of up close and personal saves, not "Supergirl saved the city, and by extension Superman or Alex or Hank" (this wouldn't work anyway, I'm not sure if Alex or Hank live in National City, so saving it might not save them).

The central problem of the show is that far too much attention is focused on Hank or Alex being heroic (Hank's "heroism" in episode 20 was him killing Indigo, and he was reluctant to use his powers for violence in the past, so this isn't exactly a slam dunk, either), and not on Supergirl being heroic. They seem to think that her having powers and assume the role of protector is enough. It isn't. She needs to get smarter in how she goes about protecting others.

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